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Post  Pedro Silva on Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:42 am

My friends, this was taken from Correio da Manhã newspaper:

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/ultima-hora/encontrada-2-caixa-negra

Ukraine

Found 2. ª black box

A Malaysia Airlines plane crashed, this Thursday, on the border between Russia and Ukraine. Followed the edge of the device, a Boeing 777, 295 people. There are no survivors. The flight was from Amsterdam and was bound for Kuala Lumpur. (See video at end of text)

10h06: A family boarded the flight MH17 not for lack of seats. Meet the unlikely story.

9:50 a.m.: The Secretary of State for Communities, Joseph Cesario, said that the probability of Portuguese on board the plane that crashed in Ukraine "is remote."

9:45 a.m.: Those responsible for the shooting that hit the Malaysian plane over eastern Ukraine, on Thursday, should be tried at the International Criminal Court in The Hague, defended the Ukrainian Prime Minister, accusing "the Russians' involvement in the case.

9:30 a.m.: The Minister of Transport of Malaysia said that 15 of 16 Asian airlines make the same route of the plane that crashed down over Ukraine. Regarding the possibility of Malaysia Airlines plane was shot down, Liow Tiong Lai believes that this will be an outrage against human decency.

9:21 a.m.: Malaysia sends 62 people team to Ukraine.

9:15 a.m.: Members of the Ukrainian Ministry of Emergency seek bodies near the site in Grabovo, in the Donetsk region.

8:50 a.m.: Malaysia Airlines is trying to organize safe access to relatives of victims of the plane to the location in eastern Ukraine, where the Boeing 777 crashed having killed all people on board, a spokesman from Amsterdam said.

8:36 a.m.: Russian President Vladimir Putin in a phone call with Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte called for a "thorough and impartial" investigation of the accident involving the plane that crashed in Malaysia in eastern Ukraine.

8:30 a.m.: Ukraine closed the airspace of the regions of this country, which follows a security operation against separatist pro-Russian.

8:20 a.m.: Malaysia Airlines said the downed by a missile in eastern Ukraine tickets had gone on all maintenance inspections and that was in good condition after 17 years of service.

8:14 a.m.: We found the second black box from the plane. The device was recovered by the teams that are on the site of the clash of the device.

8:10 a.m.: The U.S. authorities confirm that Malaysia Airlines plane that crashed near the border of Ukraine with Russia was shot down by a surface to air missile.

July 18

00.15: Hundreds of people gather tonight at the Dutch embassy in Ukraine to remember the victims.

23.35: The New York Stock Exchange closed lower today after the Malaysian passenger plane crash in eastern Ukraine, who allegedly was shot down, with fearful of the economic consequences of the escalation of tension in the region investors.

23h30: Ukrainian President Obama and say that the wreck should remain intact for investigations.

23h00: The nationalities of the victims have been released: 154 Dutch, 27 Australians, 3 Filipinos, a Canadian, six British, 23 Malays, eleven Indonesians, four German and four Belgian. The board would still be four French and American 23. Are yet to identify nationalities of 47 passengers.

22h17: The Security Council of the United Nations called on Friday for an emergency meeting on the situation in Ukraine.

22h00: Remember the disappearance of flight MH370 in March this year. Interestingly, the same model of Boeing (777-200ER) who was gunned down in Ukraine.

21h21: The Portuguese airline TAP - Air Portugal said on Thursday that "does not use the Ukrainian airspace" where, in the east, crashed a plane of Malaysian Airlines, allegedly shot down by a missile. After several European and an American have announced the suspension of flights over eastern Ukraine and the European security organization and Air Navigation (Eurocontrol) airlines have restricted this space, TAP - Air Portugal clarified Lusa not uses.

20h54: The European security organization and Air Navigation (Eurocontrol) announced the closure of airspace in eastern Ukraine, following the crash of the plane of Malaysia Airlines, in that region of Ukraine. The Ukrainian authorities closed all routes flying over the east of the country, announced the Eurocontrol.

20h25: Explore the history of the passenger who shared a photo of the plane, even before ambarcar MH-17 flight on Malaysia Airlines.

20h15: A Separatist command indicated that the pro-federalist rebels shot down a Russian military transport plane Ukrainian An-26 at about the same time and in the place where it crashed on Thursday the aircraft of airlines of Malaysia. Igor Strelkov (Guirkine), "defense minister" of the "People's Republic of Donetsk", put on your social network page on Facebook a video that shows a thick cloud of smoke rising from the crash site of the downed machine. The video is very similar to previous images uploaded on Youtube and identified as the crash of Malaysia Airlines. "We just shoot down a AN-26 near Snijne 'wrote at 13h37 UTC (14h37 in Lisbon).

20h05: IATA, International Air Transport Association, believes that the aircraft was not in restricted airspace.

20:02: The Russian president gives his condolences to the Malaysian Prime Minister.

20h00: Pro-Russian separatists say they have found the 'black box' of the aircraft.

SITE LAST FLIGHT MH17 CONTACT WITH CONTROL TOWER

19h55: 'It is our priority. Gave directions to the National Security team to be in touch with the Ukrainian Government. The United States will offer any assistance they can to help determine what happened and why. As a country, our prayers and our thoughts are with the families of the passengers and their countries, "Obama said at a press conference in Delaware.

19h50: Explore in detail the model of the Boeing 777-200ER

19h13: The French Minister of Foreign estrageiros advances that were at least four French inside the plane, reports Reuters.

THE MOMENT WHEN THE PLANE TAKES OFF FROM AMSTERDAM was captured by a photographer

18h57: The Portuguese Government is unaware, for now, if there were Portuguese aboard Malaysia Airlines plane that crashed on Thursday in eastern Ukraine with 295 people on board, said the Secretary of State for Communities. "The General Directorate of Consular Affairs is making every possible effort in order to know if there are Portuguese or lusodescendentes the passengers on the plane," said Jose Cesario Lusa. The minister also said that this case is the subject of investigations and that the airline is not to disclose information.

18h53: The Russian emergency services ask permission to Kiev to help in rescue efforts.

18h52: Petro Poroshenko, the Ukrainian president, says the cause of the crash was "an act of terrorism." "This is not an incident, it's not a catastrophe, it is an act of terrorism."

18h44: The Minister of Interior Ukrainian forward who died more than 300 people on this flight. Among the passengers were 23 U.S. citizens.

18h42: The Dutch prime minister was at a meeting in Brussels and is now on the way from Holland.

"I am deeply shocked by the information received dramatic fall flight MH17 from Malaysia airlines," said the prime minister has not yet come into contact with the Ukrainian president.

Several travel agencies have confirmed to the Dutch press that sold tens Dutch ticket for that flight.

18h36: Several airlines have said they refuse to fly over Ukrainian airspace and has canceled flights. Among the companies are Lufthansa, Russian airline Transaero and Aerofolt and the company Turkish Airlines.

18h17: "The Russian president informed the President of the United States of information from air traffic controllers who had arrived moments before the telephone conversation and indicated that the plane had crashed in Ukraine," the Kremlin said in a statement.

18h15: Najib Razak, the Malaysian prime minister, it says "shocked" by the information that is coming on the plane and have started investigations. The Prime Minister spoke out on twitter.

18h10: Ukraine closed the airspace around Donetsk about 90 minutes after the plane disappeared from radar.

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17:30: Lufthansa decided to avoid flying over Ukrainian airspace. Decision with immediate effect.

17h29: Russian President Vladimir Putin is currently meeting with the U.S. President, Barack Obama, in Ukraine to discuss the crash.

17h28: Aleksander Borodai, separatist leader, the Ukrainian forces blamed for the slaughter of the plane. Kiev denied the involvement of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

17h27: Dozens of bodies are scattered around the smoldering wreckage. The description was taken by a Reuters journalist.

The ministry "Emergencies", according to Reuters, advances that were found at least 100 bodies scattered over an area about 15 kilometers up the wreckage.

LOCAL FALL FLIGHT MH17

17h25: Petro Poroshenko, Ukrainian President does not exclude the plane was shot down but guarantees the Interfax news agency that the Ukrainian armed forces are not involved in the slaughter of the plane.

"This is the third case of this kind in recent days after the An-26 and SU-25 aircraft were shot down. We do not exclude that this plane was also knocked down and point out that the armed forces of Ukraine did not have any action that aims at destroying targets in the air, "said the press service of the Ukrainian president.

17h20: Ukrainian Prime Minister Areseny Yatseniuk ordered an investigation into the "disaster of the plane" in eastern Ukraine. The news was forwarded by spokeswoman Olga Lappo.

17:15: Anton Gerashchenko, the Ukrainian Interior Minister, told Interfax news agency that the plane was shot down near the city of Donetsk by a surface to air missile. The tickets have been slaughtered in Torez near Shakhtersk, about 40 km from the border with Russia. This area has been parlo of clashes between troops and Ukrainian pro-Russian rebels. The Ukrainian authorities advance that residents found the plane wreckage.

16:55: Anton Gerashenko, advisor to the minister of Interior of Ukraine, said on her Facebook page that the plane was flying at an altitude of 10,000 meters (33,000 feet), when he was hit by a shot of a Buk missile launcher. A similar launch was seen by Associated Press journalists, near the eastern Ukrainian city of Snizhne, on Thursday morning.

16h50: Malaysia Airlines, posted on his Twitter account that the company "has lost contact with the MH17 flight". The last known position was over Ukrainian airspace ".

16h45: Russian Agency says the plane was shot down by a surface to air missile. Disappeared from radar at 10 thousand feet.

280 passengers and 15 crew members died according to statements of the Ukrainian Interior Minister of the Russian agency Interfax.

The aircraft, Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777, which made the connection between Amsterdam and Kuala Lumpur, disappeared on Thursday radars in Ukraine at an altitude of 10,000 meters, police sources Ukrainian to Russian news agency Interfax.

According to a source from the Ukrainian security forces quoted by Interfax-Ukraine, a group of rescuers of the Ministry of Emergency Situations was directed to the site. The handset has lost communication with Earth in the eastern Donetsk region, near the town of Shaktarsk, and the scene of fighting between government forces and Ukrainian federalist rebels pro-Russian.
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Post  bb1 on Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:34 am

Brilliant, Pedro. Just one thing....this business of the FB internet postings may not be kosher.

The person that did the original shouting about it is an ex-US general, and the site most of it was repeated on is Radio Free Europe aka the CIA. And the account is claimed to be a clone.

I would treat ANYTHING concerning this that involves the internet with the same suspicion as anything from Morais and co. Likewise anything from the Chocolate President.

It is unlikely, but not impossible, that the rebels have these missiles.

It is 100% certain that the Ukrainian forces do, and were photographed moving them round the area a few days ago.

I hope the accident investigators are allowed to do their work without any 'help'.

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Post  bb1 on Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:46 am

Ignorant fool in Sky comments:

e f 2 hours ago
Putin will refuse to acknowledge where the Ukraine is. but ask him, what would be his reaction if a Russian civil aircraft was shot down over the Ukraine...he would be in kiev in 24 hours with about 20,000 tanks, no questions asked.


The world knows what his reaction would be, because Ukraine HAS shot down a Russian airliner before:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/1359353/Ukraine-admits-it-shot-down-Russian-airliner.html

Ukraine admits it shot down Russian airliner
By Ben Aris in Moscow12:01AM BST 13 Oct 2001
Ukraine finally admitted yesterday that its military shot down a Russian airliner that crashed into the Black Sea last week, killing all 78 passengers and crew.
Evhen Marchuk, the chairman of Ukraine's security council, conceded that the plane had probably been brought down by "an accidental hit from an S-200 rocket fired during exercises".
Russian investigators believe a missile exploded near the plane, spraying it with shrapnel. Russian and Israeli scientists found metal pellets in the victims and in the fuselage.
Vladimir Rushailo, the chairman of Russia's security council, said: "The investigation has found that the disaster resulted from a strike by a warhead from an anti-aircraft missile."
Although both Russia and Ukraine were almost certainly aware of the cause from the start, it took eight days for Ukraine to accept responsibility.


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It's clowns like McCain and co that foam at the mouth for blood that are the danger in situations like this.

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Post  bb1 on Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:55 am

Oh no!

http://m.smh.com.au/national/crash-claims-top-aids-researchers-heading-to-melbourne-20140718-zuaw3.html

About 100 of the 298 people killed in the Malaysia Airlines crash were heading to Melbourne for a major AIDS conference, conference attendees have been told.
Delegates at a pre-conference in Sydney were told on Friday morning that about 100 medical researchers, health workers and activists were on the plane that went down near the Russia-Ukraine border, including former International AIDS Society president Joep Lange.
Health researcher Clive Aspin, who is attending the pre-conference, said the news had hit everyone hard, coming 16 years after AIDS research pioneer Jonathan Mann also died in a plane crash.
"Yet again, we're devastated by a similar tragedy," he said. "It's going to be a very sombre mood at the conference in Melbourne, especially for those of us who have been coming to these conferences for many years."
Organisers of the International AIDS Conference, due to begin in Melbourne on Sunday , have not released numbers, but did confirm expected attendees were among the dead.

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Post  lily on Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:32 pm

80 children were on board....... Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad 


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2697010/Faces-innocent-victims-Melbourne-real-estate-agent-wife-student-leading-AIDS-doctors-confirmed-dead-Flight-MH17-terrorist-attack-killed-298-people-board.html
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Post  bb1 on Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:33 pm

http://news.sky.com/story/1302883/malaysia-plane-crash-in-ukraine-live-updates

Statement from Malaysia Airlines:
MH17 filed a flight plan requesting to fly at 35,000ft throughout Ukrainian airspace. This is close to the ‘optimum’ altitude. However, an aircraft’s altitude in flight is determined by air traffic control on the ground. Upon entering Ukrainian airspace, MH17 was instructed by Ukrainian air traffic control to fly at 33,000ft.


It also appears that the plane wasn't on its normal flightpath over the area.

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Post  Sabot on Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:27 pm

lily wrote:80 children were on board....... Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad 


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2697010/Faces-innocent-victims-Melbourne-real-estate-agent-wife-student-leading-AIDS-doctors-confirmed-dead-Flight-MH17-terrorist-attack-killed-298-people-board.html

Dear God, I feel sick. 80 children, and it wasn't even an accident. This has got to be a F*cking War Crime.
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Post  bb1 on Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:39 pm

Depends on the circumstances, and who did it, and why, Sabot. It's far too early to be jumping to conclusions.

It wasn't regarded as a war crime when the US Navy shot down Iran Air Flight 655, claiming to mistake a lumbering great airbus with 290 on board, for a fighter jet, for instance. It's widely believed that the somewhat cavalier attitude the US took to that - blaming the airbus and giving the crew of the Vincennes medals - is what led to the bombing of Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie a few months later, in revenge.

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Post  muratfan on Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:43 pm

Ukrainian airspace control is run by the military, so I huesa they would know it was a passenger plane.
The leader of the separatists posted virtually the same time, MH71 went down. He was boasting that they shot down a bird.
Sorry, seems to me Russia itself had a hand in this. After days of getting their planes shot out the sky, the air force fly higher, out of range of the missiles, until Russia lent them some
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Post  muratfan on Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:45 pm

Russia have also shot down a passenger airliner as well. The russians also showed up quickly to secure the black box from that crash too.
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Post  bb1 on Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:52 pm

Problem with that, muratfan, is that it wasn't him doing the boasting, it was a fake/clone account. All sorts of stuff was slung together by someone in the minutes after the plane went down but hasn't passed the sniff test.

Aren't you intrigued that Kiev knew within minutes that the plane had been shot down, and didn't just have an accident? Or even a bomb on board?

I am not taking anything at all for granted about this, there's too much wierdness about it.

Another thing - if the US KNEW it wasn't their allies = it had to be the rebels, somehow, then Obama wouldn't have come out with his usual waffle. The chance to dictate to Putin would have been handed to him on a plate.

And why did the US think there were 23 Americans on it at first?

A good few countries have shot down airliners, including Ukraine previously, so I am taking heed of that old saying about Truth being the first casualty of war......

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Post  muratfan on Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:45 pm

All I know is that there will be war soon unless its sorted
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Post  Sabot on Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:54 pm

muratfan wrote:All I know is that there will be war soon unless its sorted

No, No Chance, Muratfan. They are all far too interested in their own survival. They will bicker and bitch and then do nothing. None of them died.
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Post  bb1 on Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:55 pm

Well, the neo-cons have been desperate to start another war for months.

In the meanwhile, I suggest we all reflect on, amongst other fck-ups used as excuses to start wars:

The Gulf of Tonkin - America got its war.

'Iraq has WMDs they are going to use against us' - America got its war.

'Assad has used gas on his own people - we must have a war.'


Thank the Lord America didn't get its war that time, what with it turning out that the 'nice rebels' had done it, with help from Turkey, in the hope of starting a wider war.

One good rule of thumb - whatever McCain says, the exact opposite is generally the truth. He's the ShuBob of politics and international affairs.

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Post  Lamplighter on Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:57 pm

What's a ShuBob? LL
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Post  bb1 on Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:01 pm

That idiot woman on not-Bennett's site that is 100% wrong about everything, 100% of the time, LL.

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Post  Lamplighter on Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:09 pm

bb1 wrote:That idiot woman on not-Bennett's site that is 100% wrong about everything, 100% of the time, LL.
Thanks, I sometimes get confused with all these weird names. I'm all for a simple life. LL  study 
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Post  Sabot on Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:13 pm

Lamplighter wrote:
bb1 wrote:That idiot woman on not-Bennett's site that is 100% wrong about everything, 100% of the time, LL.
Thanks, I sometimes get confused with all these weird names.   I'm all for a simple life.   LL   study 

ShuBob has been around for a hundred years. But it has become a little more lucid recently. I don't think it likes Bennett very much.
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Post  bb1 on Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:18 pm


ShuBob has been around for a hundred years.

So's McCain. He's never been quite right in the head since Vietnam.

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Post  Pedro Silva on Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:42 pm

I agree with: "I hope the accident investigators are allowed to do their work without any 'help'."
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Post  lily on Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:44 pm

I can say with 100% honesty, it gets me really upset.

Although I used to like him years ago, McCain is the same as the rest when you get right down to it......
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Post  Sabot on Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:49 pm

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ShuBob has been around for a hundred years.

So's McCain. He's never been quite right in the head since Vietnam.

Yep. I thought I had heard his name before. McCain, I meant. Vice President?. No one at all actually. And even he knows that.

Do you know, should I ever be so fortunate, the one one job I would never accept would be Vice president of The United States.

Does anyone remember anyone who ever was?
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Post  Lamplighter on Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:53 pm

Spiro Agnew. Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon, Lyndon B Johnson, Harry Truman - to name but a few. LL
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Post  bb1 on Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:54 pm

I think he's plain and simply too old to cope with dirty tricks in the 21st century, Lily. I doubt if he intended to pose with 'nice rebels' who turned out to be Al-Nusrah, or 'gallant Ukrainians' who turned out to be Right Sektor. He's stuck in the past when it was always the Russkis that got blamed.

Speaking of, this comment on ZeroHedge sounds like it may be close to the truth...

here is my best guess as to what went down...

Kiev posts an air defense battery in the area because Moscow has threatened airstrikes and cruise missile attacks after a series of cross border shellings, one of which killed a Russian civilian making this an extremely high tension situation and a disaster waiting to happen.

for reasons unknown, intentionally or unintentionally putting the aircraft in danger, Kiev flight control orders the 777 to change it's flight path over Donetsk, an area where most airlines have been avoiding. at which point the BUK's radar detects an aircraft flying over what is supposed to be restricted airspace and without using proper IFF procedure, again intentionally or unintentionally, fires on the civilian aircraft shooting it down.

then the propaganda machine swings into action like always, without providing any proof or evidence blames the eastern separatists and Russia despite the glaring fact that neither would gain anything by committing this act and stand to lose a great deal if this farce is accepted as fact and goes unchallenged.

the only real mystery to be solved, as I see it, is did the Ukrainian military intentionally shoot down the 777, or was it truly an accident and a case of "never let a crises go to waste" ?


It would fit in with my 'fkc-up' theory. Kiev denying having these missiles in the area, when their troops had been photographed with them only a few days before, might well be a clue....

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Does anyone remember anyone who ever was?

LBJ? Gerald Ford?

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