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Re: Latest news on investigation

Post  Sabot on Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:55 pm

Pedro Silva wrote:I wonder if this gardener had the same nasty comment if it happened with one of his offspring.

to this gardener: shame on you, your nasty comment is neither needed nor appreciated it.

Some of them will never understand, Pedro. Unless it happens to them. God forbid.
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Post  bb1 on Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:42 pm

“It’s a long time ago. They’ll never find her. I’ve racked my brains. They need to leave it now.”

Thing is, he's an ex-pat, it makes no difference whatsoever to him what the Yard do. So why so defensive?

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Post  Sabot on Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:56 pm

Perhaps he hasn't had a very happy life. From what I have read, he was only working for two days a week. This is not a lot of gardening. In my hey day, I had more work than that, and I didn't take it up until I was well over 50.

And what would he be racking his brain about?
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Post  bb1 on Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:12 pm

Or maybe he has other 'business' on the side and the police hanging around interferes with trade?

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Post  Sabot on Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:20 pm

bb1 wrote:Or maybe he has other 'business' on the side and the police hanging around interferes with trade?

This thought has crossed my mind.

Never take your cell phone with you if you are up to no good.
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Post  bb1 on Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:52 pm

Oh my! Look who translated for him first time round:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GEORGE-JONES.htm


Witness Name: George William James
Occupation: Gardener
Nationality: British

As he does not understand Portuguese, he is accompanied by interpreter, Robert James Queriol Eveleigh Murat.


Small world, isn't it?

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Post  Pedro Silva on Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:57 pm

big true:

"Some of them will never understand, Pedro. Unless it happens to them. God forbid."

"Thing is, he's an ex-pat, it makes no difference whatsoever to him what the Yard do. So why so defensive?"

he is acting with such despicable behaviour because that is the way he have to feed his insanity.
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Post  bb1 on Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:44 pm

http://www.stopthemyths.info/viewtopic.php?f=115&t=7254&start=50

That's an interesting thread. It looks very much like the relevant section of the police files was mistranslated, and whoever wrote that Mirror piece, has used the mistranslated files.

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Post  Sabot on Mon Nov 24, 2014 12:02 am

When is it going to be recognised that the translations of The Files on The Internet are highly dodgy? I am getting really sick of this.
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Post  bb1 on Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:55 am

A perfect example of why the McCanns and Scotland Yard had their translations done by accredited professionals. How many other blunders and assumptions, if not outright spinning and twisting, are there in the versions done by Team Gonzo supporters on the internet?

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Post  Sabot on Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:45 am

It's all coming out. Bit by long, painful, drawn out bit. No wonder some of us didn't know what the hell was going on. It was like fighting with both hands tied behind your back.

But why? The answer to that, of course, is easy in hindsight.
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Post  bb1 on Mon Nov 24, 2014 12:21 pm

IMO, a lot of people took it for granted that Morais and her ilk were telling the truth, Sabot - I know I did. Then, bit by bit, all the lying and deceit behind the anti-McCann campaign was laid bare.

It became fairly obvious that Amoral and his supporters were less than honest and trustworthy, to put it politely. His perjury conviction, the Golden Bullets tape - all those things Morais and co try to sweep under the carpet.

Look at the other people the McCann-haters idolize - Tavares de Almeida, the convicted torturer. Moita Flores, the dirty Masonic mayor. Cristovao the thug. You won't see Morais and her gang telling the truth about ANY of them.

The only question is, Why? What is Team Gonzo so desperate to hide?

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Re: Latest news on investigation

Post  bb1 on Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:45 pm

What on earth......



Blurb:

Portuguese police were handed a note claiming Madeleine McCann was dumped in a vast lake, but it is said they never searched it.

The letter was found in May 2008 by a handyman at the Algarve apartment where she vanished a year earlier.

He said: 'It claimed to have the location of her final resting place.'

Full story: Page 5

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Post  lily on Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:57 pm

Err.....we seem to have been here before?
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Post  bb1 on Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:00 pm

Just what I was thinking, Lily. I thought the media had stopped churning out this nonsense years ago; clearly not.

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Post  bb1 on Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:05 pm

The full story is online now.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-ignored-tip-off-4688474

Madeleine McCann cops 'ignored tip-off that her body was dumped in lake'
Nov 24, 2014 22:30 By David Collins
An employee of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz found note in the doorway of apartment 5A, where Madeleine vanished, on the first anniversary of her disappearance

A letter handed in to Portuguese police claimed to know the final resting place of Madeleine McCann, it has emerged.

An employee of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz found the letter in the doorway of apartment 5A, where Madeleine vanished, on the first anniversary of her disappearance.

The handyman, who we are not naming but was formerly employed by the holiday resort, immediately handed in the note to the police in May 2008.

He described the letter as being headed: “Madeleine Beth McCann”, with a description below of how she had been dumped in the Barragem da Bravura reservoir, nine miles from the holiday resort.

He said: “It was raining that night so it was soaking wet when I found it. It clearly said Madeleine’s name at the top. It was written in Portuguese.

“Beneath it was a location for what it claimed was her final resting place.

“I spoke to the other staff about it and they said to hand it in to the Portuguese police. I gave it to them, but I have no idea what they did about it.

“It would be the perfect place to hide a body.”

It is believed that although the surrounding woodland was initially looked at by detectives on the case, there has never been an underwater search of the reservoir.

Tonight a spokesperson for Kate and Gerry McCann said they would “welcome” any new searches of the area.

Clarence Mitchell said: “Kate and Gerry will be informed of what this witness is telling the Daily Mirror.

"We would welcome any new searches. But they cannot comment on any specific detail as that is entirely a matter for Operation Grange and the Portuguese authorities.”

The man-made lake is close to the A22 motorway which runs from Praia da Luz towards the Spanish border.

In October 2007, five months after Madeleine disappeared, officers from the Civil Guard helped search the large area of woodland, which has a lake in the middle supplying water to surrounding towns and villages.

The search was re-ordered by lead investigator Paulo Rebelo, who took over the stalled investigation, after concerns the area had not been searched properly when Madeleine went missing.

Detectives believed it was a possibility the youngster’s body may have been weighed down with rocks and disposed of in the huge expanse of water.

However reports at the time say police, along with specially trained sniffer dogs, spent just two hours at the site and are not thought to have deployed underwater search teams.

One eyewitness, who was there at the time of the search, said: “I never saw any divers physically trawl through that lake. The water is dark and murky and would need to be searched thoroughly.

”It’s so close to Praia da Luz, and such an obvious place to hide a body, that I’m amazed following an actual tip off this hasn’t been done.”



The Portuguese investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance has been widely criticised and is known to have made several serious mistakes, including the failure to close off the apartment which led to the contamination of the crime scene after up to 20 people were allowed inside.

It has previously been reported how a Dutch newspaper was sent an anonymous letter and a map of the area near the same reservoir bearing a cross and the words: “Where Madeleine is buried.”

The desolate Barragem da Bravura lake, or the “Reservoir of the Wilderness”, occupies an area two-and-a-half miles wide and a perimeter of 25 miles.

Only a handful of isolated dwellings dot the beauty spot.

Many of the Ocean Club staff believe the four-year-old could have been taken there after she vanished from the McCanns’ holiday apartment.

In February 2008, a team of divers hired by Portuguese lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia searched the Barragem do Arada reservoir, which is 35 miles east of Praia da Luz.

The human rights lawyer claimed that underworld criminals told him Madeleine was dumped in a nearby lake that was “deserted with lots of trees and a beach area” - however the search came to nothing.

Kate, 46, and Gerry, 45, of Rothley, Leics, were at a tapas bar about 80 yards from their apartment when Madeleine vanished.

Gerry checked on her and her brother and sister at 9.15pm. At 10pm Kate found she had gone.

Police believe seven new possible suspects, five men and two women, may have information.

It has been reported they also plan to re-interview expat Robert Murat, 41, who was cleared by the 2007 inquiry.

A friend of the McCann’s from Rothley, Leics, said they were desperate to find out what had happened to Madeleine and were confident Scotland Yard would “do everything in their power” to unravel the mystery.

The friend said: “They hope police search any potentially significant new place but until there is evidence to suggest otherwise Kate and Gerry remain hopeful that Madeleine could still be alive.

”If an anonymous letter has come to light which suggests their daughter’s body could be in a lake in a barren area not far from Praia da Luz then they know police will be thinking ‘Was this area searched before and do we need to look at it again?’

”They would hope it has been acted on before but if there is new information it will surely be in police hands.”

Former GP Kate and heart doctor Gerry, both 46, rarely comment on the huge multi-million police inquiry ordered by Prime Minister David Cameron.

But in a joint statement released this summer when cops were digging up part of the resort from were three-year-old Maddie was snatched in May 2007, they said: “We are very pleased that significant activity has taken place in Praia da Luz over the last eight days with police officers and support teams from the UK working closely with the Portuguese Policia Judiciaria and the Guarda Nacional Republicana.

”We are further encouraged that, despite intensive searches, no trace of Madeleine has been found and this reinforces our belief that she could still be alive.”

Kate and Gerry’s Portuguese lawyer Isabel Duarte told the Mirror: “They want to know exactly what has happened to their child.”

A Scotland Yard spokesperson refused to comment.


It all sounds rather bizarre, and highly dubious.

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Post  Pedro Silva on Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:18 pm

the insanity or sick obsession about the lake continues, which proves the madness of someone.
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Post  lily on Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:22 pm

As ever, time will tell, Bonny?
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Post  bb1 on Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:45 pm

Some people aren't taking this very well..

Joana Morais ‏@xklamation
Are you taking the piss out of your readers? Stop with the #mccann #spin, the dam was searched back then, fkng hack @DavidCollinsMir


What's her problem? Another one acting as if news stories affect her personally. Hmmm. And I fail to see any 'McCann spin' in this somewhat bizarre story.

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Post  bb1 on Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:48 pm


Lurking Gardener ‏@Coldwater3As
If you're at a seaside resort and want to dump a body in an expanse of water, why go 10 miles inland to a reservoir? #mccann


I thought Coldwater knew everything? Did his BBQ Sauces forget to tell him that seawater moves? Pcorneater

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Post  bb1 on Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:52 pm

Now I come to think of it, there's nothing in the police files about searching dams, is there? The only search I can think of is the one organised by Marcos Correia?

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Post  bb1 on Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:55 pm

Good points:

http://www.stopthemyths.info/viewtopic.php?f=115&t=7254&start=50

So, on the day when the world's press were back in PDL to do stories about the first anniversary, someone took the risk of putting a letter in the door of 5A , saying where she was? Really?

And there was no:

'Who wrote this?' Did they take Madeleine? 'Are they still in Portugal?" " Is there any trace of DNA on the letter? " Is this someone trying to divert us from looking for a live child?"


Someone in Portugal must be getting rather rattled to conjure up stories like this...

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Post  Sabot on Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:11 am

Well now I'm really confused. What was that same Gardener doing in the doorway of 5A a year later? I thought he didn't work on Block 5.
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Post  bb1 on Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:13 am

Liz Woods ‏@elizawoods 1 hr1 hour ago
@DailyMirror What's this story from Sky News then in 2007 showing the lake was searched? http://news.sky.com/story/547048/madeleine-police-divers-to-trawl-reservoir … #mccann


Tut tut! Some people need to learn to read what is REALLY there, not what they want to be there...


A reservoir is being scoured by specialist police divers as the hunt for Madeleine McCann intensifies.

Detectives are said to be preparing to search a 10-mile area around Praia da Luz, where the child vanished on May 3.

The hunt is also focusing on the Barragem da Bravura reservoir, which is around 15 miles away from the Algarve resort.


The whole story seems to have come from some Portuguese rag when hysteria was running rampant. Unless someone can find a reference to it in the police files, I suspect it's safe to conclude it never actually happened.

Can anyone find it in the police files?

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Post  bb1 on Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:16 am

Sabot wrote:Well now I'm really confused.  What was that same Gardener doing in the doorway of 5A a year later?  I thought he didn't work on Block 5.

Things seem to have got decidedly peculiar since that gardener got involved, Sabot. Just sayin'.

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