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Does this mean that in time, politicians will be the majority?
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That's a huge boost to the YES campaign.
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And the fall-out from the Euro election brings even better news for the YES campaign!
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http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/coburn-i-d-legalise-drugs-ban-same-sex-marriage-1-3423000
Glasgow-born Mr Coburn, whose postal address was declared as being in Kensington, London, said he wanted to work with other unionist parties in the No campaign. The MEP also claimed the surge in Ukip support was due to the SNP government becoming more unpopular after seven years in power, as he promised his party’s leadership would play an active role in the referendum.
Mr Coburn, speaking after his victory speech, said: “I did offer to help keep Scotland in the UK and we should work together. I will talk to anyone. I’ll talk to Tories and I’ll even talk to demoralised SNP people. A lot of people are sick and tired of the SNP. I’d like to thank Alex Salmond for his tremendous help in getting us elected.
“Nigel intends to come up a lot more. He’s as keen as mustard. We’ll be seeing him a lot.”
Great news! There's nothing like a pack of braying, patronising English tw@ts to annoy Scots voters! Especially as more is now coming out about this buffoon, and no-one will own up to actually voting for him.
Please note:
1. The SNP vote is exactly where it's been for the last few elections, it's not dropping at all, which is unheard-of for any government after seven years.
2. Coburn only scraped in by 8,000 votes out of the whole of Scotland. If a few more people in each voting area had got off their bums, he would not have been elected.
3. He only got elected by the peculiarities of that voting system. If the thirty-ish voting areas had been on first-past-the-post, the SNP would have won 15 seats, Labour would have got 10, and the remainder would have been split between the Tories and Lib Dems, as both actually won in a handful of areas.
Unlike UKIP, who didn't win anywhere.
From:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/coburn-i-d-legalise-drugs-ban-same-sex-marriage-1-3423000
Glasgow-born Mr Coburn, whose postal address was declared as being in Kensington, London, said he wanted to work with other unionist parties in the No campaign. The MEP also claimed the surge in Ukip support was due to the SNP government becoming more unpopular after seven years in power, as he promised his party’s leadership would play an active role in the referendum.
Mr Coburn, speaking after his victory speech, said: “I did offer to help keep Scotland in the UK and we should work together. I will talk to anyone. I’ll talk to Tories and I’ll even talk to demoralised SNP people. A lot of people are sick and tired of the SNP. I’d like to thank Alex Salmond for his tremendous help in getting us elected.
“Nigel intends to come up a lot more. He’s as keen as mustard. We’ll be seeing him a lot.”
Great news! There's nothing like a pack of braying, patronising English tw@ts to annoy Scots voters! Especially as more is now coming out about this buffoon, and no-one will own up to actually voting for him.
Please note:
1. The SNP vote is exactly where it's been for the last few elections, it's not dropping at all, which is unheard-of for any government after seven years.
2. Coburn only scraped in by 8,000 votes out of the whole of Scotland. If a few more people in each voting area had got off their bums, he would not have been elected.
3. He only got elected by the peculiarities of that voting system. If the thirty-ish voting areas had been on first-past-the-post, the SNP would have won 15 seats, Labour would have got 10, and the remainder would have been split between the Tories and Lib Dems, as both actually won in a handful of areas.
Unlike UKIP, who didn't win anywhere.
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Cornwall has always been very badly treated. Tourist come in in droves, clog the roads and use the water, while Cornwall pays.
Back fifty years ago when I lived there, the local Tory MP treated us all like a load of brain dead morons who actually had the audacity to ask questions at his "Love In."
Back fifty years ago when I lived there, the local Tory MP treated us all like a load of brain dead morons who actually had the audacity to ask questions at his "Love In."
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I can well imagine, Sabot. I am pleased to see that Cornwall is starting to get some recognition as a separate county, and the Cornish language is slowly coming back from the brink.
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http://news.sky.com/story/1270290/scots-independence-costs-badly-misrepresented
Scots Independence Costs 'Badly Misrepresented'
Government officials are accused of being "crude" in their calculations - and of overstating a figure by 12 times.
By James Matthews, Scotland Correspondent
The Treasury has "badly misrepresented" a study on the cost of Scottish independence, the academic behind the research has said.
Patrick Dunleavy, a professor of politics at the London School of Economics (LSE), says that when Treasury officials used his research to calculate the start-up costs of independence, they overstated the figure by 12 times.
The criticism is an embarrassment for Danny Alexander, the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, who is due to present detailed figures on the economics of independence at an event described by Whitehall officials as a "major milestone" in the independence debate.
Speaking ahead of publication, Mr Alexander said: "Our analysis ... is forward looking.
"It is the most comprehensive analysis of the fiscal position of Scotland yet produced and will set out the scale of the current and future UK dividend for Scotland."
However, the controversy surrounding figures presented to the media in a Treasury briefing threaten to overshadow Mr Alexander's launch of the analysis paper.
Officials had briefed that, partly based on the research of Professor Dunleavy, they estimated the start-up costs for an independent Scottish Government at £2.7bn.
It was a calculation of how much it would cost to set up 180 government departments, in line with recent equivalent costs in Whitehall.
The Scottish Government strongly criticised the figure, saying it would not need anything like 180 departments and that much of the departmental infrastructure was already in place in Scotland.
The Professor himself echoed the view.
He wrote on Twitter: "UK Treasury press release on Scotland costs of government badly misrepresents LSE research.
"Appears to take minimum Whitehall reorganisation cost of £15m and multiply by 180 agencies to get £2.7bn. Overstates maybe 12 times?"
Later, he tweeted: "Could they be this crude? Phone call from Treasury guy later confirms: Yes, they had been."
Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond has demanded the Treasury withdraw the figures and apologise.
He said: "This is a devastating verdict on the Treasury's figures from one of the authors of the report they have been using to base their work on.
"And it totally undermines everything they have to say this week about the finances of an independent Scotland."
Mr Salmond is also due to publish his analysis on the economics of independence in a separate media briefing.
How very embarrassing for Westminster!
Scots Independence Costs 'Badly Misrepresented'
Government officials are accused of being "crude" in their calculations - and of overstating a figure by 12 times.
By James Matthews, Scotland Correspondent
The Treasury has "badly misrepresented" a study on the cost of Scottish independence, the academic behind the research has said.
Patrick Dunleavy, a professor of politics at the London School of Economics (LSE), says that when Treasury officials used his research to calculate the start-up costs of independence, they overstated the figure by 12 times.
The criticism is an embarrassment for Danny Alexander, the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, who is due to present detailed figures on the economics of independence at an event described by Whitehall officials as a "major milestone" in the independence debate.
Speaking ahead of publication, Mr Alexander said: "Our analysis ... is forward looking.
"It is the most comprehensive analysis of the fiscal position of Scotland yet produced and will set out the scale of the current and future UK dividend for Scotland."
However, the controversy surrounding figures presented to the media in a Treasury briefing threaten to overshadow Mr Alexander's launch of the analysis paper.
Officials had briefed that, partly based on the research of Professor Dunleavy, they estimated the start-up costs for an independent Scottish Government at £2.7bn.
It was a calculation of how much it would cost to set up 180 government departments, in line with recent equivalent costs in Whitehall.
The Scottish Government strongly criticised the figure, saying it would not need anything like 180 departments and that much of the departmental infrastructure was already in place in Scotland.
The Professor himself echoed the view.
He wrote on Twitter: "UK Treasury press release on Scotland costs of government badly misrepresents LSE research.
"Appears to take minimum Whitehall reorganisation cost of £15m and multiply by 180 agencies to get £2.7bn. Overstates maybe 12 times?"
Later, he tweeted: "Could they be this crude? Phone call from Treasury guy later confirms: Yes, they had been."
Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond has demanded the Treasury withdraw the figures and apologise.
He said: "This is a devastating verdict on the Treasury's figures from one of the authors of the report they have been using to base their work on.
"And it totally undermines everything they have to say this week about the finances of an independent Scotland."
Mr Salmond is also due to publish his analysis on the economics of independence in a separate media briefing.
How very embarrassing for Westminster!
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http://wingsoverscotland.com/its-about-democracy-stupid/
An excellent piece by an American in Scotland. And it's rude about Obama's meddling.
An excellent piece by an American in Scotland. And it's rude about Obama's meddling.
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Yes it is, Bonny, and also some really good comments.
I think many Americans are bemused by Obama's remarks. More incompetence and nothing to do with him at all.
I think many Americans are bemused by Obama's remarks. More incompetence and nothing to do with him at all.
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Stopping Scottish independence is more important than re-electing David Cameron to safeguard Britain's 'special relationship' with the US, former Tory Prime Minister John Major has claimed.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2661242/Stopping-Scottish-independence-important-electing-David-Cameron-Sir-John-Major-warns-against-UK-break-up.html#ixzz350t68iRz
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They haven't half been coming out with some twaddle about this of late.
Who haven't they got involved?
Who haven't they got involved?
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I don't think there can be many left, Lily - have we had the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem yet?
I have to admire their strategy, though. Getting the Tory most famous for having sex with Edwina Currie to tell us what to do for fear of annoying Obama - that's a real vote winner.
For YES.
I have to admire their strategy, though. Getting the Tory most famous for having sex with Edwina Currie to tell us what to do for fear of annoying Obama - that's a real vote winner.
For YES.
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No, you must await his pleading for the no separation vote.
To be honest, why worry about upsetting Obama?
To be honest, why worry about upsetting Obama?
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http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/peopleandpower/2014/07/disunited-kingdom-201471083219774686.html
That's a very good report, I saw it when AJ broadcast it.
I have discovered that there is NO point in expecting the BBC, the Mail, etc., to report in a truthful, non-hysterical, non-scaremongering manner on the referendum. The BBC may as well be the Voice of Downing Street, and the tabloid press isn't fit to read.
The only reports I have seen which are sane, reasonable and accurate summaries of what is going on at ground level have been on Al Jazeerah and Russia Today.
What that says about the state of most of the UK media, I shudder to think....
That's a very good report, I saw it when AJ broadcast it.
I have discovered that there is NO point in expecting the BBC, the Mail, etc., to report in a truthful, non-hysterical, non-scaremongering manner on the referendum. The BBC may as well be the Voice of Downing Street, and the tabloid press isn't fit to read.
The only reports I have seen which are sane, reasonable and accurate summaries of what is going on at ground level have been on Al Jazeerah and Russia Today.
What that says about the state of most of the UK media, I shudder to think....
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What it says? They have sold out.
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It tells me something else, Lily. I can see for myself that AJ and RT are pretty much accurate about what is happening here and now, in Scotland, so it makes me more inclined to believe their version of other matters.
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Apologies Bonny. I mean the others have and not RT and AJ.
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Knew what you meant, Lily.
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They are actually getting worse.
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That's the thing, Lily. It's very difficult to sort out truth from propaganda, so if AJ and RT are honestly reporting something I do know about....then it's reasonable to assume they are more or less honestly reporting other matters.
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I seem to recall those days when we could also trust most other newspapers.......
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From:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2699792/Failure-stand-Putin-threaten-Britain-s-economy-says-Osborne-warning-Russia-holds-key-MH17-crash-site.html
Invoking the outbreak of World War Two, the Prime Minister said Europe must not forget the 'consequences of turning a blind eye when big countries bully smaller countries'
Oh, the irony....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2699792/Failure-stand-Putin-threaten-Britain-s-economy-says-Osborne-warning-Russia-holds-key-MH17-crash-site.html
Invoking the outbreak of World War Two, the Prime Minister said Europe must not forget the 'consequences of turning a blind eye when big countries bully smaller countries'
Oh, the irony....
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Scotland will be left without any weapons to defend itself if it votes for independence and refuses to take on its share of UK debt, an MP has warned.
Ian Davidson, the chairman of the influential Scottish affairs committee, said that Alex Salmond’s ‘cavalier’ plan to renege on Scotland’s debts if he does not get his way on the pound would ‘poison’ negotiations with the UK.
He warned that Scotland would be denied access to military equipment and could be left with ‘a navy with no ships, an air force with no planes and an army with no guns’.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2723402/Go-Scotland-defenceless-Nation-left-without-weapons-votes-independence-refuses-share-UK-debt-MP-warns.html#ixzz3AGPMv8Xn
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As long as Trident is the first to go, I doubt if anyone greatly cares.
Ian Davidson, the chairman of the influential Scottish affairs committee, said that Alex Salmond’s ‘cavalier’ plan to renege on Scotland’s debts if he does not get his way on the pound would ‘poison’ negotiations with the UK.
He warned that Scotland would be denied access to military equipment and could be left with ‘a navy with no ships, an air force with no planes and an army with no guns’.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2723402/Go-Scotland-defenceless-Nation-left-without-weapons-votes-independence-refuses-share-UK-debt-MP-warns.html#ixzz3AGPMv8Xn
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As long as Trident is the first to go, I doubt if anyone greatly cares.
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If anyone is interested in a realistic view of current events in Scotland, as opposed to scaremongering, spinning and outright lying:
http://wingsoverscotland.com/
http://wingsoverscotland.com/
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http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/australian-pm-indy-scotland-would-not-be-in-worlds-best-interests.1408170886
Australian PM: indy Scotland would not be in world's best interests
Saturday 16 August 2014
An independent Scotland would not be in the best interests of the international community, Australia's prime minister has warned.
Tony Abbott, elected the Commonwealth country's 28th prime minister last year, became the latest international leader to wade into the debate after US president Barack Obama said his administration had a "deep interest" in ensuring the United Kingdom remained united.
Mr Abbott, who spent two years at the University of Oxford, told the Times: "What the Scots do is a matter for the Scots and not for a moment do I presume to tell Scottish voters which way they should vote.
"But as a friend of Britain, as an observer from afar, it's hard to see how the world would be helped by an independent Scotland.
"I think that the people who would like to see the break-up of the United Kingdom are not the friends of justice, not the friends of freedom, and that the countries that would cheer at the prospect of the break-up with the United Kingdom are not the countries whose company one would like to keep."
The Yes campaign believes the nation would be strengthened by independence but the UK government is opposed to the breakaway.
A Yes Scotland spokesman said: "Independence seems to be working well for Australia.
"These comments have echoes of Lord George Robertson's "forces of darkness" speech in April which was widely ridiculed, even by No supporters, as one of the anti-independence campaign's most outlandish scare stories.
"The decision about Scotland's future is one for the people of Scotland to make - a point that even David Cameron asserts. After a Yes vote, Scotland will take her place as a normal and valued member of the international community - just as Australia did when she gained independence at the turn of the century."
A spokesman for First Minister Alex Salmond said: "Tony Abbott has a reputation for gaffes, but his bewildering comments have all the hallmarks of one of the Westminster Government's international briefings against Scotland.
"Seventy-one nations and territories were represented at the recent Commonwealth Games in Glasgow but only Mr Abbott has put his foot in it. Many Australians, including the great number with close Scottish connections, will look on in bafflement at these remarks - Australia is a country that has gained its independence from Westminster and has never looked back.
"Scotland's referendum is a model of democracy, which has been cited as such internationally, including by the US Secretary of State. An independent Scotland will be a beacon for fairness, justice and cooperation in the international community - and a great friend of Australia."
If there's one person in the world it has NOTHING to do with it's the PM of Australia. Anyway, I thought he'd declared war on Russia, or something?
Cheers, though....
"I think that the people who would like to see the break-up of the United Kingdom are not the friends of justice, not the friends of freedom, and that the countries that would cheer at the prospect of the break-up with the United Kingdom are not the countries whose company one would like to keep."
That insult looks like being good for a few more YES votes.
Australian PM: indy Scotland would not be in world's best interests
Saturday 16 August 2014
An independent Scotland would not be in the best interests of the international community, Australia's prime minister has warned.
Tony Abbott, elected the Commonwealth country's 28th prime minister last year, became the latest international leader to wade into the debate after US president Barack Obama said his administration had a "deep interest" in ensuring the United Kingdom remained united.
Mr Abbott, who spent two years at the University of Oxford, told the Times: "What the Scots do is a matter for the Scots and not for a moment do I presume to tell Scottish voters which way they should vote.
"But as a friend of Britain, as an observer from afar, it's hard to see how the world would be helped by an independent Scotland.
"I think that the people who would like to see the break-up of the United Kingdom are not the friends of justice, not the friends of freedom, and that the countries that would cheer at the prospect of the break-up with the United Kingdom are not the countries whose company one would like to keep."
The Yes campaign believes the nation would be strengthened by independence but the UK government is opposed to the breakaway.
A Yes Scotland spokesman said: "Independence seems to be working well for Australia.
"These comments have echoes of Lord George Robertson's "forces of darkness" speech in April which was widely ridiculed, even by No supporters, as one of the anti-independence campaign's most outlandish scare stories.
"The decision about Scotland's future is one for the people of Scotland to make - a point that even David Cameron asserts. After a Yes vote, Scotland will take her place as a normal and valued member of the international community - just as Australia did when she gained independence at the turn of the century."
A spokesman for First Minister Alex Salmond said: "Tony Abbott has a reputation for gaffes, but his bewildering comments have all the hallmarks of one of the Westminster Government's international briefings against Scotland.
"Seventy-one nations and territories were represented at the recent Commonwealth Games in Glasgow but only Mr Abbott has put his foot in it. Many Australians, including the great number with close Scottish connections, will look on in bafflement at these remarks - Australia is a country that has gained its independence from Westminster and has never looked back.
"Scotland's referendum is a model of democracy, which has been cited as such internationally, including by the US Secretary of State. An independent Scotland will be a beacon for fairness, justice and cooperation in the international community - and a great friend of Australia."
If there's one person in the world it has NOTHING to do with it's the PM of Australia. Anyway, I thought he'd declared war on Russia, or something?
Cheers, though....
"I think that the people who would like to see the break-up of the United Kingdom are not the friends of justice, not the friends of freedom, and that the countries that would cheer at the prospect of the break-up with the United Kingdom are not the countries whose company one would like to keep."
That insult looks like being good for a few more YES votes.
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Unbelievable. Bonny, I agree with you. The no crowd do seem desperate and a person wonders why.
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