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Re: Free speech in Portugal

Post  bb1 on Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:14 pm

Not yet, Lily - you know how they like to bury Portuguese news that doesn't suit their agenda.

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Re: Free speech in Portugal

Post  lily on Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:20 pm

Absolutely.  Can't let the light of reality in there.....Pcorneater
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Re: Free speech in Portugal

Post  bb1 on Sat Oct 24, 2015 11:04 pm

Dirty politics in Portugal:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11949701/AEP-Eurozone-crosses-Rubicon-as-Portugals-anti-euro-Left-banned-from-power.html

Eurozone crosses Rubicon as Portugal's anti-euro Left banned from power
Constitutional crisis looms after anti-austerity Left is denied parliamentary prerogative to form a majority government

Portugal has entered dangerous political waters. For the first time since the creation of Europe’s monetary union, a member state has taken the explicit step of forbidding eurosceptic parties from taking office on the grounds of national interest.
Anibal Cavaco Silva, Portugal’s constitutional president, has refused to appoint a Left-wing coalition government even though it secured an absolute majority in the Portuguese parliament and won a mandate to smash the austerity regime bequeathed by the EU-IMF Troika.
• Indebted Portugal is still the problem child of the eurozone
He deemed it too risky to let the Left Bloc or the Communists come close to power, insisting that conservatives should soldier on as a minority in order to satisfy Brussels and appease foreign financial markets.

Democracy must take second place to the higher imperative of euro rules and membership.
“In 40 years of democracy, no government in Portugal has ever depended on the support of anti-European forces, that is to say forces that campaigned to abrogate the Lisbon Treaty, the Fiscal Compact, the Growth and Stability Pact, as well as to dismantle monetary union and take Portugal out of the euro, in addition to wanting the dissolution of NATO,” said Mr Cavaco Silva.


More at link.

Democracy must take second place to the higher imperative of euro rules and membership.


Astounding; I seem to recall Portugal has previous experience of leaders that don't approve of all that boring 'democracy' stuff....

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Re: Free speech in Portugal

Post  lily on Sat Oct 24, 2015 11:10 pm


Democracy must take second place to the higher imperative of euro rules and membership.



No it does not.
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Re: Free speech in Portugal

Post  Sabot on Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:09 am

Socrates says that "there is in our society a hidden power" between "some elements of justice and some elements of journalism." The former prime minister says that the media calls the "public interest" but not there.

So some Elements of Justice are corrupt and in league with The Press.  Well, we all knew that.

Funny how it doesn't occur to them until it affects them personally.
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Post  bb1 on Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:05 pm

So much for Socrates being confined to a deep, dark, dungeon, as the haters like to believe...

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/politica/detalhe/socrates_esteve_uma_hora_sem_falar_nos_crimes.html

José Socrates had Monday evening 57 minutes of monologue in TVI, during which time they were not referred to the words "million", "fraud" and "bleaching", ie the central object of the process that is suspect. Since the reference to "corruption", the third of the crimes imputed to the former prime minister by the Public Ministry (MP), came just five minutes before the end of the interview, after José Alberto Carvalho have been able to ask a question about the only assumption it did not substantiate custody. Socrates: danger of continued criminal activity - was, yes, the investigation disruption of danger and, initially, also the trail In the studio TVI, Socrates wove harsh attacks on prosecution, again paste the case back to PS and accused the judges of "terrorism". "The attorney general has to give an explanation," said Socrates, insisting on the idea that is no more than a year without charge, when he admitted that he hoped the PS at the end of six months, questioned whether "would not be the moment to present the evidence. " "The political fallout has already occurred, the PS has already lost the elections," he added, accusing the MP of "personal persecution".

Ler mais em: http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/politica/detalhe/socrates_esteve_uma_hora_sem_falar_nos_crimes.html


Far from being silenced forever, he's back on telly and sounding rather cross.....

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Re: Free speech in Portugal

Post  Sabot on Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:44 am


Have I missed something?

Just had a look at a post that I made on Octobre the 25th. I had no idea that I was that smart.
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Re: Free speech in Portugal

Post  Jean-Pierre.t50 on Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:12 am

Sabot wrote:
Have I missed something?

Just had a look at a post that I made on Octobre the 25th.  I had no idea that I was that smart.

Of course you are!

Socrates is quite right - it was almost exactly a year ago that he was arrested, and thus far there have been no charges.

I have no idea whether there is any foundation in the rumours of corruption etc. If there is a - but is it acceptable to keep him in limbo for this long?

We have seen too much of this - a high profile arrest, blaze of publicity, no smoke without fire etc. Then "oh well, no further action due to lack of evidence",

oh dear, sorry about the lost couple of years and your trashed reputation, cant make an omlette without breaking a few eggs, never mind.



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