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Post  lily Sat Oct 25, 2014 3:33 pm

I do so hope you get your wish.  hug
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Post  bb1 Sat Oct 25, 2014 3:39 pm

I see no way any of it is going to carry on as before, Lily. I don't think anyone can calculate what happens when Scots MPs and MSPs are predominantly pro-independence, and Farage is playing Kingmaker in Westminster.

Wales has a degree of devolution, but not as much as Scotland; unhappily for them, Labour has been running their Assembly and appear to have made a complete mess of everything. Except shoving their noses in the trough, of course.
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Post  lily Sat Oct 25, 2014 3:47 pm

Nu labour has form for troughing, I believe,  so what else is new?
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Post  bb1 Sat Oct 25, 2014 3:58 pm

This was just a council byelection, but is a useful straw in the wind:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/snp-by-election-win-reflects-surge-in-party-support-following-the-indyref.1414145516

SNP Councillor Iain MacLean won the by-election for the ward of Argyll and Bute Council, the first vote to be held in Scotland since the indyref, after receiving 40.9% of the vote, a 16.3% boost on its total in the previous by-election held on July 17 2014.

Labour and Conservative both scored a lower vote share, down 1.9% and 2.8% respectively, and the Liberal Democrats did not field a candidate.

The by-election was called following the death of independent Councillor John MacGregor.

Michael Russell MSP said: "This is a tremendous result and I'm delighted for Councillor Iain MacLean; I have no doubt that he will serve all the people of Oban North and Lorn with dedication.

"Significantly this by-election - which is the first since the referendum - mirrors the very positive polling on party ratings since the referendum.

"The victory here in Oban North and Lorn reflects a wider surge in support for the SNP as more and more people have come to realise that the SNP is the only major party that will represent all the people of Scotland, hold the Westminster government to account, by ensuring that Scotland is given the extensive new powers we were promised two days before the referendum.

"The Westminster parties were all losers last night, with a drop in support for Labour and Tory, and the Lib Dems not even bothering to field a candidate in a constituency where they have a sitting MP."


That is a HUGE swing to the SNP.

I didn't see it, but I gather Alex Salmond was the star of Question Time from Liverpool last week, and won new fans by suggesting Liverpool secedes from England and joins Scotland.....
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Post  lily Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:53 pm

Wow!!!  What a thought.
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Post  bb1 Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:36 pm

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Post  lily Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:52 pm

Karma at work again?
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Post  bb1 Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:56 pm

http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/297361-brown-wont-enter-the-race-to-be-the-next-scottish-labour-leader/

Gordon Brown will not enter the race to be the next leader of Scottish Labour, a source close to the former prime minister has confirmed.

The Kirkcaldy MP was tipped as a possible replacement for Johann Lamont following her bitter resignation on Friday, with some party members holding him up as a unifying figure amid increasingly divergent views on the future direction of the party.

A source close to Mr Brown said: "For the past four years, and on every occasion he has been asked, Mr Brown has made it clear he is not returning to frontline politics. That position has not changed."

Deputy leader Anas Sarwar MP and MSPs Jenny Marra and Kezia Dugdale, who were all widely tipped to enter the leadership race, also ruled themselves out ton Monday alongside bookmakers' outsider Jackie Baillie MSP.

The stage appears to be set for Blairite shadow international development secretary Jim Murphy and Holyrood left-winger Neil Findlay as the likely front-runners.

Mr Murphy emerged as a prominent Labour unionist voice in the independence referendum campaign, sparking heated debates from his soapbox around Scotland with his attempted 100 towns in 100 days tour.

Mr Findlay has criticised Labour's cautious devolution proposals as a member of the left-wing Red Paper Collective, which has called for full devolution of income tax, wider borrowing powers, the power to create publicly owned enterprises and the right to challenge the deployment of nuclear weapons.

Ms Lamont attacked senior colleagues at Westminster when she resigned on Friday, accusing them of treating Scotland as a "branch office".


Too funny, not even Broon wants to be the Boss. I haven't laughed so much since The Rangers went bust and got kicked down the leagues.

Oh, and I think using borrowed money to create 'publicly owned enterprises' - a contradiction in terms - has been tried decades ago and failed every single time.
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Post  bb1 Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:55 pm

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/poll-labour-would-be-left-with-four-seats-in-scotland-if-general-election.1414679885

The Ipsos Mori poll for STV News found that 52% of Scots would vote for the SNP if there was a Westminster election tomorrow.

The poll puts Labour support at 23%, support for Conservatives at 10%, Liberal Democrats at 6%, the Greens on 6%, and others at 3%.

The findings, according to the Electoral Calculus website, which takes the breakdown in this poll and then assumes uniform swings across Scotland's 59 constituencies, regardless of local factors, predicts the SNP would secure 54 seats at Westminster, with Labour taking four and the Liberal Democrats one. The Tories would loses their solitary Scottish seat.

At the 2010 election, Labour received 42% of the Scottish vote and the SNP 19.9%.

The Electoral Calculus analysis of today's poll figures would slash Labour's 40 current Scottish MPs. Seats in jeopardy would include Jim Murphy, Douglas Alexander and Margaret Curran.

The only Scottish Labour MPs who would survive would be Willie Bain in Glasgow North East, Tom Clarke in Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill, Gordon Brown in Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath and Ian Davidson in Glasgow South West.


Remind me again, who was it that won the election, and who lost? biggrin
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Post  Sabot Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:24 pm

I think we all knew that something like this was going to happen. What a glorious cock up.
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Post  bb1 Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:35 pm

IMO, one of the reasons it's happening, that the YESes haven't gone back into their boxes, is that it was such a horrible, dirty, dishonest campaign, with everyone from Obama down - or up - joining in to threaten Scotland. And the black propaganda from the media, especially the BBC, was an eye opener.

Then the votes were barely counted before the Vowers went back on their word, new wars were started, more oil miraculously found.....and of course, the 'Scottish' Labour party started openly backstabbing each other.

A lot of folk, even if they aren't staunchly pro-independent, now see the SNP as our only protection against whatever fresh horrors are being cooked up in Westminster. Especially if England votes for some ghastly coalition of Tories/UKIP.

Interesting times ahead. I did say a narrow NO win would be the worst of all possible results...even a narrow YES win would have given folk something positive to work towards and aim for.

I suspect we are going to have several years of feuding between Edinburgh and Westminster, with a growing SNP vote. And in the not too distant future a big YES win.
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Post  bb1 Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:07 pm

This is how the Holyrood elections in 2011 went:

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You can see the wipeout of unionist parties starting there. Most of the unionist MSPs got there by the proportional representation vote, not the first-past-the-post vote.
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Post  bb1 Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:22 pm

It's also worth remembering that the SNP have been the party of government in Scotland for seven years now, and have done a pretty good job of it. Of course they've made mistakes, every government does, but on the whole, they've done nothing but good for Scotland on a very limited budget.

Conventional wisdom is that people tend to vote against the incumbent government after a few years, not for the incumbent government to get more and more popular.
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Post  bb1 Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:44 pm

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Post  lily Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:49 pm

Oh dear....Pcorneater
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Post  Sabot Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:51 am

This above all, to thine own self be true.  Thou cans't not then be false to any man.


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Post  bb1 Fri Oct 31, 2014 11:09 am

Scottish Labour were bought and sold for London gold, Sabot. Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
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Post  lily Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:28 pm

Then there is that other saying........ everything comes to he who waits. Pcorneater
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Post  bb1 Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:12 pm

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/poll-66-of-scots-want-another-indyref-in-the-next-10-years.1414764259

Poll: 66% of Scots want another indyref in the next 10 years
Friday 31 October 2014
Two-thirds of Scots want another independence referendum to be held in the next 10 years while more than half think a vote on the country's future should take place within just five years, a new poll has revealed.

A total of 66% said they backed another referendum within a decade, regardless of the circumstances, according to the survey by Ipsos MORI.

The research, which was carried out for STV News, also found that regardless of what happens, 58% of people support having another vote in the next five years.

The polling firm questioned 1,029 people in Scotland for the survey, which was conducted between October 22 and 29.

More than half (53%) of people said they supported having another referendum if the Conservatives win a majority in next year's general election while 54% said a vote on Scotland's future in the UK should take place if the Tories win in May but do not have any MPs north of the border.

Meanwhile, 55% are in favour of a second independence referendum if the UK votes to leave the European Union in 2017.

Mark Diffley, research director at Ipsos MORI said he was "not particularly surprised" by the findings.

He said the September 18 referendum had generated an "unprecedented" interest in politics, with turnout in the vote reaching 85%.

Mr Diffley added: "As 45% of people voted Yes, you would imagine all of them would want another referendum.

"In terms of No voters, they could want another referendum for a variety of reasons, they are maybe somewhat disappointed with what has happened since in terms of extra powers and there may be people who were tempted to vote Yes but didn't go through with it who would like the opportunity to have the debate again."


Remind me again, who won and who lost? Because the Scots weren't supposed to enjoy that one so much, they want another one ASAP. rofl rofl
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Post  lily Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:24 pm

roflroflroflroflroflroflrofl
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Post  Lamplighter Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:36 pm

George Parker, Political Editor, Financial Times

Alistair Darling, the former chancellor, is to stand down as an MP at the next election, in a further blow to a Scottish Labour party which has collapsed in the opinion polls and now faces a leadership vacuum.
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But Mr Darling insisted the time was right for him to step aside while he was “still relatively young” and threw his support behind Jim Murphy as the person best placed to restore the party’s fortunes north of the border.

Mr Darling, 60, told the Financial Times he was “frustrated” that the Labour party had not used September’s independence referendum – which the No campaign won by a “decisive” margin of 55:45 per cent – as a springboard.

Johann Lamont resigned last month as Scotland’s Labour leader, with some opinion polls giving the Scottish National party more than 50 per cent of the vote and predicting near annihilation for Labour at next May’s election.

“My frustration is that we actually won,” he said. “You can’t say it often enough. We made the arguments, we had confidence in ourselves.” He hopes that Mr Murphy, the combative former Scottish secretary, can pick up the pieces.

He fears that unless Labour can halt the SNP advance, Scotland would soon be confronted with another independence referendum. “Most people in Scotland don’t want to be living in Neverendum Land,” he said.

Mr Darling said David Cameron had been “unwise” to inflame sentiment by linking further devolution to Scotland to the issue of “English votes for English laws” – including possibly barring Scottish MPs from voting on income tax at Westminster.

He said such a move would create “inherent instability” and could be disastrous in a future financial crisis, if the markets felt that a UK government did not have full control over the ability to raise income tax at Westminster.

“If you can’t raise money it has huge repercussions not just on what you can spend on your creditworthiness,” he said.

Mr Darling, who chaired the Better Together campaign, said he hoped to use his experience by helping a campaign to keep Britain in Europe in a future referendum, saying that such a vote now seemed inevitable at some point whoever wins the next election.

“It’s a boil that has to be lanced,” he said, but warned that the Scottish referendum had shown the danger of ceding too much ground to your opponents. “If you sit back and wait till the other lot have taken so much ground then you’re on the back foot,” he said. “You pay a heavy price.”

Meanwhile he urged Labour to tackle a sense of despair among voters by promising major investment in housing and transport infrastructure – funded by more borrowing at low rates of interest – to put the economic recovery on a stable footing.
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backstab Oops, there goes another SLAB high heid yin...

OMG, I didn't see that one coming, LL! I actually don't think Labour in Scotland can be saved - they are NEVER going to be forgiven for what they did, jumping into bed with the Tories.

If they had backed independence, as many of their members wanted, YES would have won easily, and Labour would have been kings and queens of Scotland for decades. Which would have been pretty bad, now I come to think of it.... biggrin

The spectacle of ordinary Scots weeping in the streets as the results came in, while Labour celebrated with the Tories, damned them forever.

http://wingsoverscotland.com/

Is about the best blog for an all-round look at the ongoing Labour Nights of the Long Knives; the backstabbing is happening almost too fast to keep up with.
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Post  lily Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:13 pm

This is amazing.  Pcorneater
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