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Post  bb1 Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:44 pm

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-15/petrodollar-panic-eu-officials-admit-buying-oil-isis


A senior European Union official has revealed that some EU member states have purchased oil from ISIL Takfiri militants despite their rhetoric against the group.

In a briefing to the European Parliament Foreign Affairs Committee, EU Ambassador to Iraq Jana Hybas-kova said some European countries have purchased crude from the ISIL.

She, however, refused to disclose any names despite pressure by some Parliament members to do so.

The EU official also warned against any support by the West for separatist Kurdish groups who, she said, would destabilize the Middle East.

Earlier reports accused Turkey of buying and transporting oil from both the ISIL and Qaeda-linked Nusra Front. According to the reports, Western intelligence agencies could track ISIL oil shipments as they moved across Iraq and Turkey.

ISIL reportedly controls eleven oil fields in northern Iraq as well as Syria's Raqqa province.

US intelligence officials estimate that the Takfiri militants earn more than USD 3 million a day from oil profit, theft, human trafficking and ransom. They say the militants sell oil and other products via established networks in Turkey, Jordan and Iraq's Kurdistan region. ?Turkey has denied reports of involvement in ISIL's oil smuggling operations.
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Well, someone in the West is clearly buying it; no chance of Sanctioning them? Or are they members of the latest bombing coalition?

And does anyone know why on earth Australia is getting involved in this? More than 500 Aussies were killed in Vietnam, and the anger over that just about tore Australia apart. It's just about possible to see a reason for Australia to have been worried about Vietnam, but Iraq?
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Post  bb1 Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:48 pm

http://www.infowars.com/rand-paul-arming-syrian-rebels-will-empower-isis/

RAND PAUL: ARMING SYRIAN REBELS WILL EMPOWER ISIS
"Their enemy is really Assad. They don’t really care what ISIS does."

by STEVE WATSON | INFOWARS.COM | SEPTEMBER 15, 2014
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One of the only sane voices chiming in on the announcement that The Pentagon will train 5,000 Syrian rebels per year as part of Obama’s new campaign to battle Islamic State militants, is that of Kentucky Senator Rand Paul, who doubled down on his assertion that arming rebels is akin to placing weapons into the hands of ISIS.

“It’s a mistake to arm them. Most of the arms we’ve given to the so-called moderate rebels have wound up in the hands of ISIS, because ISIS simply takes it from them, or it’s given to them, or we mistakenly actually give it to some of the radicals,” Paul said on CBS’s “This Morning.”

Paul was commenting on the $500 million plan to train and equip Syrian rebels, details of which emerged Friday. He noted that while Iran, Turkey and Syria may be focused on fighting ISIS, the rebels in Syria have other goals.

“I would say one insightful piece of news from the last week is, some of the moderate rebels, so-called moderate rebels have now signed a cease-fire with ISIS,” Paul added. “So, really their enemy is really Assad. They don’t really care what ISIS does.”

It is common knowledge that the US has for three years now funded and supported rebels in Libya and Syria. Indeed, the same extremists who overthrew Gaddafi in Libya were reportedly airlifted into Syria by NATO forces. The same extremists who Killed US and NATO Troops in Iraq were supported all the way by the US and its allies in Libya and Syria.

ISIS terrorists had already infiltrated those groups and the US government knew it from their own intelligence and from independent intelligence. Like a cancer, the group grew and eventually consumed the so called rebels fighting against the Syrian government.

In the wake of criticism leveled at Senator Paul for expressing support for a campaign of limited military support against ISIS, Paul explained “I am, like most Americans, I am influenced by the beheading of Americans, now the beheading of a British journalist,” he said. “I think it’s going to unite the world against ISIS.

The Washington Post has led the charge in attempting to smear Paul, alleging that the Senator is abandoning his “outsider” libertarian principles in favor of mainstream credibility. Of course, the fact that this comes from a mainstream media outlet speaks volumes.

The Senator himself denies he is making such a move.

“I have steadfastly been against Hillary Clinton and President Obama’s intervention in Libya as well as Syria, because I think they have helped to create the situation that we now face with ISIS,” Paul urged.

“Had we bombed Syria — had the president actually got what he wanted and what Hillary Clinton wanted, to bomb the heck out of Assad — my guess is ISIS would now be in Damascus,” he said.

He also defended his position, compared to that of the president, noting “Since the beginning of my public life, I’ve always said Congress declares war, not the President. The President used to agree with me. It’s actually the President who has changed his position. Back when he ran for office, he said that no president should unilaterally go to war without the consent and the authority of Congress. I still maintain that view and always have maintained that view.”
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Post  bb1 Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:57 pm

http://www.infowars.com/angry-mccain-admits-meeting-with-isis-scolds-rand-paul-for-not-knowing-terrorists/

ANGRY MCCAIN ADMITS MEETING WITH ISIS, SCOLDS RAND PAUL FOR NOT KNOWING TERRORISTS
"Has Rand Paul ever been to Syria? Has he ever met with ISIS?"

by STEVE WATSON | INFOWARS.COM | SEPTEMBER 16, 2014
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In a weak effort to smear Rand Paul, war hawk Senator John McCain attempted to argue that the Kentucky Senator doesn’t have the authority to disagree with US policies regarding ISIS because he hasn’t met up with members of the terror group, unlike McCain himself.

In an appearance on Fox News Monday, McCain was asked to respond to Paul’s comments earlier in the day, when the libertarian leaning Senator told CBS’ This Morning that arming Syrian rebels would only empower ISIS in the long run.

And that’s when things got weird.

“Has Rand Paul ever been to Syria? Has he ever met with ISIS? Has he ever met with any of these people? No, no, no,” McCain said, clearly in reference to his own visit to Syria in 2013, where he was photographed with leaders of the Free Syrian Army, the fighters violently opposed to the Assad regime.

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Don’t attempt to look for any logic in McCain’s blathering, because there isn’t any. This is not the first time McCain has attempted to make this idiotic argument. When intelligence emerged that up to 40 percent of the “moderate” rebels are actually extremists, McCain argued that the claims were not true because he has personally met the rebels.

“I know who they are. I was in Syria and I met them.” McCain said at the time. “There’s about 70 percent still who are Free Syrian Army,” he claimed, despite the fact that a study by defense consultancy IHS Jane’s found that only around 30 percent of rebels are fighting for secular values,

McCain, who has long pushed to arm Syrian rebels, declared that it is “patently false” to claim that arms supplied to the so called “moderate” militants have actually wound up with Islamic State in Iraq and Syria terrorists.

“We’re going to have a fight, because it’s patently false. This is the same Rand Paul that said we didn’t want to have anything to do with anything to do in the Middle East, by the way. I don’t want to get in a fight with him at all.” McCain said.

Of course, actual independent evidence and reports of arms winding up in ISIS hands do exist, and it is a real problem, even if McCain chooses to close his eyes and ignore it, or willfully lie about it. His scolding of Rand Paul for referencing such evidence is laughable.

During Monday’s appearance, McCain also claimed that it is “not true” that the moderate Syrian rebels have agreed a nonaggression pact with ISIS, another factor Rand Paul brought up Monday. McCain did not , however, present any evidence to counter media reports based on intelligence shared by UK rights groups indicating this is indeed the case.

McCain also claimed that no other Arab country has declared support for US airstrikes on ISIS, despite a White House announcement claiming it has such support.

It seems that McCain just repeats whatever information it is that he wants to believe, regardless of what the rest of the planet is learning.


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Post  lily Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:16 pm

He does sound like he has dementia, Bonny....
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Post  bb1 Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:19 pm

Agree, Lily, he just isn't making sense. He really should retire, before he says something awful and HAS to retire.
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Post  lily Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:20 pm

Yes he should.  He is really embarrassing himself.
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Post  bb1 Mon Sep 22, 2014 10:53 am

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http://news.sky.com/story/1339886/blair-airpower-alone-not-enough-to-defeat-is

Tony Blair has said Britain should not rule out sending forces into Syria and Iraq to counter the threat posed by Islamic State.

In a 6,500-word essay, the former prime minister said that while no desire existed for ground engagement in the region, airpower alone would not be enough to defeat the group.

"We have to fight groups like ISIS," he said. "There can be an abundance of diplomacy, all necessary relief of humanitarian suffering, every conceivable statement of condemnation which we can muster.

"But unless they're accompanied by physical combat, we will mitigate the problem but not overcome it.

"Airpower is a major component of this to be sure, especially with the new weapons available to us. But - and this is the hard truth - airpower alone will not suffice.

"If possible, others closer to the field of battle, with a more immediate interest, can be given the weapons and the training to carry the fight.

The Ceremonial Funeral Of Former British Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher
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"I accept fully there is no appetite for ground engagement in the West. But we should not rule it out in the future if it is absolutely necessary."


I've an even better idea - give Blair and the other warmongers rifles and sent THEM into Iraq, with McCain and co in the vanguard, They caused this mess by invading Iraq on a lie, and then by arming the 'nice rebels' and turning a blind eye as long as they only massacred Christians in Syria.

I see NO reason why any more of our best young people should be killed and maimed for the benefit of war criminals like Blair.
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Post  bb1 Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:29 pm

http://rt.com/news/189564-syrian-refugees-turkey-isis/

New clashes erupt at Syrian-Turkish border as 100k+ refugees flee
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Turkish soldiers stand guard as Syrian Kurds wait behind the border fence to cross into Turkey near the southeastern town of Suruc in Sanliurfa province, September 19, 2014. (Reuters/Stringer)

Clashes have resumed at the Syria-Turkey border, where thousands of Syrian Kurds have been trying to escape from the advance of the Islamic State fighters on their towns.

Turkish authorities briefly closed the border on Sunday, after clashes broke out between security forces and protesters, who had rallied in support of the refugees.

Turkish security troops clash with Kurds, as thousands flee ISIS (VIDEO)

The number of Syrian Kurds who have crossed the border into Turkey over the last several days, escaping from Islamic State fighters, has exceeded 130,000, according to the latest estimate by Turkish authorities.

The figure was given by Deputy Prime Minister Numan Kurtulmus, who believes the number of refugees is likely to grow.

"If ISIL [Now the Islamic State, formerly ISIS/ISIL] attacks continue in the Kobane region, Turkey may face an intensive influx," Kurtulmus told reporters in Ankara, according to AFP.

The extremist group launched an offensive on Kurd-populated areas of northern Syria on Tuesday, forcing thousands of residents to flee their homes. The Islamic State has captured at least 64 villages around the border city of Ayn al-Arab, or Kobani in Kurdish, which is home to one of the largest Kurdish communities in Syria.

On Sunday, protesters at the border accused Ankara of helping create the problem of the Islamic State in the first place, by backing Syrian rebels against President Assad.

Political analyst Caleb Maupin also believes Ankara should share responsibility for the current refugee crisis.

“The fact that Turkey has allowed these extremists, which are seeking to destabilize Syria to set up bases in Turkey and go over the border to carry out their attacks in Syria... it’s going to come back to haunt them. If you support these kinds of elements they will eventually turn on you,” Maupin told RT.

The Turkish border with Syria has been reopened, but only at one point, near the town of Mursitpinar, according to Turkey's emergencies directorate, the AFAD.

"A single point has been opened for displaced Syrians, so that we can do identity control and give first aid, vaccinating people if necessary," an AFAD official said, according to AFP.

The UN refugee agency, the UNHCR, warned on Saturday that the total number of refugees might eventually be estimated in the hundreds of thousands.
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Post  bb1 Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:03 pm

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/21/us/massachusetts-missing-afghan-soldiers/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Three Afghan National Army soldiers, who were in Massachusetts for training, have gone missing after a trip to a shopping mall, authorities said. It's the second time in a week that Afghan security trainees in the United States have disappeared.
The three soldiers do not appear to pose any threat to the public, the Massachusetts National Guard said.


No, of course they don't, perish the thought! It's not as if anyone of them have ever turned their weapons on US soldiers in Afghanistan, or anything! Oh wait........
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Post  lily Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:49 pm

mad mad mad
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Post  bb1 Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:57 pm

This may raise a smile - slightly - Lily. ISIS has been on a rant:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-21/isis-slams-mule-jews-obama-demands-killing-disbelievers-especially-filthy-french

Most of it is the usual ISIS rant, but they show the same respect towards the esteemed Ketchup Gigolo, John Kerry, as the rest of the world does, referring to him as:

Kerry, the uncircumcised old geezer

And now I think of it, whoever wrote that rant must be British, possibly a Londoner, as not many people use the word GEEZER.

ETA, if that is an English ISIS, it would also explain why he was so rude about the French and their cleaning routines...
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Post  lily Mon Sep 22, 2014 4:00 pm

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl


P.S.  The site is currently in maintenance mode.
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Post  bb1 Mon Sep 22, 2014 4:12 pm

Do you know, one of the few sensible comments on the whole business came from Bradley, now Chelsea, Manning, of all people, who emerged from her jail cell to speak to a newspaper? He/she said:

1. Do NOT attack them - you will instantly give them an external enemy. You will also paint a target on the back of every US citizen, everywhere.

2. Co-operate with Syria and Iran, who have been fighting them for some time. Help Syria and Iran keep them contained in a small area of the Middle East, and they will inevitably start fighting amongst themselves.

3. Cut off the money, even though US supposed allies have been buying cheap oil from them.

4. Stop glamourising them and reacting to their horrible videos, you're doing their work for them.

It's worrying when you realise that a transgender woman imprisoned for swiping classified cables is talking more sense than the 'experts'.....
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Post  lily Mon Sep 22, 2014 4:18 pm

What an irony.  S/he does sound sensible there......
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Post  bb1 Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:29 pm

Turkish security forces have clashed with Kurdish protesters on the border as the country struggles to cope with refugees fleeing Islamic State militants in Syria.

More than 130,000 Syrian Kurds have crossed into Turkey in the last four days alone, and authorities are preparing for many more.

Security forces fired tear gas and water cannon at hundreds of Kurdish youths gathered on the Turkish side of the border near Suruc.

Kurdish fighters say they have halted the IS advance east of the Syrian city of Kobani - also known as Ayn al Arab - just a few miles from the Turkish border, but that fierce fighting continues.

Residents fleeing Kobani said the militants were executing people of all ages in seized villages.

Turkey's deputy prime minister Numan Kurtulmus warned the number could rise to "a refugee wave that can be expressed by hundreds of thousands".
"This is not a natural disaster. What we are faced with is a man-made disaster.

"We don't know how many more villages may be raided, how many more people may be forced to seek refuge.

"An uncontrollable force at the other side of the border is attacking civilians. The extent of the disaster is worse than a natural disaster."

A balaclava-clad Kurdish activist Shirwan, 28, said: "We all want to cross the border. We tried yesterday but they attacked us, and we will try again today."

Locals said protesters had gathered from cities across Turkey's predominantly Kurdish southeast.

Conservative estimates say several hundred Turkish Kurds have already crossed to join the fight.

The advances by Sunni insurgents just across Turkey's southern border has alarmed the government in the country's capital Ankara.

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But Turkey has been slow to join calls for a coalition to fight IS, concerned in part about about links between the Syrian Kurds and Turkey's own Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), which waged an armed campaign for Kurdish rights over several decades.

While Turkey has denied giving any support to the Islamist militants, the West argues its open borders during Syria's three-year civil war allowed IS and other radical groups to grow in power.

The PKK issued a rallying call to Turkey's Kurds on Sunday, saying "supporting this heroic resistance" in Kobani was a "debt of honour".

Meanwhile, IS has called on supporters to attack citizens of the US, France and other countries which have joined a coalition to combat the terror group.

An IS spokesman also taunted US President Barack Obama and other Western "crusaders", saying their forces faced inevitable defeat.

The US and France have launched airstrikes against IS targets in recent weeks, and the UK has not ruled out joining the bombing campaign.

Despite having already bombed targets in Iraq, France has ruled out extending its airstrikes to targets in Syria.

Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said France would continue to support the moderate opposition in Syria, but would not be bombing targets "by air".

The US has also rejected a proposal floated by Iran in which Tehran would cooperate in the fight against IS in exchange for flexibility on its nuclear program.

White House spokesman Josh Earnest said the effort by world powers to persuade Iran to give up its nuclear program is "entirely separate" from President Obama attempts to build a coalition against IS.

"The United States will not be in the position of trading aspects of Iran's nuclear program to secure commitments to take on ISIL," he said.


I somehow don't think Iran and its allies are going to see things that way.
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Post  bb1 Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:55 pm

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-22/barbarism-versus-stupidism

That's worth a read, concerning the mess the west has blundered into, well, just about everywhere.
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Post  lily Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:45 pm

Wow.  Well said though.
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Post  lily Mon Sep 22, 2014 10:33 pm

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
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Post  bb1 Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:06 pm

http://news.sky.com/story/1342141/victoria-beckham-speaks-at-united-nations

Victoria Beckham Speaks At United Nations
The former Spice Girl misses the opening of her new store to speak at the United Nations after being named a Goodwill Ambassador.


You know, in less-stupid times, that would only have happened in a Spitting Images sketch. Welcome to the 21st century. Rolling Eyes
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Post  bb1 Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:57 am

http://rt.com/usa/190856-pentagon-undocumented-immigrants-recruit/


Illegal, but fit to serve: Pentagon to recruit undocumented immigrants
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The Pentagon is to start recruiting undocumented immigrants who came into the US as minors and possess valuable skills like speaking Persian and Chinese. The program offering the opportunity is capped at 1,500 recruits per year.

The new policy revealed by the DoD on Thursday expands the existing pilot program called Military Accessions Vital to National Interest, or MAVNI. It has been tried since 2008, offering positions in the US armed forces to foreigners living in America legally as refugees or under a temporary visa.

Starting next fiscal year, MAVNI will also apply to illegal residents who came to US with their parents before age 16, reports the Military Times. The potential recruits would be selected from those eligible for the 2012 Obama administration policy known as Deferred Action for Child Arrivals, or DACA. Getting a DACA illegal immigrant status involves a background check by the Homeland Security Department.

The Pentagon recruits some 5,000 foreigners each year, most of them ‘green card’ holders. The MAVNI program may account for up to 1,500 recruits annually, although the military services are not required to accept them. In practice the Army has been the only service to accept a significant number, while the Navy and Marine Corps are not seeking applicants under it.

A recruit must meet higher-than-usual standards and have certain skills valued by the US military to get a position. Those include medical training and language expertise. Speakers of Arabic, Chinese, Pushtu, Korean, Russian, Urdu, Hindi and Hungarian are among those in demand.

The expansion of the program to illegal residents adds between 1.2 million and 2.1 million children, teenagers and young adults to the potential talent pool. The recruits would be offered an expedited path to US citizenship as an extra incentive to serve.

But some Pentagon officials have doubt over the number of recruits who would actually qualify for the MAVNI program.

“We’re just not sure how many within that existing population of DACA would have the linguistic skills to qualify,” said one defense official familiar with the policy change. “These are kids who entered the country at a fairly young age and have basically grown up in the United States, so the limit of their language talents would probably be the language that they received at home.”

The Pentagon’s move is part of a wider effort by the Obama administration to ease pressure on immigrants and integrate them into American society. It comes amid frustration in the White House with the failure of Congress to pass a substantial immigration reform.


What could possibly go wrong? Rolling Eyes
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Post  lily Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:10 pm

He's manipulating every which way.  

What could go wrong?  Oh let me think......mad
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Post  bb1 Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:22 pm

http://news.sky.com/story/1345307/armed-ex-convict-allowed-in-lift-with-obama

Armed Ex-Convict Allowed In Lift With Obama
The latest Secret Service embarrassment is revealed hours after the agency's chief is scolded for a White House security breach.


Do they mean 'embarrassment' or 'failed plot'? Pcorneater
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Post  bb1 Fri Oct 03, 2014 5:51 pm

http://rt.com/news/192880-biden-isis-us-allies/

Biden blames US allies in Middle East for rise of ISIS

US Vice-President Joe Biden has accused America’s key allies in the Middle East of allowing the rise of the Islamic State (IS), saying they supported extremists with money and weapons in their eagerness to oust the Assad regime in Syria.

America’s “biggest problem” in Syria is its regional allies, Biden told students at the John F. Kennedy Jr. Forum at the Institute of Politics at Harvard University on Thursday.

“Our allies in the region were our largest problem in Syria,” he said, explaining that Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the UAE were “so determined to take down Assad,” that in a sense they started a “proxy Sunni-Shia war” by pouring “hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of thousands of tons of weapons” towards anyone who would fight against Assad.

“And we could not convince our colleagues to stop supplying them,” said Biden, thus disassociating the US from unleashing the civil war in Syria.

“The outcome of such a policy now is more visible,” he said, as it turned out they supplied extremists from Al-Nusra Front and Al-Qaeda.

All of a sudden the regional powers that sponsored anti-Assad rebels awakened to the dawn of a major international security threat in the face of ISIS – now called Islamic State. After being essentially thrown out of Iraq it found open space and territory in eastern Syria and established close ties with the Al-Nusra Front which the US had earlier declared a terrorist group.

Now Washington needs a coalition of Sunni states to fight the Islamic State because “America can't once again go in to Muslim nation and be the aggressor, it has to be led by Sunnis, to attack a Sunni organization [the IS],” Biden said, acknowledging that it is for the first time that the US uses a geopolitical strategy.

“Even if we wanted it to be, it cannot be our fight alone,” Biden said. “This cannot be turned into a US ground war against another Arab nation in the Middle East.”


Er, what? Biden another one with dementia, is he? 'Forgotten' all about those nice rebels the US was arming and training?

I can't see this going down any too well in the Middle East; the countries he's accusing may be allies of convenience, but that doesn't mean there is any love lost for the US. Especially when Washington is blaming other people for its own foul-ups.
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