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Post  lily on Sun May 15, 2016 6:02 pm

Blair should be held accountable for his actions but that is easier said than done?
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Post  bb1 on Sun May 15, 2016 6:14 pm

Yes, Lily - and he is an EX prime minister, which rather complicates impeachment. The Chilcott report is supposedly due out in a couple of months, so maybe things will become clearer then, though I am not counting on it.

Political point-scoring won't help, and neither will going off at half-cock, however exciting the headlines may look.

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Post  bb1 on Mon May 16, 2016 10:59 pm

Just seen this...

Two MPs' marriages in tatters after they BOTH have affairs with the same blonde writer: High-profile SNP figures split from their wives after being caught in 'love triangle'
Serena Cowdy has enjoyed affairs with two married MPs from same party
Stewart Hosie, 53, and Angus MacNeil, 45, have left their wives after affairs
Scottish National Party MPs said to have clashed over affection for Cowdy
Political journalist said to have told friends that she saw MPs as romantic revolutionaries, describing them as 'the Mujahideen of British politicians'



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3593617/Two-MPs-marriages-tatters-affairs-blonde-writer-High-profile-SNP-figures-split-wives-caught-love-triangle.html#ixzz48rIVvkln
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Post  bb1 on Tue May 17, 2016 11:57 am

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7155077/Two-MPs-marriages-destroyed-after-they-both-have-affairs-with-the-SAME-blonde-journalist-in-messy-love-triangle.html

McNeil has previous form for this sort of thing....

Mrs MacNeil had stayed with her husband after he was caught with two teenage girls in a hotel room in 2007 while she, then pregnant, was in hospital.


But HOSIE????

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Post  bb1 on Tue May 17, 2016 12:31 pm



The Mujahideen of British politicians

I do hope the woman's guide dog isn't being neglected because of all this scandal.

Sorry, can't help it - rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

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Post  lily on Tue May 17, 2016 4:10 pm

rofl rofl rofl
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Post  bb1 on Tue May 17, 2016 8:37 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/17/snp-love-triangle-scandal-nicola-sturgeon-makes-feelings-clear-i/

SNP love triangle scandal: Nicola Sturgeon makes feelings clear in embrace with scorned minister after affair allegations




Shona Robison with Nicola Sturgeon at the Scottish Parliament on Tuesday  CREDIT: ANDREW MILLIGAN/PA

If Ms Sturgeon is on the warpath, the Caledonian Mujahadeen should be very, very afraid. Especially as this is getting worse...

The senior MP announced on Sunday that he was separating from Ms Robison, while Mr MacNeil - previously caught with two teenage girls in a hotel room while his wife was pregnant -  announced his separation from Jane last year, shortly after his alleged affair with Miss Cowdy ended.

Mr Hosie had his credit card blocked by parliamentary authorities during the period he was believed to have started wining and dining Ms Cowdy, the Daily Telegraph can disclose. He refused to comment when approached last night
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MacNeil has also had issues with hotels and expenses.....

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-mp-angus-macneil-slams-watchdog-stance-on-hotel-bills-1-4038125

SNP MP Angus MacNeil slams watchdog stance on hotel bills

An SNP MP has lashed out at the expenses watchdog after it refused to fund £250-a-night hotel bills.

Angus MacNeil insisted the rates had been the cheapest available and complained that he was being forced to “subsidise” his work by repaying nearly £900.





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Post  bb1 on Tue May 17, 2016 8:38 pm


"Serena is from London and went to Oxford, but since starting work in Parliament has never stopped going on about the SNP being like the Mujahideen," the acquaintance reportedly said.

"She says she can't resist them. She was having an affair with Angus MacNeil during the independence referendum campaign - and boasted that when he was on TV talking about it, she's texted him and he'd looked at his phone. He used to take her to the Park Plaza hotel in Waterloo for the night.

"Now she's with Stewart Hosie and has been for some time and it's very serious. He's helped her through difficult times in her personal life."


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Post  lily on Tue May 17, 2016 10:23 pm

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Post  bb1 on Tue May 17, 2016 10:45 pm



Awesome. I genuinely have trouble seeing Stewart Hosie as 'irresistable'. Oh, and there's a much more serious row growing over the circumstances of the release of the Lockerbie bomber.

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Post  bb1 on Tue May 17, 2016 10:53 pm



Please, please don't let them be forced to resign so we have to have yet more elections.

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Post  lily on Tue May 17, 2016 10:59 pm

Amazing.......not.  Rolling Eyes
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Post  bb1 on Tue May 17, 2016 11:04 pm

IMO, it's the expenses which are going to be their downfall, Lily. Fun's fun - until it's on the taxpayers' bill....


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Post  lily on Tue May 17, 2016 11:45 pm

I agree with you Bonny.   The entitlement some feel regarding expenses is repugnant.
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Post  bb1 on Wed May 18, 2016 10:34 am

It's the expenses that are going to sink them - that, and the ridicule-



Oh God.



Oh Lord.

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Post  lily on Wed May 18, 2016 4:52 pm

Oh gawd.   Shocked
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Post  lily on Sat May 21, 2016 10:46 pm

Oh dear me, NO.  Tony might cry.
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Post  bb1 on Sat May 21, 2016 11:11 pm

This is bubbling away, too:



I confess, I can't make head nor tail of the accusations flying around for the present.

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Post  lily on Sat May 21, 2016 11:20 pm

They are saying it was the Palestinians who did it?
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Post  bb1 on Sat May 21, 2016 11:24 pm

It looks like it, Lily, but the whole thing is so murky, with so many conflicting allegations, I admit to being a bit lost. It may become clearer after the whole story appears?

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Post  lily on Sat May 21, 2016 11:32 pm

Let us hope so, Bonny.
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Post  bb1 on Sun May 22, 2016 10:50 am

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14508783.Revealed__MacAskill_may_have_breached_Official_Secrets_Act_over_Lockerbie/

Former justice minister Kenny MacAskill has revealed details of highly classified secret document which casts serious doubt on the safety of the conviction of Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset al-Megrahi.

However, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) has said that the revelation, which will appear in MacAskill's new book about the downing of Pan Am flight 103, 'might' constitute a breach of the Official Secrets Act.

It is understood the FCO only became aware that top secret details were disclosed in MacAskill’s book when the Sunday Herald contacted the UK government about the revelations. Officials are now believed to be seeking legal advice.


The person who discloses information is guilty of an offence if they do so “without lawful authority knowing, or having reasonable cause to believe, that it is protected against disclosure”.

In his book, ‘The Lockerbie Bombing: The Search for Justice’, which is due to be released on Thursday, MacAskill reveals details of a secret document which implicates the terror group the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC) in the Lockerbie bombing carried out on December 21 1988.

The PFLP-GC were the original suspects in the investigation into the biggest terrorist atrocity ever to have been committed in mainland Britain, which claimed the lives of 270 people, including 11 Lockerbie residents.

However, by 1991 police and prosecutors were entirely focused on Libya and in 2001 Megrahi – who was a former Libyan intelligence officer - was convicted of the bombing and sentenced to life in prison.

He was released by MacAskill in August 2009 on compassionate grounds due to ill health and died of cancer two years and nine months later in Tripoli.

The significance of the document which implicates the PFLP-GC is played down by MacAskill in his book but it does suggest others may have been involved in the bombing.

The details of the document are covered by a strict Whitehall gagging order. The document in question was the subject of a legal wrangle during Megrahi’s second appeal against conviction.

The Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission (SCCRC) referred the case to the High Court on the basis that there may have been a miscarriage of justice.

That conclusion was reached after the SCCRC team that investigated Megrahi's conviction discovered the existence of the document during their four-year probe which concluded in 2007.

Their 800-page report explains that their investigative team were allowed to access the document in Dumfries police station but they were prevented from removing the notes they made on it and the document itself.

The SCCRC was only able to access the document after signing up to a special agreement not to divulge the contents and was told by the Crown that “a conclusion was reached that the documents did not require to be disclosed in terms of the Crown's obligations”.

When Megrahi’s defence team pushed for the recovery of the information the Lord Advocate took the view that it would be appropriate to disclose the document.

However, the Advocate General, representing the UK government, produced a public interest immunity (PII) certificate signed by then Foreign Secretary David Miliband, which blocked the disclosure on the grounds of national security.

A spokeswoman for the FCO confirmed that “the [PII] certificate is still active” and “if the material protected by the certificate were disclosed, it might constitute a breach of the Official Secrets Act.”



Well, it's not terribly Secret now, is it?

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Post  bb1 on Sun May 22, 2016 10:52 am

More:

She added: “It would be for the publisher of the book to seek their own legal advice about any legal risks they are running.”

A Scottish Government spokeswoman said: “This is a matter for the publisher to advise upon.”

In 2012 the UK Government went to great lengths to prevent our sister paper The Herald revealing details of the document.

It threatened legal action to stop publication and asked the paper to sign up to a court-approved gagging order.

At that time only the Crown, UK Government and SCCRC team knew the contents of the closely guarded document.

The Herald did publish some details which implicated the PFLP-GC, and revealed that the document originated in Jordan.

MacAskill, however, has gone much further, naming key individuals who were party to the contents of the document, and the potential security ramifications of its release into the public domain.

The Sunday Herald has chosen - after consultation with our lawyers - not to publish the full details of the document despite knowing its contents.

Co-founder of campaigning organisation Lockerbie Truth, Dr Jim Swire, 80, whose daughter Flora was killed in the bombing, said the revelations confirmed his suspicions about the potential involvement of the PFLP-GC.

He said: “It’s exactly what the relatives of the victims have thought for many years. I hope that the book is published without interference. It may lead us to find ways of breaking through the refusal to look again at the evidence used to convict Megrahi.

“This sort of thing - pointing to official knowledge of the real perpetrators - could be absolutely crucial.”

A Crown Office spokesman said: “The Crown has had no involvement in the publication of the former Cabinet Secretary’s book and cannot therefore comment on its content ahead of publication.

“The suggestion that the PFLP-GC was responsible for the Lockerbie bombing was fully considered by the trial court following the incrimination of this terrorist group by Megrahi during his trial and does nothing to undermine the Crown's case that Megrahi acted with others in the bombing of flight Pan Am 103.

“All material which met the Crown's disclosure obligations in relation to the PFLP-GC was properly disclosed to the defence before the trial and this was confirmed by the SCCRC's investigation.

“The court concluded that the conception, planning and execution of the plot which led to the bombing was of Libyan origin. The court was, of course, only dealing with evidence, not matters of opinion or conjecture.”

When asked about the possible breach of the PII certificate, Victoria Gilder, Publicity Director at Biteback, the publisher of MacAskill’s book, said: “Sorry, I can’t comment on that because I don’t know anything about it.

“The book is embargoed until next week…you’re not supposed to run anything. It’s embargoed until Monday.”

Last night a Foreign Office spokesman confirmed that the government department has not seen a copy of the book, but added: “We take the protection of material covered by Public Interest Immunity certificates extremely seriously.”

The Sunday Herald repeatedly contacted MacAskill but he did not respond to a request for comment, and his publisher indicated that he is unable to comment until the book embargo is lifted on Monday.


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Post  lily on Sun May 22, 2016 3:55 pm

Interesting......Cool
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