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Portuguese media reaction to Cipriano verdict

Post  bb1 on Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:00 pm

http://expresso.sapo.pt/torturada-por-policias-quem-vai-cumprir-pena-e-ela-uma-historia-portuguesa=f798398#ixzz2PpaN99Un

Tortured by police, she serves time (a Portuguese history)

Luis M. Faria
11:24 Friday, April 5, 2013

A woman is tortured by police to confess to a crime. confesses and is sentenced (how reliable confession in these circumstances?), but complains of torture.

The police go to court. On more than one case, the court considers proven torture. But he says the woman lied in some detail. had or not a bag stuffed in the head when you hit with a cardboard tube? The IIC was in the adjacent room or hallway? The doctor at the time you saw only the face or the whole body? In different times, the woman presented different versions on these aspects.

Because of the differences, perhaps more important than the fact that someone torture a facility of the Portuguese police , the woman is sentenced to seven months in prison. The court acknowledges that she was tortured, but it is worth applying for misrepresentation. expressly disclaims And replace it with fine since, as stated in the judgment, the defendant has a history , committed a very serious crime (infanticide) vai in the eighth year of enforcement of a sentence, and even that "was enough to ward off the route delitivo," as the sentence says, "continuing to show no respect for EU rules and personality averse due to be legal."

The torturers, these (ie, those who were condemned because some were not identified), got away with a suspended sentence . And popular opinion agrees, because there is no forgiveness for what the woman did. A legal test blameless, of course.

All this can be justified, or at least justifiable, the formal point of view. conclusion But that will take a lot of people about democracy in which he lives, to find that in a case of police torture, more process less process, the only person who will actually serving a sentence of imprisonment is the person who was tortured?




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Re: Portuguese media reaction to Cipriano verdict

Post  Pedro Silva on Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:26 pm

My friends, with all do respect, here it is the accurate translation:

My friends, this was taken from Expresso newspaper:

http://expresso.sapo.pt/torturada-por-policias-quem-vai-cumprir-pena-e-ela-uma-historia-portuguesa=f798398#ixzz2PpaN99Un

Tortured by police, she serves time (a Portuguese history)

A woman is tortured by police to confess to a crime. Confesses, and is sentenced (how reliable confession under these circumstances?), But complains of torture.

The cops are going to court. In more than one case, the court considers proven torture. But he says the woman lied in some detail. Or not he had a bag stuck on his head when he was hit with a cardboard tube? The inspector in charge was in the adjacent room or hallway? The doctor at the time you saw only the face or the whole body? At various times, the woman presented different versions on these aspects.

Because of the differences, perhaps more important than the fact that someone suffers torture in the facilities of Portuguese police, the woman is sentenced to seven months in prison. The court acknowledges that she was tortured, but it is worth applying for misrepresentation. And expressly disclaims replace it with a fine, given that, as regards the sentence, the defendant has a history, has committed a very serious crime (infanticide), with the eighth year of execution of sentence, and even that "was enough to ward off the route delinquents, "as the sentence," continuing to show no respect for Community rules and averse personality should be 'legal'.

The torturers, these (those who were convicted because some were not identified), got away with a suspended sentence. And popular opinion agrees, because there is no forgiveness for what the woman did. The legal criterion blameless, obviously.

All this can be justified, or at least justifiable, the formal point of view. But what conclusion will draw a lot of people about democracy in which they live, to see that in a case of police torture, more process less process, the only person who will actually serve time in prison is the person who was tortured?
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Re: Portuguese media reaction to Cipriano verdict

Post  bb1 on Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:36 pm

Thank you, Pedro.

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Re: Portuguese media reaction to Cipriano verdict

Post  Pedro Silva on Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:43 pm

you welcome bb1.
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Re: Portuguese media reaction to Cipriano verdict

Post  bb1 on Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:51 am

Just a reminder of Leonor Cipriano's injuries while in police custody:

http://www.zimbio.com/Politica+-+Portugal/articles/3278158/Physician+saw+Leonor+Cipriano+says+no+injuries

Physician who saw Leonor Cipriano says no injuries were caused by falling on the stairs

04.11.2008 - 16:15 Lusa
The doctor's arrest of Sturgis admitted today in the Court of Faro have seen the 18 October 2004 Leonor Cipriano with multiple lesions on the face, chest, back, arms and knees and that the injuries were not the result of a fall on the stairs.
Irene Posalaky, medical psychiatrist and general practitioner, was the fifth witness heard in the case of attacks on Leonor Cipriano, and the third session of the trial, which started this morning, said he met the assistant to the proceedings of the 18th of October 2004 and at the time, had several injuries.
"Eyes red and swollen," "left eye closed," "superficial lesions in the abdomen", "large bruises on the back and chest," "right arm with edema", "could not talk" and "cuts in both knees surface, but symmetrical "are some of the injuries that the doctor listed today in the trial.
According Posalaky Irene, who said not to be "expert in forensic medicine," most of the injuries that Leonor had in the body have been made with "objects and not cutting plans," because covering large areas.
When questioned by the lawyer for Leonor Ciprinao, the doctor added that at least the wounds in the knees - classified as symmetrical surface but the specialist - "never" could have been the result of a fall on stairs.
Defense lawyers, in turn, asked for the doctor's arrest of Kotri explaining why only asked for an X-ray knees past 11 days from the 18th of October 2004, day when "not found it necessary to" ask that medical examination.

The doctor said simply that the wounds were superficial at the time and never found a need.
The lawyer of the accused Gonçalo Amaral, Antonio Cabrita, Irene Posalaky still asked "who is discriminated had commissioned the report and photographic support," the doctor replied that he had been on his "own free will" prepare the report after months of alleged assaults.
"I realized that the case would have a major impact media and decided to order all information," explained the court of jury, consisting of three judges and four jurors of law in civil society.
The lawyer for Leonor Cipriano, Mark Aragon, admitted today the agency Lusa have tried an agreement with Randfontein Colaço lawyer, a representative of four of the five defendants in the case, ask for a suspended sentence for the four defendants, "since they [the four ] To confess that the torture of Leonor Cipriano told Gonçalo Amaral. "
"Dr. Randfontein Colaço touched on information that Dr. Christopher Paul [one of the accused] then confessed to a friend of the Judiciary that there had been torture to Leonor Cipriano four days before the confession," he said.
The Lusa Randfontein Colaço confronted with this attempt to agree, but the cause list was categorical: "We do not confirm nor deny. I do not want to have trouble," he said, adding however that if Marcos Aragon authorize the "writing" that talk about the subject.
This process of the alleged assaults on Leonor Cipriano by inspectors of PJ is related to the "Joan case, which dates back to September 12, 2004, day when the girl of eight years, disappeared from the village of Figueira, Portimao, Algarve .

The mother, Leonor Cipriano, and uncle, John Cipriano (both brothers) are sentenced by the Supreme Court to 16 years in prison each, for crimes of murder and concealment of the child's corpse.
The public prosecutor's accusations against the inspectors of the Judicial emerged following the interrogation of PJ in Faro.
Three inspectors are accused of crime of torture, one is accused of failing to provide aid and failure to report and a fifth is accused of forgery of documents.

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Case of Joana: "Something happened, but that girl was not killed at home"

Post  Max on Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:30 pm



https://www.noticiasaominuto.com/pais/860930/caso-joana-algo-aconteceu-mas-aquela-miuda-nao-foi-morta-em-casa


Case of Joana: "Something happened, but that girl was not killed at home"


Thirteen years later, the mystery surrounding the disappearance of little Joana, in the village of Figueira, remains. The News to the Minute spoke to two neighbors of the Cipriano family and the child's stepfather, testimonies that help rebuild a case that left deep marks on those who lived it closely.


The day of September 12, 2004 will hardly be erased from the national memory, particularly from the inhabitants of Figueira village, in the municipality of Portimão.

Today marks 13 years since that fateful Sunday, when Joana Cipriano disappeared at the age of eight, around 9:00 pm, after going shopping for a coffee near her house.

After these 13 years, a lot of ink ran on what really happened that night, in court, in the coffee talks, in the media. It was assumed that Joana might have been sold, or at least that was the original intention. It was also assumed that she might have been kidnapped.

The truth is that the body never came to appear.

However, her mother, Leonor Cipriano, and her uncle, João Cipriano, would admit to having killed Joana. There is a thesis that the body was cut and fed to the pigs. There is a suspicion that Joana has caught her mother and uncle having sex and that she has been killed because of it.

Leonor and João Cipriano were sentenced to 16 years and eight months in prison for homicide and concealment in 2006. In November of the previous year, they had been sentenced to 20 years and four months and 19 years and two months in prison, respectively, but penalty was eventually reduced.

Today, in the village of Figueira, although the case is closed by Justice, doubts and contradictions about what will have actually happened that night persist.

Ophelia Zeverino, who at the time was working in a café near Joana's house, was the last person to see the child before her disappearance. To the News to the Minute, says that, in the night of 12 of September of 2004, the small Joana went to its establishment to buy "a package of milk and two cans of conserved".

The only thing strange, then, was that the girl did not ask about her daughter, something she always did - besides going to the same school, in the same class, they were friends and they played together regularly. Later, Joana's stepfather, Leandro Silva, accompanied by another friend appeared at the café.

Leandro, then the companion of Leonor Cipriano, says that on the night of his disappearance he was not at home, but in Portimão. She left home at noon and only returned shortly after 9:00 pm, after Joana disappeared. I heard about the case through João Cipriano, a presence he says was unusual at home.

The enigmatic presence of João Cipriano

According to Leandro Silva, Joana's uncle had never been to Figueira to visit his family. In fact, he himself states that he does not know "even how he discovered the door". "It was the first time he [João Cipriano] appeared there at home. I do not even know how. Suddenly he appeared to me on Saturday at about 05:00 in the morning. That night I even slept on the sofa. " From Leonor Cipriano, he says, he never got any justification for the sudden appearance of his brother.

Júlia, fictitious name, neighbor of Leonor Cipriano, reiterates that, before the case, had never seen the uncle of Joan. "I just remember seeing him in the paper. I'd never seen him around, never heard of him. I only recognized him after starting to see him in newspapers and magazines, "he says.

Different version has Ofélia Zeverino, also she lives in the same street, that counts to have seen João Cipriano "five or six times" in the coffee, including to "drink a beer" with Leandro. "[João Cipriano] came here often, at lunchtime, to drink coffee with his sister. One thing that struck me in court statements was that Leandro stated that his brother-in-law never came here. More than five or six times I saw Joao and his sister. I came to see them [Leandro and João] together, to drink a beer. "

At the trial, João Cipriano confessed to the crime. At the time, he admitted having beaten and murdered the child. Then, according to his version, he cut it and, with the complicity of Leonor Cipriano, hid the body, which was later fed to the pigs.

Following this version, the reason that caused the uncle and the mother to kill Joana remains quite confused. Leonor Cipriano even admitted that at the origin of the crime was a failed attempt to sell her daughter to a childless couple, who would take her abroad. The proposal, as she herself stated, was based on her brother. However, the plan would have gone badly and Joanna would have found out, so the two brothers eventually killed her so she would not tell what happened. Another version conveyed was that the child will have caught mother and uncle having sex.

"Joana never complained about anything"

In Figueira, Joana Cipriano is remembered as a child "super sweet and calm", "a girl very oriented, calm, super educated". They say she "had conversations that looked like an adult."

Julia says that one day, at the request of Leonor Cipriano, who did not have that day to go to Portimão, she took little Joana to the dentist. Then they passed a hypermarket, back to school, and Joana said she still had no backpack. Júlia decided to offer her the pack immediately, despite the child's refusal, which eventually gave in and accepted her. "After giving her the backpack, she grabbed me and gave me two kisses and thanked her," she says.

Like Júlia's son, Joana had a habit of playing regularly with Ophelia Zeverino's daughter, who came several times to pick her up at school. The three friends lunched together, and none of these mothers ever suspected that Joana was in trouble or in any danger.

But after all this time, the way Ophelia looks back gains another dimension. "Now, after what has happened, I begin to realize that it conveyed any sadness. Maybe a girl for fear of something, "she confides. However, he maintains the idea that the Cipriano family had no financial problems since they even used to spend some money on their coffee. "Economic difficulties? I think not. Joana never complained about anything. "

The same thesis is defended by Leandro Silva, who guarantees that "there was never anything lacking at home". When she began to take care of Joana, the girl was only three. The relationship with Leonor Cipriano, native of the Alentejo, began in 1999. They met in Silves, lived in Porches, parish of the county of Lagoa, and eventually reached Figueira, since Leandro's mother had scrap in the area, in the village of Senhora do Verde, where he then went to work.

When he speaks of Joana, Leandro remembers her as "her cub". "She always slept beside me. Often, when I slept on the couch, I would wake up in the morning, covered up. She was the one who covered me. She was the one who treated the brothers. It was my baby, "she recalls, smiling.

Today, Leandro left his work in the scrap and works as a bricklayer and plumber, with a contract of employment, in a firm. He lives in Mexilhoeira Grande, about two kilometers from Figueira.

He managed to rebuild his life, though it was difficult, as he admits, since, after Joana disappeared, many suspicions came over him. However, he says, no one in the village "looks at him from the side." "On the contrary, those who looked at me aside, nowadays, are the ones that give me the most strength. In Mexilhoeira, everyone supports me and I do not suffer as much. "

"Something happened there, but that girl was not killed at home"

Julia says that on the night of Joana's disappearance, she was at home when she heard Leonor Cyprian calling for her daughter, after she disappeared. It was not until the following night that the child had not yet returned home.

Ophelia Zeverino, who, remember, was the last person to see Joana, as soon as she left the cafe around midnight, went immediately to meet the Cipriano family to see if there were any news yet, since Leonor , João and Leandro went to the café about 22:00 to ask about the child's whereabouts.

What aroused Ophelia's particular apprehension was the "calmness" of Joana's mother, a situation also confirmed by Julia: "I thought she was a bit too calm. As a mother, if my daughter disappeared, I would not be as calm as she was. But everyone reacts in their own way, "he says.

At that time, as the family had not yet alerted the authorities, Ophelia offered to contact the GNR, which she did immediately, with the family's endorsement, which reiterates that she did not do so because she did not have a balance on her cell phone. Nevertheless, he does not hide his strangeness from the coldness of the Cipriano family.

What happened next is known. Mother and uncle admitted the crime, with versions that have been changing over the years, although they have never denied the murder of the child. However, this is a thesis that does not convince many of the residents of Figueira, even because, they acknowledge, Leonor Cipriano had a very close relationship with the daughter and treated her affectionately. "In our view, she [Leonor Ciprinano] was very affectionate with her children," says Ophelia, a vision shared by Leandro Silva. "I know that Leonor liked the girl very much."

Not by exonerating Leonor Cipriano or putting aside his involvement in the disappearance of the child, the thesis of abduction or sale is seen, by Ophelia and Leandro, as most likely. "Dead? No. Now that she has a business with her brother and has sold the girl ... I still believe that, "says Leandro. "As for me, the girl was taken that night. Something happened there, but that girl was not killed at home, "Ophelia reiterates.

The neighbor, who then worked in the cafe, goes further and points the finger at the Judicial Police, especially at Lisbon. "For me, the work of the Judiciary [Police] was a complete failure. These two people were arrested based on what? In nothing. Where are the traces? Where is the girl? There is nothing. Do you know why they were arrested? Because they did not have money, "he says. To Ophelia, Joana never arrived at home. Proof of that? The milk carton and the preserves she sold to the girl were never found.

Thirteen years after that tragic night, which no one in the village will ever forget, are more questions and contradictions than answers. The truth is that life in Figueira, despite the return to normal, was never the same and residents, when they remember the days that followed the disappearance of Joan, do not hide the discomfort. Like Ophelia Zeverino, who spent sleepless nights. "For many nights, it seemed like I heard Joan calling for my daughter. I've been sleepless nights because of it. How could anyone disappear on this street? "




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Post  bb1 on Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:02 pm

Thanks, Max, much food for thought there - not least that the official version of the Cipriano case has more holes in it than a colander.

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