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Post  bb1 on Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:50 am

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http://www.stopthemyths.info/viewtopic.php?f=115&t=7098&start=775


McCann tweets journalist told to reveal source

Fiona Hamilton Crime Correspondent
Published 17 February 2015

A coroner has demanded that a Sky News reporter divulge his source for a story about a woman who was found dead after the broadcaster revealed that she had “trolled” the parents of Madeleine McCann.

The demand has raised fresh concerns about the state encroaching on journalists’ rights to keep their sources confidential, in the wake of revelations that police forces looked into their phone records on hundreds of occasions.

Martin Brunt, Sky’s crime correspondent, is due to give evidence next month at the inquest of Brenda Leyland, 63, whose body was found in October.

Mrs Leyland, of Burton Overy, Leicestershire, had been confronted days earlier as part of Mr Brunt’s exposé of a vitriolic online campaign against Kate and Gerry McCann. Their daughter, Madeleine, was three years old when she vanished from their holiday apartment in Portugal in 2007.

Mrs Leyland, a divorced mother of two, was said to have used the Twitter handle @sweepyface to post thousands of tweets about the McCanns, describing them as the “worst of humankind”.

Leicestershire police wrote to Sky on behalf of the coroner, Catherine Mason, asking a series of questions including the identity of the person who was behind the dossier of tweets. Sky has said that it will protect its source, arguing that its rights are protected under European law. It is understood that neither the police nor the coroner have responded since.

Mr Brunt and Jonathan Levy, director of news gathering and operations at Sky News, are expected to be called to give evidence as witnesses on March 20.

Coroners were given extra powers to question witnesses in new rules issued 18 months ago.

Gavin Millar, QC, a prominent media lawyer, said: “I don’t think coroners really understand the limits of their powers in terms of trying to force journalists to reveal their sources. It’s a specialist area of law and they are not media lawyers.

“As the investigations of coroners become more forensic and more determined, and they are given extra powers to require information from witnesses, they are going to have to start confronting these issues and acquire some learning about the rights of journalists.


Bob Satchwell, executive director of the Society of Editors, said that it was “always worrying” when a journalist was asked to reveal their source as they should “obviously” remain confidential. He said that there had been a drive by the authorities in recent years to know journalistic sources, which had previously been “sacrosanct”.

He added: “Its almost like they think the media is a fair game, and that’s a highly dangerous position.”

The demand comes after the government promised to change legislation so that police must gain a judge’s agreement before they can snoop on journalists. It took action after it emerged that phone or email data was accessed to uncover confidential sources on 600 occasions.

Police admitted using the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act to obtain email and phone communications between 82 journalists and 242 sources across 34 investigations in the past three years.

Sky News and Leicestershire police declined to comment.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/medi ... 357525.ece


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Post  bb1 on Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:52 am

That doesn't actually make sense, because the REAL police know where it came from...

Oh, and so much for the haters' beloved Free Speach - clearly, it only applies to them.

They don't get to pick and choose which whistleblowers they want to be protected. They either all are, or none are. Guess their obsessive hatred of the McCann family is more important to them than actual free speech or protecting whistleblowers.

Haters = hypocrites. As usual.

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Post  bb1 on Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:59 am

This hater is forever going on about how it is Charlie, and how it hates the Thought Police, yet declares:


To hell with the protection of sources in this instance.

That's not how it works, sweetcheeks. Once a legal precedent is set in the UK, then that is it. That means no more protection for Sources aka Whistleblowers in corruption cases, financial wrongdoing, child abuse, etc.

But hey, if they want to play right into the hands of the State - that's their lookout. Pcorneater

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Post  bb1 on Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:05 am

Typical level of what passes for hater 'thinking'-

Quote from: carlymichelle on February 17, 2015, 11:34:28 PM
it means they are investigating the authors of the dossier right?? and are inplying they maybe responsible for brendas death??


yernuts yernuts yernuts yernuts yernuts

I repeat in Big Letters for the hopelessly stupid.

THE REAL POLICE KNOW ALL ABOUT THE DOSSIER

The Times is a Murdoch publication. Murdoch employs Martin Brunt via Sky News. The Sun, a Murdoch publication, recently starred Hutton boasting about trolling, bitching and squishing.

Instead of going off on a predictable frenzy of one-handed typing, they need to take their empty heads out of their backsides and look at the famed Bigger Picture.

And how do they know the Source isn't close to home - maybe someone doing a documentary about trolling for an unnamed employer, someone who fed Hutton to the Sun recently?

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Post  bb1 on Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:17 am

Another dumb forker beside itself with excitement:


The woman given anonymity might simply be the elected spokesperson. It would be interesting to know who decided on compiling the dossier and who gave it to the family, because BHH said the family handed it to the police. There will be more than one name revealed possibly.


~ it dribbled, panting with excitement.

Incapable of doing anything difficult like thinking, or wondering, Why doesn't the coroner just ask the real police? Incapable of noticing that all this is revolving around the Murdoch media.

Incapable of grasping that Sources are protected in law for very good reason, and if this is ripped up, then they can look forward to NEVER knowing about anything the State doesn't want them to know in the future.

No, it might get to stalk and abuse someone that supports the family of a missing child, and that's more important than anything else to these lowlives.

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Post  bb1 on Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:22 am

Some excellent points from the only 'anti' that has working brain cells:

well, for a start coroners don't jail people and if the coroner wants to know the source of the story, why not ask the police. after all, it was reported that the file was handed to both the police and sky news by those who compiled it.

still, i wonder how this got leaked and by who and why, assuming that it's true.


Quite. Something else is going on here, IMO. And if the numbskull haters are high-fiving each other, it's a sure bet that some disaster for them is just around the corner.

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Post  Jean-Pierre.t50 on Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:36 am

For those interested, the leading case is Goodwin v UK.

http://www.5rb.com/case/goodwin-v-united-kingdom/


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Post  bb1 on Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:37 am

Seems one of the most foul-mouthed, depraved, hydra trolls in this part of the internet is being praised:

http://davidbretisagod.forumotion.co.uk/t1133-mccann-tweets-journalist-told-to-reveal-source



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And above an anti is jumping on the bandwagon in hopes that 'ALL WILL BE REVEALED' and on another forum a silly poster is screeching on about how the police will have to reveal the names of the people who sent that bl**dy dossier to the police - doesn't the idiot understand that they already KNOW who compiled and sent it? Jeez, where was she when brains were doled out - oh, I know, they never got as far as where she skulks.


Quite.

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Post  bb1 on Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:38 am

Jean-Pierre.t50 wrote:For those interested, the leading case is Goodwin v UK.

http://www.5rb.com/case/goodwin-v-united-kingdom/


How very dare you introduce sanity, rationality and the law into this, Jean-Pierre? You'll make the Bouncing Haters cry!

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Post  bb1 on Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:43 am

The famously-stupid hounder yoyo pronounces:

Let's hope that the State is within its perogative to demand that newspaper reveals source or face consequences.


Er, perhaps they'd all like to stop and think about the implications of that for a moment? In between bouncing and high-fiving each other?

Especially as the State, in the person/s of the police, already know? Is that really the legal precedent they want the State to establish?

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Post  bb1 on Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:51 am

Cristobell Author @RosalindaHu  ·  20 mins 20 minutes ago
@B_balou @dminnimouse @JimGamble_INEQE 's hoped for new era of McCarthy/McCannism stopped in tracks by #BrendaLeyland #mccann


God, they're thick. What, pray tell, do they imagine the ending of the protection of whistleblowers is, besides making State control ten times worse?

And does that ageing bimbo understand what 'McCarthyism' actually was? It had far, far more in common with the irrational witch-hunters to be found in the We Hate The McCanns gang, than in people who support the rule of law and the presumption of innocence.

'McCarthyism' wanted to remove legal protections from individuals. Just like the moronic haters currently calling for the State to demand that newspapers reveal their sources.

God, they're stupid.

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Post  Sabot on Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:52 am

bb1 wrote:The famously-stupid hounder yoyo pronounces:

Let's hope that the State is within its perogative to demand that newspaper reveals source or face consequences.


Er, perhaps they'd all like to stop and think about the implications of that for a moment? In between bouncing and high-fiving each other?

Especially as the State, in the person/s of the police, already know? Is that really the legal precedent they want the State to establish?

Well, we might find out who all of these anonymous pillocks are. That won't be a bad thing. Tick Tock.
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Post  bb1 on Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:05 am

It's a matter of principle, Sabot. Remove protection in one case - protection is removed in all, by legal precedent. The haters are all too busy typing with one hand to see that, though. The Tassie troll appears to be dribbling on its keyboard with misplaced excitement.....

There's something hinky about all this, IMO, and we're only getting a glimpse of a fragment of the picture. Seems to me that the Murdoch press is getting set for an almighty battle with the State over press regulation.

Incidentally, why is Leyland being so sentimentally portrayed as a poor, helpless pensioner? She most certainly wasn't; her language was foul, and she was frequently obscene and aggressive. She travelled regularly between LA and the UK - possibly because she'd fallen out with her family in the UK.

It was also HER that initiated contact with Brunt.

I am at a loss to know why she is being portrayed as this Dickensian figure, some poor old soul with a Zimmer, living off gruel, and a helpless victim in all this.

Not only did she initiate contact with Brunt - and others - she invited him into her home. Does that sound as if she was 'terrified'?

No, there are games being played here - and the games involving the Murdoch media and the State are way, way above our heads.

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Post  bb1 on Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:12 am

God, they're stupid. Yet another hater:

Sky/Martin Brunt will eventually give up their source to the Coroner or the police will get the name using the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act.


For the millionth time -

THE POLICE ALREADY HAVE THE NAME.


And why are they so keen on the State having even more control over the UK media? It's bad enough as it is, which is why so many people - like me - watch stations like AJ and RT for real news, and read ZeroHedge rather than the Mail.

But hey, the turkeys are voting for the British State to completely control the media, and criminalise whistleblowing, so they needn't complain when they get their wish.

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Post  bb1 on Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:37 am

http://www.article19.org/pages/en/protection-of-sources-more.html



I
Protection of sources

The media depend to a large extent on members of the public for the supply of information of public interest. Most of the time, these sources are more than happy to be quoted in the newspaper or on the television. But occasionally, citizens come forward with information of a secret or highly sensitive nature.

They believe such information - relating for example to corruption, misgovernment or the activities of organised criminals – should be made known to the general public, to expose wrongdoing or to stimulate public debate on the subject (read more on whistleblowers).

Anonymity is often a precondition for the source’s willingness to speak, out of fear for retaliation if his or her name were made public
When this happens, anonymity is often a precondition for the source’s willingness to speak, out of fear for retaliation if his or her name were made public.

There is little dispute that named sources are on the whole preferable to anonymous ones. If the source is known, it is easier to assess his or her credibility, motives and, indeed, existence. It is also less difficult for those affected by a wrongful disclosure (such as a malicious attack on a person’s reputation or the publication of a business secret) to clear their name or to seek compensation. Nevertheless, international courts and mechanisms have been mindful that much important information would never reach the public if journalists were unable to guarantee confidentiality to their sources.

This has led to the development of a right, based on the right to free expression, commonly referred to as “the protection of sources.”

Although it is normally journalists who claim the right, it is really the right of everyone to receive information and ideas that is being protected. Indeed, this is at the heart of the right.

INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS ON THE PROTECTION OF SOURCES

In the seminal case of Goodwin v. United Kingdom, the ECtHR ruled that an attempt to force a journalist to reveal his source for a news story violated his right to receive and impart information, and hence the right to freedom of expression. The ECtHR considered that orders to disclose sources reduce the flow of information, to the detriment of democracy and are, therefore, only justifiable in very exceptional cases:

Protection of journalistic sources is one of the basic conditions for press freedom.... Without such protection, sources may be deterred from assisting the press in informing the public on matters of public interest. As a result the vital public-watchdog role of the press may be undermined and the ability of the press to provide accurate and reliable information may be adversely affected. Having regard to the importance of the protection of journalistic sources for press freedom in a democratic society and the potentially chilling effect an order of source disclosure has on the exercise of that freedom, such a measure cannot be compatible with Article 10 of the Convention unless it is justified by an overriding requirement in the public interest.

The right of journalists to protect the confidentiality of their sources has also been widely recognised by other international bodies, including the European Parliament, the Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe, the IACMHR and the ACHPR. The OSCE member states stated, in the Concluding Document of their 1986-1989 Vienna Follow-Up Meeting: “[J]ournalists ... are free to seek access to and maintain contacts with, public and private sources of information and that their need for professional confidentiality is respected.”

In sum, the basic principle that journalists have a right to protect their sources is well-established in international law. Many states, including Kazakhstan94 and Uzbekistan,95 have adopted legislation with the purpose of implementing the right. Often, however, such legislation falls short of international standards in this area, because it is either too narrow in its understanding of who is a “journalist” or too broad in its definition of exceptions to the right.



So, the McCann-haters are demanding that the UK State overturn all that Human Rights legislation over something which is already known to the REAL police?

Does it never, ever dawn on them that they're being played?

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Post  Sabot on Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:38 am

I agree with you, Bonny. But they are too thick to see what they are doing. Apart the Police already knowing the name of The Dossier Compiler, it hardly seems like Brunt's responsibility anyway. And who exactly is going to "Force" him?

Nope, They just want the name and to see Martin Brunt castigated.

Oh, and No, I don't believe The Times article is correct.
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Post  Sabot on Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:43 am

Only in Exceptional Circumstances. Which this isn't.
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Post  bb1 on Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:00 pm

There's something hinky going on, IMO, Sabot.

The REAL police know all about the dossier. The REAL police have also had full access to Leyland's computer/s. So why on EARTH would the coroner need to ask Brunt who did what, when she has first-hand evidence from a legal, State entity?

Some game is being played out here, and it involves the Murdoch media - and, I suspect, Poulton, too.

That it's so easy to manipulate the haters into demanding MORE State control of the media is, frankly, terrifying. This goes way, way beyond wanting the media to stop printing outright lies and smears. If this precedent was set, the media would never, ever again be able to expose any kind of wrongdoing, from MPs fiddling their expenses to institutionalised child abuse.

What the haters are demanding is a State Censor's dream.

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Post  bb1 on Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:36 pm


Leicestershire police wrote to Sky on behalf of the coroner, Catherine Mason, asking a series of questions including the identity of the person who was behind the dossier of tweets. Sky has said that it will protect its source, arguing that its rights are protected under European law. It is understood that neither the police nor the coroner have responded since.


That suggests that this is NOT going to be pursued. Not least because it is a. Stupid and b. A contravention of long-established UK and European Human Rights legislation.

But hey, if the haters want to carry on doing the State Censor's job for them, demanding that that is overturned, who are we to object? They are, predictably, showing themselves up, which is always good.

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Post  Sabot on Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:41 pm

Well, if we've sussed the hard core of Brenda Leyland's tweets, then so will the Coroner have done.

I am really sorry that her life was so awful that she had to spend it sending vile Tweets. And even more sorry that she felt the need to kill herself. But it isn't actually anyone's fault.

Hinky? Were The Government waiting for something like this? I don't particularly care, but they aren't all that happy with all of The Exposing going on. MPs Expenses and Paedophile Cover Ups being the most obvious. But I don't think Sky News, or even Martin Brunt have much to fear.
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Post  bb1 on Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:53 pm

But I don't think Sky News, or even Martin Brunt have much to fear.

Neither do I, Sabot - we actually know very little about what happened over those two or three days, for all the hot air being emitted by the haters.

But would it suit Whitehall to do away with the legal protection of Sources and whistleblowers? Yes, of course it would, which may be why the Times has chosen to fly this particular kite. That the McCann-haters are demanding this happen, whilst proclaiming, Je suis Charlie, and that they are Free Thinking Truthseekers, is deeply ironic, if only to be expected from such stupid people.

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Re: McCann tweets journalist told to reveal source
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Surely if the source was just some 'troll' then Brunt would have no problem revealing them. Wonder who he's protecting .....


Try 'UK and EU civil and human rights legislation', half-wit. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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Post  bb1 on Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:38 pm

Injustice:

Quote from: Brietta on Today at 06:30:48 PM
Or even better, they could have consulted Sonia Poulton to see if she could recommend someone to be set up to talk about getting a buzz from trolling.


Back of the net! rofl rofl rofl

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Post  lily on Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:50 pm

Why not? rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
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Post  bb1 on Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:54 pm

It wouldn't surprise me one bit, Lily.

I confess, I am enjoying the spectacle of all the hypocrite haters that have been announcing, Free Speach! No Thought Police! Je suis Charlie! now demanding that a reporter should be forced by the State to reveal his sources because it suits their agenda and mindset.

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