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Post  bb1 on Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:15 am

Incidentally, it's possible everyone is jumping to the wrong conclusions about the catalyst for the fire, and that it wasn't the fridge.

Was the gas supply competently installed? Well, no, as an unprotected pipe went up the side of the stairs, and blue flames can be seen in many videos. We simply do not know - and that's why it takes time, and investigation by experts, to get to the root causes, as well as other factors that contributed to the death toll.

This isn't CSI, where everything is 'solved' in an hour.

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Post  bb1 on Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:34 pm

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/sixtyeight-flats-in-2bn-luxury-block-to-be-given-to-families-whose-lives-were-devastated-in-grenfell-a3569876.html

Residents evacuated from Grenfell Tower are set to move into a £2 billion luxury complex in the heart of Kensington, the Standard can reveal.

Plans are pressing ahead for some of the families made homeless from the devastating fire to be housed in one of London’s most desirable addresses.

The Standard can reveal that new flats in a Kensington High Street development — where penthouses go for up to £13 million — will be used to provide accommodation for families following the huge blaze that destroyed the tower block last week.

Sixty-eight flats in the Kensington Row scheme have been acquired, at a cost of tens of millions of pounds, to permanently house families from Grenfell Tower, which is just a couple of miles away.
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Post  bb1 on Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:52 pm

http://news.sky.com/story/toxic-gases-released-during-grenfell-tower-fire-may-have-caused-some-deaths-10922685

Insulation boards fitted to the outside of Grenfell Tower gave off highly toxic hydrogen cyanide gas which may have contributed to the deaths of some of the 79 confirmed victims.

Fire toxicity experts have told Sky News the insulation boards installed during a refurbishment of the tower produce the deadly gas when they burn, and their positioning meant every flat could have been filled with enough gas to kill those inside.

At least three of those injured in the fire have been treated with an antidote for hydrogen cyanide poisoning in hospital, and the number of those affected may be higher.

The gas could have incapacitated some residents, but establishing its role in the cause of death may be impossible because of the condition of the victims.

King's College Hospital confirmed to Sky News that three of the 12 patients it received from the fire were treated with the hydrogen cyanide antidote Cyanokit.

Four other hospital trusts declined to comment on the treatment administered to those injured in the fire.

An initial 68 patients were taken to six hospitals across London, with 18 receiving critical care and some put into induced comas to aid in the recovery of damaged airways.

As of Wednesday morning, 10 people were still being treated in four hospitals, six of them in critical care.

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Post  bb1 on Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:56 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grenfell-tower-latest-600-high-rise-apartment-blocks-same-combustible-cladding-councils-estimate-a7802406.html

As many as 600 high-rise buildings have similar cladding to Grenfell Tower, councils in England have estimated, according to Downing Street.

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I doubt if many of the councils are Tory - this could get a bit embarrassing for Corbyn......

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Post  Sabot on Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:04 pm


It was pretty obvious that this was going to happen. Serves him right.
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Post  bb1 on Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:11 pm

Quite, Sabot. This is what proper investigations are for - but Corbyn and others chose, instead, to shout and bawl, and whip up mob violence.

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Post  Sabot on Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:58 pm


The Day of Rage doesn't seem to have gone all that well. The majority of people appear to be disgusted.
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Post  bb1 on Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:19 pm

Looked to me like the usual rent-a-mob of ugly, unwashed rubbish shouting and screeching at the police - I suspect Corbyn's over-reached himself and annoyed a great many people - as well as not helping, practically, one bit.

As with all catastrophes, there will not be just one single factor which contributed to the death toll at Grenfell. The flammable cladding is one, a possibly dodgy gas supply is another.

But - it's been reported that the reason the firefighters struggled to get a water supply inside the building is that the 'wet' risers had been vandalised. That's got naff-all to do with Evil Tory Austerity.

Neither has illegally sub-letting flats in the building. Were all the corridors being kept clear, and the heavy fire doors closed? These are all contributory factors, and there will be more - there always are.

Corbyn and his rabble-rousers would be well advised to STFU till more is known.

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Post  bb1 on Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:14 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/22/grenfell-tower-camden-council-to-remove-cladding-from-five-tower-blocks?CMP=twt_gu

Camden council in London will immediately remove cladding similar to that which burned rapidly on Grenfell Tower from five blocks in the borough, and accused contractors of fitting flammable materials below the standard requested.

The council leader, Georgia Gould, revealed the outer cladding panels on five blocks in the borough were also made up of aluminium panels with a polyethylene core – the kind which is believed to have helped the fire at Grenfell spread across the building.

The buildings on the Chalcots estate had been independently tested by the Building Research Establishment after the tragedy, which is believed to have killed at least 79 people last week.


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The council also pledged round-the-clock fire safety patrols on the estate’s corridors “to reassure residents and carry out enhanced fire safety checks” until the cladding has been removed.

“The panels that were fitted were not to the standard that we had commissioned,” said Gould. “In light of this, we will be informing the contractor that we will be taking urgent legal advice.”


Not surprised - putting this right is going to cost a fortune, and it would seem only right that the cost should be born by whoever put on inferior cladding.

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Post  bb1 on Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:16 am

BREAKING NEWS: Grenfell Tower inferno was started by a Hotpoint fridge freezer and cladding FAILS safety tests, police reveal as they consider manslaughter charges
At least 600 tower blocks across the UK are wrapped in similar cladding found on Grenfell Tower death trap
Theresa May said tests had shown cladding at least 7 tower blocks 'combustible' - 100 will be tested per day
Sajid Javid has since confirmed the number of 'combustible' towers is 11, across eight local authorities
Camden Council says five blocks have dangerous cladding and work will start immediately to rip it all off
Residents tell MailOnline they cannot sleep at night but are being told to stay in the blocks during works
Camden likely to sue contractor Rydon - who also installed panels at Grenfell - claiming work 'not to standard'
Three blocks in Plymouth, Devon, have same panels and blocks in Barnet also having cladding torn away


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Post  bb1 on Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:32 am

http://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-tower-blaze-started-in-fridge-freezer-10924716

The Grenfell Tower blaze started in a Hotpoint fridge freezer and the building's insulation and cladding have failed safety tests, according to investigators.

The insulation was also found to be more flammable than the cladding tiles, police revealed.

They also said the Hotpoint FF175BP model had not been subject to any product recall and further tests were being carried out on the fridge.

The inferno at the 24-storey building in Kensington left 79 dead or missing presumed dead.

Nine victims had so far been formally identified.

Metropolitan Police Detective Superintendent Fiona McCormack said the force will consider manslaughter charges as part of the investigation into the disaster.

Documents and materials had been seized from a "number of organisations", she added.

She said: "We are look at every criminal offence from manslaughter onwards, we are looking at every health and safety and fire safety offences and we are reviewing every company at the moment involved in the building and refurbishment of Grenfell Tower."

Ms McCormack repeated calls for members of the public with information about people who may have been in the tower at the time of the fire to come forward.

She reassured people their immigration status would not be investigated.

She was also aware of illegal subletting and that there may be visitors unaccounted for.

Ms McCormack said: "Every complete body has been removed from the building.

"What we are dealing with now, as you can imagine in the intense heat, is a very distressing scene.

"What we haven't got is a picture of how many people might have been in there.

"That's the number in really worried about, that there might have been other innocent people in there."

She added: "There is a terrible reality that we may not find or identify everyone who died due to the intense heat."

Of the tests carried out on the tiles and insulation, Ms McCormack said: "All I can say at the moment is they (tiles and insulation) don't pass any safety tests.

"What we are being told at the moment by the Building Research Establishment is that the cladding and insulation failed all safety tests."

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Post  Lamplighter on Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:24 pm

Camden evacuates tower block after Grenfell fire.

Camden Council will evacuate 161 households from a tower block tonight amid fire safety concerns.

The move follows news that similar cladding was used on the Chalcots Estate to that which spread the Grenfell Tower fire in Kensington earlier this month.

http://news.sky.com/story/camden-evacuates-tower-block-after-grenfell-fire-10925449
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Post  bb1 on Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:34 pm

Sky News Correspondent Paul Kelso said: "It did not feel like a situation yesterday where they were going to be evacuating people but clearly they discovered something.

"It's obviously a tragedy and scandal in west London at the Grenfell Tower but it's now emerging as a picture of a national scandal."


It sure is - and as far as I can make out, it is a Labour scandal. Corbyn really should have waited for those boring old facts to emerge before he mouthed off.

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Oh. That's a Labour council.

Oh. That's Corbyn's constituency.

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Post  Lamplighter on Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:50 pm

Camden London Borough Council was controlled by the Labour Party continuously from 1971 until the 2006 election.
That would cover the time in the middle/end of the 1970s when Labour were warned about the cladding danger as I recall. LL
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Post  bb1 on Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:53 pm

Blair started the 'cladding' business because it was EU-approved and supposedly environmentally-friendly...

It's up to five blocks now:

http://news.sky.com/story/camden-evacuates-tower-block-after-grenfell-fire-10925449


Camden Council will evacuate 800 households from five tower blocks tonight amid fire safety concerns.

I wonder, has some other horror been uncovered besides the cladding?

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Post  Lamplighter on Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:56 pm

Just seen on BBC that people are refusing to leave, others are angry at the disruption .... I despair!! LL Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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Post  bb1 on Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:01 pm

I ceased being surprised at the stupidity of many people long ago, LL.

Simple solution - if they want to stay put, get them to sign disclaimers saying they won't sue anyone if the building goes up, and they won't want any firemen risking their lives to rescue them, either.

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Post  Lamplighter on Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:03 pm

Well, I think I will go watch some TV - lots of stupidity tomorrow, I guess. LL hug
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The world is not short of stupid people. Enjoy the telly!

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Any sign of Jezza turning up and hugging and crying over the displaced residents of Camden and Islington tower blocks? Is it different because these are Labour councils, and Islington is his constituency, and it's all a bit embarrassing after the act he put on while Grenfell was still burning?

Or is he too busy sucking up to rich kids who've paid hundreds of pounds to stand in muddy fields, and who worship 'Jeremy' like a bunch of braindead sheep, incapable of seeing what a charlatan he is?

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Post  Sabot on Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:11 am


Corbyn certainly hasn't done himself any favours this last week. Hahaha.
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Post  bb1 on Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:25 am

He's shown himself up as a complete hypocrite, frankly - though most of us knew he was already.

I must say, I have just enjoyed seeing an elderly Camden dog-owner giving some local Labour apparatchik a piece of her mind over this utter shambles. Pretty hard to blame Evil Tories for this one!

Frankly, all those people who rushed to judgement while the building was still burning would have been well-advised to STFU.

The whole world saw the damned cladding turn into a Roman candle, and that there were blue flames in some parts which suggest there was a problem with the gas; that much was obvious. But to think that cladding would only be on a building on one of the few Tory-controlled city areas was sheer damned bigotry and stupidity.

Labour council have been a by-word for corruption for decades, after all....

Incidentally, assorted Scots councils have been occupying themselves trying to set fire to cladding samples, without success, so fingers crossed, the dangerous stuff hasn't been used here. Though it still looks awful.

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http://news.sky.com/story/london-tower-block-evacuation-4000-displaced-in-camden-10925745

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Ms Gould explained that the council had a conversation with the London Fire Brigade at 5pm on Friday who said the buildings were unsafe.

She said: "We offered to do anything we could to keep the residents there, such as 24-hour fire wardens, I even offered to pay for fire engines, but the fire brigade said there was nothing we could do to make them safe.


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Responding to mounting criticism over Camden's handling of the evacuation, Sajid Javid, the Communities and Local Government minister told Sky News: "After the Grenfell Tower tragedy, it is vital we carry out checks and make sure people are safe.

"The the local fire safety authority found alongside the cladding problem, which is a serious problem, multiple fire safety failures, including, for example, insulation of gas pipes, fire doors missing, plywood above doors and that's what makes Camden different and why the decision was made to evacuate."


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