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Post  bb1 Wed May 20, 2015 12:22 pm

Lots of interesting links here:

https://www.facebook.com/supportdonetsk

including material that is never published in Western media, because it spoils the fantasy about our Gallant Allies in Kiev. They haven't managed to censor the internet - yet.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/11/17/natos-nazis-ethnic-cleansing-their-opposition-in-east-ukraine/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-cleanses-southeastern-ukraine-of-ethnic-russians/5388101


*WARNING*

The photos of the atrocities committed by the Kiev forces, neo-nazis and Western mercenaries have NOT been blurred on those links.
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Post  bb1 Thu May 21, 2015 6:58 pm

http://rt.com/news/260905-clashes-fire-kiev-protest/

Clashes, tires on fire outside Ukrainian parliament in Kiev

[live feed of riot]

Clashes are reported in central Kiev where crowds of protesters are rallying against the economic crisis and the soaring cost of private loans. Local media say several people have tried to break into the Ukrainian parliament.

The protesters have clashed with police and blocked the entrances to the parliament building.

The so-called "Financial Maidan" crowd is demanding that the parliament approves the law on restructuring private loans in foreign currency, which would convert people's debts into national currency at pre-crisis levels.

The protesters have set fire to car tires and attempted to break into the Parliament building. Riot police have so far been able to hold them back.

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BREAKING: Clashes, tires on fire outside Ukrainian parliament in Kiev (LIVE FEED) http://on.rt.com/8tdcih


Life News however reports several activists did manage to get into the building, spreading banners with their demands and shouting in approval of those deputies that voted for the restructuring bill.

Earlier, the parliament failed to approve the second reading of a law that would allow borrowers to pay their loans back in hryvnas, at a rate of about 5 hryvnas to the dollar. The current exchange rate is about 20 hryvnas to the dollar, as Ukraine faces a deep financial crisis. The bill will now go through one more reading in the parliament.

Several MPs have tried to calm the crowd down. Borislav Bereza from the Right Sector ultranationalist party told the crowds "the situation [with the law] was manipulated."

The "Financial Maidan" movement has been active for several months in Kiev, with demonstrations near the Parliament and the National Bank. Their demands include refunds for those with deposits in banks hit worst by the crisis.

They also demand resignation of the country's Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk and Finance Minister Natalya Yaresko.

At least 11 "Financial Maidan" activists were into their fourth day of a hunger strike next to the Parliament building Thursday. One of them has been taken to hospital.

Among the slogans the protesters are shouting is the infamous "Out with the gang!" heard numerous times during the 2013-14 Maidan uprising against President Yanukovich and his government, which eventually brought the current officials to power.


Wonder where that woman with the bags of cookies has got to?
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Post  bb1 Sat May 23, 2015 4:15 pm

http://www.infowars.com/video-us-backed-ukrainian-militants-hang-pregnant-woman/

VIDEO: US-BACKED UKRAINIAN MILITANTS HANG PREGNANT WOMAN
US Army currently training pro-Kiev neo-nazi fighters

by PAUL JOSEPH WATSON | MAY 22, 2015

A shocking video shows US-backed militants in Ukraine hanging a pregnant woman and her husband, yet more evidence of atrocities being committed by pro-Kiev forces.


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Last month we reported on a video that showed Ukrainian neo-nazi militia fighters carrying out an ISIS-style execution during which they nail a separatist rebel to a cross and then burn him alive.

The brutal murder was reportedly carried out by members of the Azov Battalion, which was converted into a regiment last year, making it a de facto part of the Ukrainian Army.

Despite the militants being implicated in war crimes and fascist ideology, U.S. troops from the 173rd Airborne Brigade arrived at the Yavoriv training ground in Lviv last month to work with Ukrainian national guard battalions.
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Post  Sabot Sat May 23, 2015 4:31 pm

F.U.C.K. Sorry. Can't think of anything else to say.
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Post  bb1 Sat May 23, 2015 4:37 pm

The neo-nazi scum enjoy doing things like that, recording their atrocities and posting them on the internet. They've posted worse than that, believe it or not.

And it's EU and US taxpayers' money that is making it all possible.
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Post  lily Sat May 23, 2015 4:40 pm

I feel sick to my stomach.
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Post  bb1 Sat May 23, 2015 4:44 pm

It makes me so angry, Lily. These sick f*cks are PROUD of what they do, they don't try to hide their sadistic atrocities - but you'll struggle to find a word about it in the US or UK mainstream.

Where are the exposes on CNN? Where is the outrage from the Guardian? Nowhere to be found - because it is OUR 'side' that is doing this.
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Post  lily Sat May 23, 2015 5:10 pm

Hear you, Bonny.  I do....
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Post  bb1 Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:22 pm

http://rt.com/news/264037-soros-ukraine-poroshenko-leak/

‘Self-appointed advocate of new Ukraine’: Soros emails leaked by anti-Kiev hackers
Published time: June 01, 2015 20:58 Get short URL


George Soros advocates EU financial aid and military assistance to Ukraine to restore Kiev’s fighting capacity without violating the Minsk peace deal, claim anti-Kiev hackers citing leaked emails between the billionaire and Ukraine’s president.

The hacking group CyberBerkut claims it has penetrated Ukraine’s presidential administration website and obtained correspondence between Soros and Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko.

The hacktivists have published three files online, which include a draft of “A short and medium term comprehensive strategy for the new Ukraine” by Soros (dated March 12, 2015); an undated paper on military assistance to Kiev; and the billionaire’s letter to Poroshenko and Ukraine’s Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk, dated December 23, 2014.

According to the leaked documents, Soros supports Barack Obama’s stance on Ukraine, but believes that the US should do even more.

He is confident that the US should provide Ukraine with lethal military assistance, “with same level of sophistication in defense weapons to match the level of opposing force.”

“In poker terms, the US will ‘meet, but not raise,” the 84-year-old businessman explained, supposedly signing one of the letters as “a self-appointed advocate of the new Ukraine.”

The Western backers want Kiev to “restore the fighting capacity of Ukraine without violating the Minsk agreement,” Soros wrote.

Retired US general Wesley Clark, who commanded the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, and Polish ex-general, Waldemar Skrzypczak, will be among those advising Poroshenko on how to fulfil this task, he added.
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Also:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-01/hacked-emails-expose-george-soros-ukraine-puppet-master


Hacked Emails Expose George Soros As Ukraine Puppet-Master

Just days after George Soros warned that World War 3 was imminent unless Washington backed down to China on IMF currency basket inclusion, the hacker collective CyberBerkut has exposed the billionaire as the real puppet-master behind the scenes in Ukraine. In 3 stunning documents, allegedly hacked from email correspondence between the hedge fund manager and Ukraine President Poroshenko, Soros lays out "A short and medium term comprehensive strategy for the new Ukraine," expresses his confidence that the US should provide Ukraine with lethal military assistance, “with same level of sophistication in defense weapons to match the level of opposing force," and finally explained Poroshenko's "first priority must be to regain control of financial markets," which he assures the President could be helped by The Fed adding "I am ready to call Jack Lew of the US Treasury to sound him out about the swap agreement."



Full squalid story at links.
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Post  lily Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:21 pm

That is just the tip of the tip of everything he is involved in.  mad mad
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Post  bb1 Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:27 pm

It's a great pity that the FBI haven't shown the same enthusiasm for investigating Soros as they have for investigating troughing football officials, Lily.

But that's one investigation that simply will never happen, whatever the old monster does. There is NO chance of it, not when he is being allowed to quite openly bankroll mayhem and violence in America itself.
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Post  lily Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:33 pm

That's right, Bonny.  We need to be distracted by deeply important news like Bruce becoming Caitlyn.
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Post  bb1 Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:49 pm

You know, it's safe to watch RT for an entire day, safe in the knowledge that there will be no mention of Kardashians - unless they are being held up as an example of how to dumb down a population and distract the public with bread and circuses.
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Post  lily Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:08 pm

I cannot get it here because my cable company doesn't carry it.  Crying or Very sad
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Post  bb1 Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:14 pm

Ah. First Amendment only go so far, then? Wink
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Post  lily Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:36 pm

Other carriers have it though and when I change my carrier, I could be lucky.  

To be honest, I thought the same as you Bonny.
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Post  bb1 Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:50 pm

I like RT, it covers serious subjects instead of showbiz fluff. Obviously, you allow for bias, as you do with all broadcasters, or should, but I have never once seen RT blatantly lying, as the BBC has done on too many occasions recently.

Larry King's Crosstalk is one of the best international programmes around - grown adults from all over the world, often retired ambassadors, businessmen, academics, etc., discussing the issues of the day without toeing anyone's party line.
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Post  lily Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:30 pm

I look forward to seeing that when I get the chance.
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Post  bb1 Wed Jun 03, 2015 4:26 pm

http://rt.com/news/264545-mh17-investigators-key-witness/

Russian investigators reveal identity of key witness in MH17 crash
Published time: June 03, 2015 09:19
Edited time: June 03, 2015 15:15 Get short URL

The Russian Investigative Committee has identified a key witness to the MH17 crash in Ukraine’s Donetsk Region. He is Evgeny Agapov, an aviation armaments mechanic in the Ukrainian Air Force.

The man is currently under Russian state protection.

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“As now there is new evidence of the reliability of the words of the witness, as well as various reports concerning the doubts of certain media outlets about the real existence of this witness, we decided to disclose [the name of the witness],” Investigative Committee spokesman Vladimir Markin said.

Agapov, a Ukrainian citizen, was serving as a military mechanic in the first squadron of the Ukrainian Air Force’s tactical aviation brigade.

According to Markin, the man “voluntarily crossed the state border of the Russian Federation and expressed a desire to cooperate with the Russian investigation.”

Agapov has testified that on July 17, 2014, a Ukrainian Sukhoi Su-25 jet aircraft piloted by one Captain Voloshin “set out for a military task,” Markin said.

The aircraft returned to the airfield with empty ammunition. To his colleagues, Voloshin said that the plane was "at the wrong time or in the wrong place,” said the Investigative Committee spokesman.

“Our jets were flying regularly,” Agapov said in his testimony. “When one returned, the pilot, Captain Voloshin, got out of the cockpit.” He added that, as Captain Voloshin walked away with the other pilots, Agapov heard him say: “That was the wrong plane.”

“In the evening we learned that a passenger Boeing was shot down that day,” the witness said.

He said that on that day, July 17, the soldiers together with Agapov were “servicing another jet, attaching its payload.”

“Nearby was Flight Control Officer Dyakin, Captain Voloshin and two other pilots. Dyakin asked Voloshin: ‘What happened with the plane?’ He said, ‘It was in the wrong place at the wrong time.’”

On Tuesday, Russian arms manufacturer Almaz-Altey announced the results of its own probe into the MH17 tragedy. They say that the crash could only have been caused by one of the missiles from BUK’s older line of defense systems, the BUK-M1. These missiles are widely deployed by a number of post-Soviet states, including Ukraine, but have been replaced by a newer model in Russia.

“If a surface-to-air missile system was used [to hit the plane], it could only have been a 9M38M1 missile of the BUK-M1 system,” Almaz-Antey said in a statement.

In the meantime, Almaz-Antey’s experts said they had not “theoretically” excluded the possibility that the Boeing was hit by another type of weapon, such as an air-to-air missile. They cautioned that that final conclusions could only be drawn after all the necessary forensic tests had been conducted by the official investigative commission.

The Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, with 298 passengers on board, crashed on July 17, 2014 in the Donetsk Region of eastern Ukraine. The Boeing was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, and the majority of its victims were Dutch citizens.


Dutch forensic experts are leading the investigation into the causes of the tragedy. However, they have so far released only a preliminary report, in which they said that the plane “broke up in mid-air due to external damage.”


Is this witness the real deal? I don't know, but there has been persistent internet chatter about him. Suffice to say, if I had evidence that a Ukrainian pilot had mistaken a lumbering, red white and blue civil airliner for Putin's red white and blue airliner, and participated in downing it - I would head for Moscow ASAP as well, as I wouldn't expect to live long in Ukraine.
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Post  bb1 Sat Jun 06, 2015 4:05 pm

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-05/ron-paul-stunned-george-soros-seeks-expand-war-ukraine

Ron Paul Stunned That George Soros Seeks To "Expand War In Ukraine"
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Earlier this week, using hacked and leaked documents and pdfs created by, among others, George Soros' most recent wife who is less than half his age, we showed something fascinating: the puppetmaster behind the entire Ukraine conflict may be none other than George Soros himself. To wit:

Just days after George Soros warned that World War 3 was imminent unless Washington backed down to China on IMF currency basket inclusion, the hacker collective CyberBerkut has exposed the billionaire as the real puppet-master behind the scenes in Ukraine. In 3 stunning documents, allegedly hacked from email correspondence between the hedge fund manager and Ukraine President Poroshenko, Soros lays out "A short and medium term comprehensive strategy for the new Ukraine," expresses his confidence that the US should provide Ukraine with lethal military assistance, “with same level of sophistication in defense weapons to match the level of opposing force," and finally explained Poroshenko's "first priority must be to regain control of financial markets," which he assures the President could be helped by The Fed adding "I am ready to call Jack Lew of the US Treasury to sound him out about the swap agreement."


Needless to say, there was absolutely no mention of any of this in the broader media. However, despite the limited distribution of this very fascinating story which casts a vastly different light on the Ukraine conflict than one shone by the mainstream, it did catch the attention of one person: Ron Paul.

In the following clip Ron Paul looks at the stunning implications of Soros' involvement behind the scenes in Ukraine, how he may be pulling the strings in this most critical proxy war between East and West, and what he stands to gain.


[video]

Might have known the revolting old criminal and warmonger would have a young wife. I am sure we can ALL guess what she sees in him.
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Post  lily Sat Jun 06, 2015 4:53 pm

I know that it jumps off the page at you too?  Pcorneater
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Post  bb1 Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:14 pm

A huge fire has broken out at a Ukrainian oil refinery. Lots of pics here:

http://rt.com/news/265948-ukraine-oil-blaze-ecology/

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The smoke plume from the fuel blaze in Kiev, #Ukraine as seen from NASA's Modis satellite @fergalkeane47 @MaxRTucker


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It is, apparently, spreading, and is much worse than the pics are showing. Ukrainian fire services cannot cope with it, so it's a pity that they fell out with the great big country next door that has men and equipment to deal with such things.

So much oil, etc., is burning, that it's going to cause dangerous pollution when it comes back down. But at least it doesn't seem to be too close to the Chernobyl reactor.
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Praise where it is due - at least two US Congressmen can see Obama and co are doing something very wrong, and potentially disastrous.

http://conyers.house.gov/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=0DC46F90-801E-433D-B565-5E8A67C81A83


U.S. House Passes 3 Amendments By Rep. Conyers To Defense Spending Bill To Protect Civilians From Dangers Of Arming and Training Foreign Forces
WASHINGTON— Late yesterday evening, the U.S. House of Representatives considered H.R. 2685, the “Department of Defense Appropriations Act of 2015.” During consideration of the legislation, Congressman John Conyers, Jr. (D-Mich.) and Congressman Ted Yoho (R-Fla.) offered bipartisan amendments to block the training of the Ukrainian neo-Nazi paramilitary militia “Azov Battalion,” and to prevent the transfer of shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles—otherwise known as Man-Portable Air-Defense Systems (MANPADS)—to Iraq or Ukraine.

“If there’s one simple lesson we can take away from US involvement in conflicts overseas, it’s this: Beware of unintended consequences. As was made vividly clear with U.S. involvement in Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion decades ago, overzealous military assistance or the hyper-weaponization of conflicts can have destabilizing consequences and ultimately undercut our own national interests,” said Rep. John Conyers. “I am grateful that the House of Representatives unanimously passed my amendments last night to ensure that our military does not train members of the repulsive neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, along with my measures to keep the dangerous and easily trafficked MANPADs out of these unstable regions.”

Ukraine’s Azov Battalion is a 1,000-man volunteer militia of the Ukrainian National Guard that Foreign Policy Magazine has characterized as “openly neo-Nazi,” and “fascist.” Ukraine’s Interior Minister Arsen Avakov, who oversees Ukraine’s armed militias, announced that Azov troops would be among the first units to be trained by the Pentagon in Operation Fearless Guardian, prompting significant international concern.

Since their initial use on a battlefield in 1978, MANPAD attacks have resulted in nearly 1,000 civilian deaths.

Added Conyers, “Both U.S. and Israeli officials have feared that these weapons could be used by terrorists to bring down commercial jets. As the boundaries are increasingly blurred between insurgents fighting the Syrian government and those fighting the Iraqi government, providing additional arms could further destabilize the Middle East. The same can be said for Ukraine, where an anti-aircraft missile allegedly downed Flight MH17 last September, killing 298 civilians. The possibility that MANPADS—or any weapon—could fall into the hands of radical groups in Iraq, Syria, or Ukraine, would unquestionably increase the already-devastating human toll in both of these volatile regions.”

According to Reuters, The Azov battalion originated from a paramilitary national socialist group called "Patriot of Ukraine", which propagated slogans of white supremacy, racial purity, the need for authoritarian power and a centralized national economy. Azov’s controversial founder, Andriy Biletsky, organized the neo-Nazi group the Social-National Assembly (SNA) in 2008.

“The Azov men use the neo-Nazi Wolfsangel (Wolf’s Hook) symbol on their banner and members of the battalion are openly white supremacists, or anti-Semites,” wrote The Telegraph. Since Azov was enrolled as a regiment of Ukraine's National Guard in September and started receiving increased supplies of heavy arms, however, Biletsky has toned down his rhetoric, Reuters reported. According to the Washington Post, battalion members “could potentially strike pro-Russian targets on their own — or even turn on the [Ukrainian] government” if it pursues a diplomatic resolution to the conflict.


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Given the current unrest all over Ukraine, and not just Donbass, which is going virtually unreported in the West, of course these weapons are almost bound to be turned on, well, anyone the Nazis don't like.

“I am grateful that the House of Representatives unanimously passed my amendments last night to ensure that our military does not train members of the repulsive neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, along with my measures to keep the dangerous and easily trafficked MANPADs out of these unstable regions.”


It seems to be years since anyone in Washington said anything sensible - make that man President at once!
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