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Post  bb1 on Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:55 am


Cladding believed to have been used on Grenfell Tower is banned in the US, it has emerged, amid revelations that it would have cost just £5,000 extra for the contractors to apply a fire-resistant version of panelling to the building.


OMG. Those responsible would be put in front of a firing squad for all this in a few less 'civilised' countries....

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Post  bb1 on Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:01 am

Fire Brigade Union safety expert David Sibert said: ‘The principle that tower blocks are built on is that every flat is a fire-resisting box – every flat is completely surrounded by fire-resisting construction from the rest of the building.
‘So you should be able to set fire to your own flat and leave it to completely burn out and it won’t affect anybody else in the building.’



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Hmmm. Saying nothing.

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Post  Sabot on Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:07 am

bb1 wrote:Fire Brigade Union safety expert David Sibert said: ‘The principle that tower blocks are built on is that every flat is a fire-resisting box – every flat is completely surrounded by fire-resisting construction from the rest of the building.
‘So you should be able to set fire to your own flat and leave it to completely burn out and it won’t affect anybody else in the building.’



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Hmmm. Saying nothing.

Excepting that when The Cladding caught fire when the window at the original seat of the fire shattered from the internal heat, and when the external heat from The Cladding shattered more windows from outside, setting fire to curtains and such, this might well have worked.

Who ever was responsible for passing the specifications for The Cladding is in serious trouble. I can hardly wait to see them all trying to talk themselves out of that one.
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Post  bb1 on Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:23 am

I doubt if many windows even shattered, Sabot. It was a warm night, so a lot of them would have been open, with curtains billowing about. Also, the original metal frames had been replaced with 'green' glorified plastic.

I am sure fire investigators will be looking at the original alleged source of ignition, the supposed 'exploding fridge'. Now, EU-approved 'green' fridges have been known to catch fire, but it wouldn't be the first time someone has set things on fire deliberately for an insurance claim, or to get better accommodation.

Not accusing, just saying.....

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Post  Sabot on Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:45 am

bb1 wrote:I doubt if many windows even shattered, Sabot. It was a warm night, so a lot of them would have been open, with curtains billowing about. Also, the original metal frames had been replaced with 'green' glorified plastic.

I am sure fire investigators will be looking at the original alleged source of ignition, the supposed 'exploding fridge'. Now, EU-approved 'green' fridges have been known to catch fire, but it wouldn't be the first time someone has set things on fire deliberately for an insurance claim, or to get better accommodation.

Not accusing, just saying.....

But the external fire was going to get in even open windows. Probably especially open windows. At least 90% of the flats on fire was caused from outside. The flats on the top three floors didn't catch fire from the 4th story flat where the fridge caught fire.
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Post  bb1 on Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:59 am

Do you watch Air Crash Investigation, Sabot? There's never just one thing that causes disasters, there is always a chain of events leading up to the crash, generally caused by people simply not doing their jobs...

I have no doubt that it was the damned cladding that caused the horrific death toll, but there are also stories about holes being made in internal walls for new gas pipes and not being sealed properly, which helped spread the blaze internally. And some of those who escaped reported seeing blue flames inside, which could only have come from natural gas burning.

I suspect the public inquiry is going to reveal a catalogue of horrors and sloppy work - and fire doors being propped open, unauthorised sub-lets, etc.

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Post  Sabot on Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:15 am


I was an Air Mechanic, Bonny. I know all about Air Crash Investigations. But in that sort of investigation it is always easier to track who did what, or didn't, because everyone has to sign for what they did.

Try sorting this one with high profile lawyers who will all be passing the buck.

Give me a shout in ten years time when some poor bugger is made a scapegoat.
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Post  bb1 on Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:19 am



The fire-ravaged building stands over surrounding streets as the search goes on for those not seen since the blaze

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The very fact that it's still upright suggests that the original building may have been rundown and tatty, but was well-enough built. It was the 'improvements' that have caused this disaster.....

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Post  bb1 on Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:21 am


Try sorting this one with high profile lawyers who will all be passing the buck.

Oh, I have no doubt that lawyers are going to make a fortune out of this, Sabot. However - one of their big problems is going to be the blogs, etc., from residents written some time ago warning that this tower was an accident waiting to happen.

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Post  Sabot on Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:39 am

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Try sorting this one with high profile lawyers who will all be passing the buck.

Oh, I have no doubt that lawyers are going to make a fortune out of this, Sabot. However - one of their big problems is going to be the blogs, etc., from residents written some time ago warning that this tower was an accident waiting to happen.

Warning who? Although that will no doubt be apparent.

I just can't get my head around the complete contempt for human life.
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Post  bb1 on Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:50 am

It's all online, Sabot:

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2016/11/20/kctmo-playing-with-fire/

KCTMO – Playing with fire!
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We have blogged many times on the subject of fire safety at Grenfell Tower and we believe that these investigations will become part of damning evidence of the poor safety record of the KCTMO should a fire affect any other of their properties and cause the loss of life that we are predicting:


Previous to that, the local council had threatened the bloggers if they didn't stop complaining:




It's going to be very difficult for even the fanciest lawyers to talk their way out of that, and more besides.

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Post  bb1 on Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:22 pm

The known death toll is now up to thirty, including one person who has died in hospital.

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Post  bb1 on Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:26 pm



Queen Elizabeth II meets members of the community affected by the fire at Grenfell Tower in west London during a visit to the Westway Sports Centre which is providing temporary shelter for those who have been made homeless in the disaster

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HM shows up Mrs May, yet again.

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Post  bb1 on Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:32 pm

http://news.sky.com/story/west-london-fire-live-fire-service-chief-confirms-there-have-been-fatalities-10915010

At least 30 people are now known to have died in the tower inferno.

Police say there is no suggestion so far that the fire was started deliberately.


I am sure the 'exploding fridge' is being looked at very carefully.....

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Post  bb1 on Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:32 pm

https://order-order.com/2017/06/16/corbynistas-peddle-grenfell-d-notice-fake-news/

Prominent Corbynistas have been peddling false claims this afternoon that the government has issued a D-Notice preventing the reporting of the death toll from Grenfell. The lie was reported by the prominent Corbynista site Skwawkbox, which claimed “multiple sources told the Skwawkbox that the government has placed a ‘D-notice’ on the real number of deaths in the blaze”. The ‘story’ was also promoted by two other viral Corbynista sites Evolve Politics and Novara Media....etc.

Corbyn and co are starting to annoy me intensely over their exploitation of this catastrophe - notice neither he, nor his millionaire Marxist chums, have offered to house anyone in their second or third homes? And his kindly grandfather act makes me vomit .

He is also ignoring the fact that elsewhere in the country, LABOUR councils have been splattering their properties with this plastic crap. Labour and SNP councils in Scotland have been enthusiastically wrapping buildings in plastic because it's 'good for the environment'.

And if anyone thinks that backhanders, poor materials and sloppy work haven't been involved in those 'improvements' - I have a bridge to sell you.

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Post  Lamplighter on Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:30 pm

He's trying to down the legitimate government in any way he can which doesn't surprise me in the slightest. He can't afford to have an-indepth investigation into the Grenfell affair as then the Labor government will be exposed as having known about the problems years ago and doing nothing about them, nor passing their information onto the incoming Tory government. LL
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Post  bb1 on Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:39 pm

Exactly, LL - corruption and incompetence isn't the preserve of any one political party.

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Post  bb1 on Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:40 pm

http://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-fire-protesters-enter-kensington-and-chelsea-town-hall-10917777

Protesters demonstrating over the deadly Grenfell Tower blaze have entered Kensington and Chelsea town hall.

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Investigators in orange suits were seen on the roof of the building today as they assess how stable the remaining structure is

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OMG, look at that picture! The un-clad top is barely even scorched......

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Post  bb1 on Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:34 pm

http://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-fire-protesters-enter-kensington-and-chelsea-town-hall-10917777

Grenfell Tower fire protesters storm Kensington and Chelsea town hall
Dozens of demonstrators shout "we want justice", as Sky News understands the number of people feared dead is now around 70.

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Post  Sabot on Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:39 pm

bb1 wrote:https://order-order.com/2017/06/16/corbynistas-peddle-grenfell-d-notice-fake-news/

Prominent Corbynistas have been peddling false claims this afternoon that the government has issued a D-Notice preventing the reporting of the death toll from Grenfell. The lie was reported by the prominent Corbynista site Skwawkbox, which claimed “multiple sources told the Skwawkbox that the government has placed a ‘D-notice’ on the real number of deaths in the blaze”. The ‘story’ was also promoted by two other viral Corbynista sites Evolve Politics and Novara Media....etc.

Corbyn and co are starting to annoy me intensely over their exploitation of this catastrophe - notice neither he, nor his millionaire Marxist chums, have offered to house anyone in their second or third homes? And his kindly grandfather act makes me vomit .

He is also ignoring the fact that elsewhere in the country, LABOUR councils have been splattering their properties with this plastic crap. Labour and SNP councils in Scotland have been enthusiastically wrapping buildings in plastic because it's 'good for the environment'.

And if anyone thinks that backhanders, poor materials and sloppy work haven't been involved in those 'improvements' - I have a bridge to sell you.

Never mind. It will all come out. They were all at it. That Corbyn idiot never thinks these things through. We will have chapter and verse by this time tomorrow.

Talk your way out of that one, Jeremy.
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Post  bb1 on Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:02 pm

His Trot chums in Momentum are behind the riot, sorry, protest:

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Bad, bad move, especially as the emergency services have more than enough to cope with. Though that's probably why the Trots are doing it....

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Post  bb1 on Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:42 pm

http://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-faces-calls-of-coward-and-shame-on-you-as-she-meets-tower-victims-10917870

The Prime Minister has been confronted by angry crowds after meeting victims of the Grenfell Tower fire in Kensington.

Mrs May had received criticism after visiting the scene of the blaze on Thursday, but failing to meet any of the survivors.

She returned to the site today, this time meeting victims and residents, but was met with cries of "coward" and "shame on you" as she left under heavy police escort.

During her visit - which lasted less than an hour - she also spoke to volunteers and community leaders at St Clement's Church.

Scuffles broke out in the crowd as the Prime Minister's car drove away from the scene of the disaster.

Earlier in the afternoon, dozens of protesters stormed the town hall shouting "we want justice" and "not 17" - referring to the previous official number of dead which has since risen to 30.

Organisers appealed for calm as hundreds of people - some of them holding posters of the missing - surrounded the building demanding answers from the council over the deaths.

Despite the official figure, Sky News understands that the number of people missing, feared dead is now around 70.

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Post  Pedro Silva on Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:23 pm

people of those angry crowds are correct to be angry, but, they should be angry with the owner of the building who didn´t showed any concern with the residents of the tower´s warnings, and not with the Prime Minister, because the tragedy that happened there it is not her fault.
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Post  bb1 on Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:39 pm

People who are already upset and grieving are being stirred up by trouble makers from outside, Pedro.

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