'CLEANERS ARE SUSPECTS' (merged)

Very good point, Sabot - and this supposed 'middle-aged couple' left no forensic traces when they were doing all this comforting.

Logic never was the 8rs strong point, was it? They would be better employed zipping it and having a read around other sites where this garbage is being destroyed - even one of the hounders has pointed out that the supposed witnesses couldn't see into the street where they didn't see anything because their view was blocked by the wall.

Which rather demonstrates how shoddy the whole article is.

I genuinely do not know why the Express printed this - it was a waste of good trees. The most basic-fact checking would have shown it to be drivel.

One would have thought the McCann-haters would have learned not to believe any old guff in tabloids, but clearly not. As long as they can tell each other that it hurts the McCanns, they will believe anything, even if it's physically impossible.

And it further demonstrates that the McCann-haters don't actually know what's in the police files.

Hideho Ho Have just skimmed the article...IMO total spin. (from what I have read at 5.25am )

Only Kate claims Madeleine cried on Wednesday...Mrs Fenn heard the crying on Tuesday.

For some reason they 'need' to suggest someone entered the apartment. (enforces an abduction that didn't happen)

Some well meaning soul maybe gave a witness statement to that effect last February to Operation Grange. They saw a couple....

Team McCann have taken the story and the Express have 'run' with it.

I do not FOR ONE MINUTE believe Scotland Yard would be leaking information like this....

My guess is this is SPIN to cover what is happening in PdL.

This crap from the Express has distracted from a far more interesting, and believable, report in the Mail:

The suspects are thought to number 12 – not 20 as has been reported – and include a number of British cleaners who were working near the apartment complex where Madeleine, twin siblings Sean and Amelie and parents Gerry and Kate were staying.

Sources said ‘low-level’ workers – handymen, cleaners and gardeners – have become the focus of interest. Some are thought to have been employed by the Ocean Club complex on a casual basis and may have already been interviewed.

Police are said to be keen to trace six British cleaners who were working in Praia da Luz when Madeleine vanished and who didn’t appear in the Portuguese files.
They are said to have used a white van and went from apartment to apartment offering their services, chiefly concentrating on expats.

Wonder if the PJ/SY have managed to track down all those spare keys yet?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10066822/Police-hunt-six-British-cleaners-in-search-for-Madeleine-McCann.html

Police hunt six British cleaners in search for Madeleine McCann

Police are hunting for six British cleaners driving a white van who were working near the apartment complex where missing Madeleine McCann and her family were staying.

By Melanie Hall11:49AM BST 19 May 2013
The workers are among the new suspects identified by Scotland Yard as ‘people of interest’ during a review of the Portuguese inquiry into the child’s disappearance in May 2007.
There are now believed to be 12 suspects, which include a number of Portuguese manual workers and British cleaners who were working near the apartments where three-year-old Madeleine, twin siblings Sean and Amelie and parents Gerry and Kate were holidaying.
Sources said that “low-level” workers such as handymen, cleaners and gardeners, some of whom are thought to have been employed by the Ocean Club complex on a casual basis and who may have already been interviewed, have become the focus of interest.
The police are keen to trace six British cleaners who were working in Praia da Luz when Madeleine vanished, and who didn't appear in the Portuguese files.
The cleaners are believed to have used a white van, and went from apartment to apartment offering their services mainly to expats.

“There is quite a culture of people drifting from door to door offering services from everything from your garden to your roof or windows,” a source told the Mail on Sunday.
There are also a number of ‘more obvious’ suspects who already appear in the Portuguese files but who British police feel haven’t been ‘bottomed out’ properly and therefore warrant further investigation.
“There are a lot of people who could be explored further, if only to be eliminated,” said Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell, head of Scotland Yard’s Homicide and Serious Crime Command.
But officers face having to tackle Portuguese resistance to re-opening the inquiry, after officials in Lisbon said they can reopen the case only if there is new evidence – although it has been claimed that the new leads could, if properly explored, result in new evidence and possibly solve the Madeleine mystery.
Detectives examining the Portuguese files were alarmed that the original inquiry had not traced and interviewed all the staff and holidaymakers who were at the Ocean Club when the three-year-old went missing.
Last year the Met said that it had identified 195 fresh leads that should have been investigated either by conducting further witness interviews, eliminating suspects or carrying out forensic tests that were missing from the 2007 inquiry.
Officers found unexplained gaps in the investigation timeline, with a complete lack of forensic examination of mobile phone activity in the area on the night Madeleine disappeared.
Mr Campbell said it was “perfectly probable” that information which could identify the suspect responsible for Madeleine’s disappearance was already in the Portuguese files, and reiterated a claim that she could still be alive.

“You only have to look at the case in Cleveland, Ohio, and the European cases,” he said. “Of course there is a possibility she is alive. But the key is to investigate the case and, alive or dead, we should be able to try and discern what happened.’”
A spokesman for the McCanns said: “They have been encouraged from the moment the review started and are now greatly encouraged that police have drawn up a short list of people who they believe are of interest to the inquiry.”

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Any sign yet of the forkers and hounders bothering to actually read the police files and seeing the shaky alibis and whopping cellphone discrepancies - the ones that have nothing at all to do with the McCanns or their friends?

She really ought to make a Video of this. It's got the lot. People creeping around PdL and going into The McCann's appartment, at night, in the dark to "Comfort" Madeleine, and no one saw a thing. Or if they did they certainly didn't tell anyone at the time.

Actually, I am beginning to wonder if this was The Polish Couple doing a Dummy Run. The Polish Couple that The PJ never followed up on. Or was it on The 3rd of May when it could have been the real thing? The Article isn't very clear about that.

The Article isn't very clear about that.

That would be because the article is bullsh*t from start to finish. James Murray may as well hand in his NUJ card after this and take up blogging, he could call himself Watercold or something.

The whole thing would have done credit to the Dalmation-breeding WUM.

Anyone else noticed that the McCann-hater cult have - unbelievable though it may seem - got even MORE stupid and gullible since so many of them got involved with Icke and the Lizard people.

They always were bad, but now, they'll fall for any old conspiraloon tosh as long as it reinforces their own bizarre belief systems.

My friends, this was taken from Algarve Resident newspaper:

http://www.algarveresident.com/0-53091/algarve/new-suspects-in-madeleine-mccann-case

My friends, this was taken from The Express newspaper:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400796/Mystery-couple-seen-going-into-McCanns-flat-on-night-before-sobbing-Madeleine-disappeared

And to prove the point about them getting stupider...someone on Justice

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1596.30

posted a link to this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504950/British-witnesses-We-saw-blond-men-balcony-Madeleine-apartment.html#ixzz2TkhXcjDx

which caused emu to rant:

Benice we will have to agree to disagree, these women smack the same stench as gail cooper and the thompsons,and various others, alll metodo 3 garbage


Same goes for edgar and cowley and their pathetic vic beckham story, zzzz

So, everyone is lying except Gonc, the convicted perjurer? I really don't think so.

My friends, this was taken from The Mirror newspaper:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/kidnapper-spied-madeleine-mccann-police-1897649

Sounds to me like The Abductors sussing out the lie of the land, as has previously been suspected. And a perfect excuse for being there if they were caught.
Presuming that this tale is true. I just don't understand why this has not come out before.

I doubt if a word of it is true, Sabot. All that's missing is My hairdresser's neighbour's neice's fiance said...

It's the bones of an old story, with new inventions added to spice it up. Even the dates are all wrong - as five minutes with the police files would have told James Murray, if he'd bothered to check.

Not to mention the wall that prevents the supposed 'witnesses' from seeing into the lane where nothing was happening. I find it quite shocking that bolleaux like this is still appearing in the UK press.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1578759/Madeleine-McCann-Luis-Antonio-questioned.html

A less than reliable Source, but maybe he's one of those being reinterviewed?

ETA, he was indeed interviewed before:

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post6645.html#p6645

If anyone still needs proof of just how deluded the forkers are.....

Lillyofthevalley wrote:
Could this be the night that the children were crying and someone from the OC had to go and get the mccanns from the pub further away (can't remember what it's called) not the Tapas Bar, where they were told to get their sorry ars*s back to the apartment!
Now could that have been a couple who reported the children who were concerned about the crying because they sounded distressed, unlike the pissed up parents!


1. Are they seriously so far gone that they think that people walk into compete strangers' holiday apartments, into children's bedrooms, and then sit telling said children fairy stories, or whatever this imaginary 'couple' are supposed to have done?

And then disappear into the night again, with nary a word till six years later, only to turn up in some utter garbage in the Express?

2. Chaplin's is a forum myth.

about: "I just don't understand why this has not come out before", I tell you why: due to gonçalo amaral.

Jamie ‏@Jamey_1 1m
Is this 6 cleaner thing SY saying we know what happened to prompt the T7 to come forward! As in we know SIX of you cleaned the appt? #mccann

Yes, of course it is - because Scotland Yard are too shy to come right out and ask them.

Instead, they are sending coded messages via downmarket tabloids. As you do.

Seriously, what on earth is wrong with these people?

Jamie ‏@Jamey_1
Is this 6 cleaner thing SY saying we know what happened to prompt the T7 to come forward! As in we know SIX of you cleaned the appt? #mccann

Yes, of course it is - because Scotland Yard are too shy to come right out and ask them.

Instead, they are sending coded messages via downmarket tabloids. As you do.

Seriously, what on earth is wrong with these people?

IF, and it is a big if, this is even remotely true, could the couple in the appartment above have seen the abductors who then gave it as an excuse on being seen?
It probably has to have been the patio doors, and they could have been leaving because one of the children started crying? And then they went back the next day armed with a chloroform pad.?

A hounder asks-


Are these headlines sending out coded messages I wonder????

Bring them all back to Portugal was the other headline - maybe a coded message letting someone know what the police might be planning?????

No. Don't be silly. If anyone wants to 'send messages' in the 21st century, they pick up a phone or send an email.

They don't send 'coded messages' via stupid stories in downmarket tabloids. These people do know that Sherlock Holmes-

1. Is dead.

2. Was a fictional character, anyway.

If they want to solve puzzles, why don't they just reread the police files in the light of what has been said by real people at Scotland Yard?

Oh, and stop inventing conspiraloon rubbish, or thinking the answer is in Rothley. The armchair defectives will find the answers they seek where Madeleine was abducted. That's in PDL.

so did a couple go into the apartment and comfort Madeleine?

I doubt it very much, Rhodes - indeed, my own opinion is that it is complete bollocks.

If you can face tracing it, the breadcrumbs lead right back to this radio interview dated August 2007;

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id52.html


"We were woken up at half past eleven at night by one of the friends of the McCanns to say 'a little girl' had 'been abducted'; those... those were the words used", 14 August 2007


Search for Maddie

Quote-

SM: Sure. We went out for a meal about 7 o'clock, down in the town, we walked back about 9 o'clock, round past, errm... the... the church, round past the supermarket, back to the apartment, went out on the balcony about quarter past nine - everywhere was peaceful, everywhere was lovely - we then went to bed.

Murray seems to have taken that interview and embellished it - or sexed it up, if you prefer.

You can see for yourself that the Moyes' line of site is restricted by the buildings and walls below, so all that about them not seeing anything in the lane is total sh-te, as they couldn't see into it properly in the first place. Unless Murray thinks they can see through walls.

Also, Rachel Oldfield was in their apartment next to the McCanns all the time when this was supposedly going on, and didn't hear anything through the rather flimsy walls.

It is, IMO, one of the worst pieces of non-journalism we've seen for many a long day, and printing it was a waste of good trees.