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Post  bb1 on Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:38 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-new-dna-hope-4508372

Madeleine McCann new DNA hope: Curtains may hold key to who took her
Oct 25, 2014 21:17 By Matthew Drake
Scotland Yard forensics want to use new ­techniques to analyse the curtains, which hung in the room where Madeleine was sleeping with her baby brother and sister

Detectives plan to do new tests on curtains which hung in the apartment where Madeleine McCann disappeared.

They believe the fabric, which has been sealed in an evidence file since three-year-old Madeleine vanished in Portugal in 2007, may hold DNA which will identify to her abductor.

Scotland Yard sent an urgent request to their counterparts in Portugal asking permission to re-examine the fabric.

Forensic experts on the Operation Grange team want to use new ­techniques to analyse the curtains, which hung in the room where Madeleine was sleeping with her baby brother and sister.

Officers are also set to re-examine 30 strands of hair found in the apartment in the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz using advanced genetic and biological testing procedures.

A team led by Det Chief Insp Andy Redwood has asked for a quick response to the request.

They think the curtains from apartment 5A will have been preserved well enough to hold traces of DNA from Madeleine’s captor.

Portugal’s Public Ministry will now decide if they are willing to hand over the material, which is being kept at the National Institute of Forensic Medicine in the city of Coimbra.

There have been significant new developments in DNA science since the initial investigation in 2007.

The first murder conviction using DNA evidence was in 1988, when baker Colin Pitchfork was found guilty of killing Lynda Mann and Dawn Ashworth, both 15, in Narborough, Leics.

Since then the UK has developed one of the largest “libraries” of DNA samples, which increases by more than 400,000 profiles every year.

DNA samples can be taken from body fluids, but also from tiny quantities of human cells left on any surface, from cups and cutlery to cigarette ends.

The increase of DNA samples being taken and stored has led to a rise in convictions, especially for crimes committed a number of years ago.

The quality of DNA can now be ­“amplified” using complex chemical processes.

A sample of DNA can also now be extracted from a single cell and laboratory robots are being used to speed up the process.

Last week Francisco Brizida, president of the Institute of Legal Medicine and Forensic Sciences, where the DNA library is held, said: “Technology now allows us to go further than years ago.”

But he said: “I wouldn’t like to be that ambitious and say the secret to unlocking the Madeleine McCann case lies in our lab.”

A Portuguese police source said: “The best hope is to pass the sample to British officers.”

Police digs in Praia da Luz and interviews with new suspects this summer ended in disappointment.

The probe run by 30 officers in Operation Grange has cost £10million.

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Post  lily on Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:43 pm

That would be wonderful if something comes of that.
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Post  Pedro Silva on Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:52 pm

I agree with lily.
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Post  bb1 on Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:24 pm

Science improves all the time, and we do know there was unidentified DNA left in 5A.

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Post  lily on Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:26 pm

Madeleine and her family deserve a break.  Wouldn't it be wonderful if this is it?
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Post  bb1 on Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:39 pm

From the police files:

286A/2007-CRL 16 & 16B Two blue curtains and one white curtain
286B/2007-CRL 1 One white section of a curtain

These curtains were analysed for traces of blood, semen and saliva, none of which were detected. The hem of one of the blue curtains (16) was swabbed to collect any cellular material that might exist. An incomplete, inconclusive DNA result consisting only of two unconfirmed DNA components was obtained. In my opinion the result is not adequate for comparison purposes. The sample was submitted for LCN analysis.

An incomplete, low-level DNA result, comprising only some DNA components, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material recovered from the hem of one the curtains. In my opinion, this result contained information too meagre to permit a meaningful interpretation.


Maybe the science has improved enough to identify it now?

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Post  Pedro Silva on Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:42 am

bb1, lily, I agree with you.
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Post  bb1 on Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:27 pm

Quote from: Montclair on Today at 09:58:48 PM
I don't know where you obtained your information but as, AFAIK, voluntary swabs are not accepted in Portugal. DNA testing can only be done through a court order.


That has to be one of the stupidest remarks I've ever seen. So, in Portugal, if people offer their DNA for whatever reason - maybe to be ruled out of an investigation? whatever - the PJ will NOT accept the sample?

They have to go to a judge and get a court order to force people to do something they had already volunteered to do?

Were court orders needed for all of the DNA samples listed in the police files? I hardly think so. It's glaringly obvious that all concerned volunteered their DNA - and why wouldn't they?

It's something that is totally routine in the UK.


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Post  lily on Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:49 pm

Isn't she the sister of a girlfriend of Amoral?  Or is that someone else.
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Post  bb1 on Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:50 pm

Ah yes, there is indeed some connection, I believe. But I've forgotten what it is....

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Post  Pedro Silva on Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:41 pm

these new DNA samples are going to be sent to UK laboratories for further tests about those who these samples to belongs to see if more is discovered about the abductor.
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Post  bb1 on Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:23 am

Just a few of the many reasons why the CartofMuck piece is pish:

http://www.stopthemyths.info/viewtopic.php?f=115&t=7190&sid=f33fd124098ea189042b355cd8e45365


CdaM's reporter extraordinaire doesn't seem to have realised that 25 REFERENCE samples sent to the PT lab were voluntary mouth swabs (and may include Madeleine's heel-test if they'd been given a copy of the profile by the time of that report, as I haven't counted them all yet).

The only blood identified as such was on a wall somewhere in PdL, in Burgau and possibly somewhere else (to double-check), but none in 5A, nor even in the Scenic. The only reason to assume that there may have been blood in either was because Keela reacted.


As for the Express regurgitating it without a second's though - didn't they learn the folly of trusting Portuguese Sauces in 2007?

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Post  bb1 on Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:19 pm

Forker:

pretty amazing really how all this is in the public domain when SY say they wont speak about the investigation.

Nothing 'amazing' about it at all, it's only CdM making up sh*te from police sources (aka Gonzo) again, just like they did seven years ago.

Have they all forgotten the financial stake CdM has in smearing and telling lies about the McCanns, and the investigation?

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Post  Pedro Silva on Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:12 pm

I agree with comments above written.
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Post  bb1 on Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:44 pm

All of this is coming out of Portugal, and very little of it is official, so it is all, IMO, best taken with a bucket of salt.

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Post  bb1 on Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:05 pm


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Post  bb1 on Fri Oct 31, 2014 11:07 pm



It appears to be about the vile old pervert that was arrested in Malta.

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Post  bb1 on Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:41 am

Amazing the garbage the Truthseekers still regurgitate:

Didn't Kate say that she washed the curtains because the twins had dirtied them, or is that another fórum myth?

Forum myth.

As are all stories involving bleach, fridges, Chaplins, hairdressers, etc.

You know, if any of them ever bothered to read the ALL of the police files, and UNDERSTAND them, especially the forensics, they would instantly grasp why the grown-ups in the police, etc, know - not 'think', KNOW that the McCanns are guilty of nothing more than making a bad decision with disastrous consequences.

But there's no danger of them ever getting brave enough to do that, they'd rather believe lies churned out by Team Gonzo as part of his ongoing vendetta. Oh, and Vera's hairdresser, naturally.

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Post  lily on Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:17 pm

The love GOSSIP.  Plain and simple.
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Post  bb1 on Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:34 am

Morais has cranked the Gonzo propaganda machine into life once more:

by Marisa Rodrigues

New witnesses of the English investigation to Madeleine McCann's disappearance are going to be questioned at the request of Scotland Yard (SY). The fifth letter rogatory is already in the hands of the Judiciary Police (PJ), who will now have to schedule the questionings.

The new Public Ministry prosecutor, to whom the Maddie process was recently attributed, authorized the questionings and forward the letter to the South PJ Directory, in Faro, so they can be carried out. JN was able to establish that there are about ten witnesses and that all of them are going to be questioned for the first time within the scope of the English investigation. Some of them are, however, already known to the Portuguese investigation and they had nothing relevant to say regarding the English child who disappeared seven years ago in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve.

Even though the English police has expressed their interest in questioning again the four men constituted as arguidos [formal suspects], that were questioned back in July, the English ended up leaving them out of this letter rogatory, which arrived to the Public Ministry in August. These new investigative steps should take place in the very same manner as it happened three months ago, with a notice for the witnesses to appear at the PJ headquarters. When the date is set, Scotland Yard may then request to the National PJ Directory to be present, without being able to intervene, just as before.

Last time they were in Portugal, on the 14th October, the English police expressed their desire to make a new letter rogatory (the sixth) requesting for the re-analyses of the samples that had been collected in the apartment from where Madeleine disappeared, namely hair samples and the fabric belonging to a curtain.

In a meeting at the National Institute of Forensic Medicine (INML), in Coimbra, which gathered detectives and forensic experts, Andy Redwood's team also spoke about the possibility that some of the samples could be taken to England and analysed in a private lab. Until the end of the afternoon, yesterday, no request had been made in that sense to the Public Ministry of Portimão, whose role is to assess and decide on the letters rogatory.

in Jornal de Notícias, paper edition, November 4, 2014



Spotted the propaganda yet?

Some of them are, however, already known to the Portuguese investigation and they had nothing relevant to say regarding the English child who disappeared seven years ago in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve.


And how, pray tell, would some Portuguese rag know that? Sources in the PJ aka the Amoral gang making sh*t up yet again, are they?

Good rules of thumb when Truthseeking:

If it's been translated by Morais, if it doesn't have a name attached to it in direct speech, if it comes from Portugal generally - take it with a whole dumper truck of salt.


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Post  lily on Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:34 pm

Yep.  That stuck out like the flag it is.
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Post  bb1 on Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:18 pm


Mari Welzel ‏@umweltbuerger
Hoping the ten witnesses in Portugal being questioned by NSY @metpoliceuk is none other than Kate&Gerry #McCann and their Tapas pact friends



And why, pray tell, does weaselburger imagine the Yard would have to a. get permission from Portugal and b. travel to Portugal, to do that? rofl rofl rofl rofl

The Yard has NO interest in the McCanns and their friends, either as persons of interest or suspects. How many times do these thickos need told before it sinks in?

PS - neither does the PJ. Didn't they get the note from Morais? See the posts by Claudia and co?

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Post  bb1 on Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:45 pm

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/531252/Maddie-McCann-British-police-to-return-to-Portugal

Maddie McCann: British police to return to Portugal for fresh interviews

BRITISH police are preparing to return to Portugal after getting the green light for fresh Madeleine McCann interviews.

Scotland Yard detectives have been given permission to instigate a new set of probes by new prosecutor Ines Sequeira, who has finally approved a fifth international letter of request that was received by the state in August.

After being given the go-ahead, officers in Faro, Portugal, are now arranging interviews for British police, which will take place at the same police station where four suspects were probed in July.

It was thought three of the suspects would be given a new grilling when the Operation Grange team led by DCI Andy Redwood returned to Portugal.

However, it is understood that Mrs Sequeira only authorised interviews with witnesses whom British police have never questioned directly.

In their fifth letter of request, Scotland Yard opted out of asking for permission to reinterview the suspects, according to Portuguese newspaper Jornal de Noticias.

British cops will also interview ten unnamed witnesses - some of whom were questioned by Portuguese police more than seven years ago when Madeleine first disappeared in Praia da Luz.

As happened when Operation Grange quizzed suspects and witnesses in July, Scotland Yard detectives will sit in on the interviews but they will be led by Portuguese officers who will ask questions on their behalf.

Operation Grange, an investigative review by Met Police into the circumstances surrounding Madeleine's disappearance, was last in Portugal three weeks ago.

A small team of three officers, including DCI Andy Redwood who is in charge of Operation Grange, met Policia Judiciaria bosses in Faro for an update meeting before visiting a lab where DNA samples collected after Madeleine's disappearance are held.

British police told Portugal's Institute of Legal Medicine and Forensic Sciences that they now want to retest some of the samples after it was found previous DNA tests carried out during the original investigation were incomplete.

Last week it emerged that nearly 100 of the 444 strands of hair tested during the original Madeleine McCann investigation were never DNA-matched

The investigation found 432 hairs were human and 12 non-human, while they were unable to DNA-match 98 of them and only obtained partial results from 19 of them.

n order to retest the hairs, British police will need to send a sixth letter of request to Mrs Sequeira, who will then have to give permission for forensic experts to take samples to Britain for analysis.

Institute president Francisco Brizida, said after the October 14 meeting: "I have the certainty they went away very happy.

"The tonic of the meeting was about the possibility of the tests on samples collected in 2007 being re-done.

"The British police wanted clarification on the examinations the institute had carried out during the early stages of the inquiry in the areas of genetics and biology.

"We talked about non-identified material that was collected in Madeleine's apartment.

"I can't say for sure new DNA tests that didn't yield a conclusive result in 2007 could now yield an objective result.

"But technology nowadays allows us to go further than years ago in areas like genetic markers."

Last month it was revealed that the cost of the British police search for Madeleine will soon reach £10million.

However, the Home Office has defended the cost of the probe, insisting: "The Government believes it is right that it does all it can to support the search for Madeleine McCann."

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Post  bb1 on Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:20 pm

Dirtymac's detecting skills get worse by the day:


Re: DAILY MAIL ONLINE - OPERATION GRANGE TO RETURN TO PORTUGAL
Post  PeterMac Today at 9:18 pm

A bungled Break-in
The sort of bungle which does not Break shutters, does not Break the lock on the window, does not Break the closure of the curtains, which does not Break the bond between the bed and the curtains, which does not Break the bond between the wicker chair and the curtains.
The sort that does not Break the lock on the front door, when the key is on the work top
. ***malicious falsehoods redacted*

What 'bond' twixt bed, chair and curtains? Have none of them LOOKED at the police photos in the police files?



There's a clear gap of about a foot between the bed and the curtains.



There's a smaller, but none the less obvious, gap between the chair and the curtains.

And let us not forget who demonstrated how EASY it is to open those shutters from the outside:



People that conduct hate campaigns should at least try to have some grasp of reality. And remember what they themselves have done in the course of ghoul tours with failed 'profilers'.

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