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Post  bb1 on Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:12 pm

I haven't been following it much either. But oddly, it ties in with one of Eddie's supposed moments of glory - the Harron case.

Yes, Eddie jumped in the stream to get at the poor woman's decomposing body.

BUT THE SMELL WAS SO BAD, HUMANS COULD SMELL IT, TOO.
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Post  bb1 on Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:25 pm

This is an interesting one - the Adrian Prout case:

http://caseblog.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/justice4adrian/defence-case/


It's worth following, as Mr Prout was convicted of killing his wife and hiding her body because of woofing.

I watched a documentary about it, and simply did not see that the prosecution had proven their case.
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Post  Chicane on Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:33 pm

I'm reading it right now, what is JCB???

JCB’s were used to search through wood chippings
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Post  Guest on Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:38 pm

I've not listened to the video.

But a "JCB" is a mechanical earth-digger, Chicane.

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Post  bb1 on Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:42 pm

One of these:

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Post  Guest on Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:48 pm

In the week before Kate disappeared, she withdrew £14,000 from one bank account and £500 from another. With that sort of money (even assuming that’s all she had) you could go just about anywhere, even abroad, for a fresh start.

That's significant.

One of the key planks of the prosecution case was that Kate's credit cards were found intact at the farm. No evidence of withdrawals from her account are supposed to have been found.

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Post  bb1 on Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:55 pm

I don't remember that being mentioned on the documentary, either, HB.

The documentary did its best to portray Mrs Prout sympathetically - without success.

Oddly, one of the reasons I feel her husband may be innocent is that he would almost certainly have received a light sentence if he had pled guilty to manslaughter - her conduct would have provoked a saint.

Given her behaviour when she'd been drinking, I felt it was entirely possible she had thrown herself in a river or something in a fit of attention-seeking hysterics, which had gone wrong.
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Post  Chicane on Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:00 pm

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Post  Guest on Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:06 pm

This is worth a read:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article7016580.ece

Not only her credit cards but also her passport were found at the farm.

That means that, if she travelled abroad, she must have done so on a disguised identity and faked passport.

Possible, I suppose ...

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Post  bb1 on Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:09 pm

Ireland?
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Post  Guest on Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:14 pm

Northern Ireland, maybe, but wouldn't you need a passport to get to the republic?

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Post  Guest on Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:19 pm

I suppose the other possibility is that she might, simply have applied for a new passport. But again, if she travelled in her own name, there would be some record of her travel arrangements with an airline or shipping company.

What evidence is there of this very large withdrawal she is supposed to have made referred to in the blog?

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Post  Lamplighter on Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:24 pm

honestbroker wrote:Northern Ireland, maybe, but wouldn't you need a passport to get to the republic?
The North/South Irish border is, in certain remote areas, as porous as they come! Tht's how the old IRA could easily come and go. LL
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Post  Chicane on Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:32 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIgAD_kfWsQ&feature=related
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Post  bb1 on Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:13 pm

Interesting - thanks, Chicane!
So, this criminal mastermind somehow disposes of his wife's body so cunningly that not a trace can be found - yet leaves her cards, phone, etc, lying around the house?
Does not compute...
I would need to see the documentary again to be sure, but I seem to recall the wife had been making mad, drunken phone calls alledging all sorts of things which demonstrably had no basis in reality, so I would not take it for granted that the diary is entirely truthful.
Short of finding a body, we may never know what happened, but I personally would not rule out her having met her end accidentally whilst intoxicated; it does happen, especially in rural areas.
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Post  Guest on Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:56 pm

Have the prosecution ruled out beyond reasonable doubt conceivable explanations other than that her husband murdered her?

If not, they've not done their job and the conviction is not safe.

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Post  bb1 on Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:02 pm

I honestly do not know, HB.
I saw the documentary, and was surprised at the verdict, and I have read a little in the press about it.
I hadn't seen the blog before today, even.
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Post  Chicane on Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:25 pm

Oh dear...Google search for the CH1 documentary dropped me in Havern's Hell...
It was a dramatised edition of Murder in Suburbia, broadcasted on 6 March 2011....maybe it is on YouTube?? I can't find it. UK must have a Missing Broadcast website...?? I dunno.

Anyway Havern

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JqhSoVoOsyAJ:jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2189-disappearance-murder-of-kate-prout+Missing+Kate+Prout&cd=4&hl=nl&ct=clnk&gl=nl&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.nl

- Kate Prout disappeared
- No body found
- No hard evidence, just a tiny bit of circumstantial evidence, Kate's diaries: MrProut had been violent
- Divorce situation
- Deja vu: Eddie the snifferdog was brought in and signalled behind the sofa and the patiodoors
- Police had forensic team go through the house, but nothing was found to incriminate Mr Prout
- Suspect must have strangled her, as no blood was found
- Convicted of her murder on flimsy evidence
- His demenour was not right, demeour and attitude, Adrian remained consistent throughout.
- He left it 5 days to report her missing, he only did so after he was persuaded by a concerned relative.
- Discussion the day before Kate went missing, she put to him her increased demand for settlement.
- Mr. Prout lied about this conversatio, when it became obvious he told no more lies, he gave up
- Mr.Prout had an affair with the housekeeper, Diane Bellamy
- The fact that he was going to lose their farm was central to the whole thing.
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Post  bb1 on Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:44 pm

Ah yes, that's what I saw - it was, I recall, an hour long?

As it now appears he was NOT going to lose the farm, well, that makes the case against him even flimsier, doesn't it?

They don't seem to have watched the same show as I did, Chicane. When I watched it, I kept thinking, Yes, but where is the actual evidence?

It certainly didn't seem to me like a sound conviction.
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Post  Guest on Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:05 pm

I dunno. I mean the farm was valued at £1.3 million and she was demanding £800,000

I don't know where the blogger got his information from? It would be useful to have sources, particularly about this very large cash withdrawal.

On the 'comparisons' with Praia da Luz, there is none!

Be Mr Prout guilty or innocent, it would have been a hell of a sight easier for him to have concealed a body than it would for the McCanns to conceal Madeleine's body. That doesn't make him guilty, of course, but it is an important difference between the two cases. There would have been no need for him to invoke conspiratorial silence and acquiesance of heavan only knows how many other people.


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Post  Guest on Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:06 pm

(Second half of post above)

There's the further point that Prout was emotionless where the McCanns were (at times) are visibily and obviously distraught. Again, I don't read anything incriminating against Mr Prout in that. If it was a loveless relationship, he wouldn't have been concerned that she vanished without explanation and we are talking adults, not children, so there'd have been no particular compulsion or urgency for him to report her missing.

I feel uneasy about the conviction. I'm not convinced the prosecution has made its case.

But I certainly don't see any parallel with the McCanns.

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Post  Guest on Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:07 pm

Just twigged something (possibly) signifcant. I can't send long posts.

But I can short.

Will need to experiment more to see whether that's a hard and fast rule

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Post  Maggs on Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:33 pm

It amazes me how Gonc knew so much about these dogs reactions, as he was NEVER present at any one of the searches. How can he say what happened here.

Villa's
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Ocean Club
Sports Hall
Car Park

So how come his book makes out he was at these searches. More interstingly, where was he?
He never met the McCann's or spoke to them.
WTF did the idle fat defective actually do in this, but sit on his ass. This stinks as much as ever where Gonc's concerned
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Post  bb1 on Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:37 pm

Something awful has just dawned on me, about the Prout case, which also involved the wonderdogs.
Grime was still riding high after PDL when he got involved in that:


http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/01/eddie-and-keela-versus-team-mccann.html

Eddie and Keela versus Team McCann
15 JANUARY 2008 | POSTED BY JOANA MORAIS LEAVE A COMMENT
Eddie and Keela, the two sniffer British dogs used to find evidences of Madeleine's death, in Portugal were used by the police in the searches of Kate Prout.

WE ARE SURE KATE WAS MURDERED - DETECTIVES

Police now believe missing farmer Kate Prout was murdered.

Officers have refused to rule out the possibility the 55-year-old from Redmarley may have come to harm.

They say the possibility she has been murdered is stronger than ever.

Although investigations at her Redhill Farm home finished a fortnight ago it is understood specialist sniffer dogs used in the search for missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann in Portugal have been used in the investigation and found evidence of Mrs Prout's death.

Det Supt Neil Kelly said specialist dogs had been used but could not comment on what was found.


As usual, nothing was found, but Prout is behind bars because Eddie woofed.

More about the Prout case here:

http://caseblog.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/justice4adrian/

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Post  Sabot on Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:56 pm


Interesting News Report on Video about Cadaver Dogs.


http://www.kmbc.com/video/29585405/detail.html

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