CDM claim PJ want to reopen Madeleine case as abduction

Alison Scanlon Omg that woman on sky news slagging off the Portuguese police saying they have been refusing to reopen the case was making me so angry. Stupid bitch! !!! Bet she hasn't read the files somebody please email them and tell the the toffee nosed troll to get her facts straight she takes her hat off to the mccann s apparently. Somebody chuck the eggs on her face now to save her the wait! Ugh

They are taking this very personally, aren't they? And I thought they were all for Free Speach? Shouldn't the 'toffee-nosed troll' on Sky News be allowed to express her opinion?

Greenink, you can imagine the police having a good old laugh at the pub about who is the biggest plonker?

They must be howling when they get to detecting techniques pitchforker style.

They are taking this very personally, aren't they? And I thought they were all for Free Speach? Shouldn't the 'toffee-nosed troll' on Sky News be allowed to express her opinion?

Of course she shouldn't. Remember it's free speach but only for them.

If this is how badly they are taking it, imagine it moving forward?

       

Quote from: Montclair on October 23, 2013, 10:55:49 PM
Gonçalo Amaral has always wanted the case reopened. Why are you worried or concerned about what he thinks or what will happen?

Guess that's the Source of inJustice tweets about Gonzo being delighted. He's said no such thing, whoever tweeted just put feet, legs and a tail on Montclair's post to look as if they're in the know *taps nose*.

lily wrote:Greenink, you can imagine the police having a good old laugh at the pub about who is the biggest plonker?  

They must be howling when they get to detecting techniques pitchforker style.

Its only second place that's up for grabs.

First place went ages ago to Tony Bennett. And it wasn't only the cops who came to that conclusion, it was the legal establishment too who watched him fall flat on his face in front of Mr. Justice Tugendhat.

OMG too true Greenink. Bennett's name must come up a lot in legal social circles. He will be almost immortal.         

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-portuguese-police-set-2485863

By Martin Fricker, Tom Pettifor
Portuguese police set to re-open Madeleine McCann investigation – five years after they dropped the case

24 Oct 2013 00:00
They closed the file on the three-year-old who vanished in May 2007 during a family holiday in the resort of Praia da Luz


t is five long years since police in Portugal gave up the search for Madeleine McCann.

They closed the file on the three-year-old who vanished in May 2007 during a family holiday in the resort of Praia da Luz.

Now, in a dramatic development, they are seeking permission to reopen the investigation which they shelved in 2008.

And it is largely down to a number of new leads uncovered by cold case detectives from Britain.

A team of officers from the Policia Judiciaria, based in Porto, have already started working alongside the Scotland Yard team.

And they are understood to have issued an official request to relaunch the search after considering new material from the UK.

Sources say an official announcement is expected today. Under Portuguese law the probe can only be reopened after a ruling by senior prosecutors.

Pedro do Carmo, deputy head of Policia Judiciaria, last night refused to confirm or deny the move – which would be a huge boost for Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry.

It is believed that Portuguese police are now convinced the McCanns were not involved in their daughter’s disappearance and are ready to probe the abduction theory.

A spokesman for the McCanns said the change of heart may be partly due to massive publicity surrounding the case, including an appeal on BBC’s ­Crimewatch and the recent discovery of an abducted blonde girl, Maria, who was found living with a gypsy family in Greece.

Scotland Yard says it has received more than 2,400 calls and emails since a number of TV programmes on Madeleine’s disappearance were broadcast across Europe.

The McCanns’ spokesman added: “Kate and Gerry don’t want to get their hopes up too much. But if the Portuguese do resume their investigation it would be a significant development and an important step forward.”

Home Secretary Theresa May, along with senior police and prosecutors, has been lobbying the Portuguese authorities to reopen their probe.

Earlier this month, police spoke of a possible breakthrough after it emerged officers were analysing data from the phone records of people who were in Praia da Luz when Madeleine vanished.

The Scotland Yard team, who began their review of the case in May 2011, have also revealed that new evidence adds further weight to claims that Madeleine’s abduction may have been pre-planned.

They say they have identified 41 “persons of interest”, including 12 Britons who were in Portugal at the time. They have also released two e-fit images of a man seen near the scene on the night Maddie was snatched.

Goncalo Amaral, head of the regional Policia Judiciaria during the initial investigation, was removed from the case and his post in October 2007 after criticising British police in a Portuguese newspaper interview.

He went on to publish a book in July 2008, making claims that were so controversial the McCanns sued him for libel – a lawsuit which is still ongoing.

Amaral was convicted of perjury in 2009 for falsifying documents in a separate case involving the disappearance of an eight-year-old Portuguese girl.

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The Gonc cult won't like being reminded of that....

So much in that article which the haters will POSITIVELY FUME ABOUT.

Isn't that a shame, especially as we all actually know it is all perfectly true?

Its looking like Goncalo Amaral's debut on ITV recently was actually a debut and swansong all rolled into one. And what a sorry, cigarette-puffing, scruffy sight it was too.

They had better get used to not liking things. Anyway, they are hardly relevant or important in this case, are they?

lily wrote:They had better get used to not liking things.  Anyway, they are hardly relevant or important in this case, are they?

Wash your mouth out with Carbolic Soap. They are the real experts don't you know? They know more about this case than any two-bit detective or ropey journalist who is nothing but a shill for the media oligarchs who would write anything to turn a fast dollar.

If only the world would listen to them. All process of law could be abandoned and we would just proceed to a kangaroo court in the middle of Hyde Park with the guilty couple set on a platform to be told by everybody, "We know you dun it and them others is all innit with you!"

Job done. Lock 'em up.

And you say these haters aren't relevant! Tut, tut!

Hanging head in shame........

Sorry Greenink.  You iz right.  They are the real experts.  Always have been and always will.  

Don't know what got into me except, I iz singing "I'm forever blowing bubbles" and I don't know why..........

According to his cult, Gonzo's stuck some garbled nonsense on his FB....

Message from Dr Amaral 24th October #McCann
Revive ...
After 5 years in the dusty court file, the process where he investigated the mysterious disappearance of a child looks like it will finally see the light of day. at this point, is not relevant to know who agreed with archiving and always opposed the reopening of the investigation established in the entire contents of the process, what matters is that the investigation continue, is from the point at which it was interrupted, either from the convictions of those who analyzed the facts later.
But, you must remember that a criminal investigation may not concern the politically correct, nor have its objects bound by personal interests, institutional or otherwise, nor be subjected to intolerable pressures and coercive acts, what is at issue is ascertain the truth and the fate of the child, so that those responsible for the mysterious disappearance are brought to justice.
If the reopening of the investigation give rise to the realization of all the missing steps, if you have in mind all lines of investigation still open, and answer all questions, we will be able to say that the investigation was free and objective, reaching the true material, and can then do justice to children mysteriously missing.


Sounds like he's been on the sauce again, frankly. He'd be well advised to zip it and hope he doesn't end up in jail for incompetence/dereliction of duty.

Anyway, it's actually none of his business, hasn't been for years.

Astro's version of it - bear in mind, she's a Gonc groupy, so this may have been spun to make Gonc look less of a babbling idiot:

Sofia de Landerset
Gonçalo Amaral on Facebook:

"De-archiving...

After 5 years in the dusty archive of the court, the process in which the mysterious disappearance of a child was investigated seems to be seeing the light of day soon.

At the moment, it is not relevant to know who agreed with the archiving and always opposed the reopening of the investigation, based on the entire contents of the process; what matters is that the investigation continues, whether from the point where it was interrupted or from the convictions of those who analysed the facts afterwards.

Nonetheless, it is necessary to recall that a criminal investigation cannot be worried about what is politically correct, or to have its purpose limited by personal, institutional or any other kind of interest, or to be targeted by intolerable pressure and coercive actions; what is at stake is to find the truth and the child's fate, so those responsible for the mysterious disappearance are brought before Justice.

If the reopening of the investigation leads to the performance of all the missing diligences, if it takes all still open investigation lines into account, and answers all of the questions, then we can state that the investigation was free and objective, and the material truth is reached. Then it will be possible to do justice to the mysteriously missing child.

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No, that's no real improvement, he still sounds like a babbling idiot. Gonc really would be well-advised to STFU and stop digging himself into an ever-deeper hole.

Fascinating! The Team Gonc mouthpieces on inJustice, mainly Montclair/Carolina, have been caught telling total PORKIES about this business of Gonc supposedly being desperate to get the Smiths back to PDL before Evil Gordon Brown personally had Big Rock sacked:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2693.180

It simply didn't happen. Indeed, nothing much happened until 10th October 2007, by which time Gonzo had rightly been sacked.

By that time, Rebelo was in charge, and only then did the police get around to intervewing the staff of Kelly's bar, checking till receipts, etc.

Just as with his failure to check the night creche records, Gonzo didn't bother to do the most basic police work regarding the Smiths.

He's done an awful lot of mouthing off and blowing hot air, of course, but then, he's good at that.

My friends, here it is the translation from:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvzibhfcaFg

h: good afternoon, welcome to the news CM, I start with the alert CM, the Madeleine McCann case may be re-opened by PJ, it is an aler CM which we mention it from now, in this studio is my guest Eduardo Dâmaso, director of the Correio da Manhã newspaper

host (h): Eduardo, good afternoon.

Eduardo (E): good afternoon.

h: updates about the Madeleine McCann case?

E: well, essentially, what we know is that PJ pretend to re-open the case of Madeleine McCann, and also have requested it to the Public Ministry, who is the one who have the formal authority to re-open it, essentially, I think that this will result from the fact after a work of two years in which the PJ made, through a team constituted in Oporto, the directory of Oporto and concluded the need of going deeper about a clue which pinpoints the abduction thesis, this is in a fact a development to be happening, an extraordinary development

h: amazing,

h: Eduardo, but, could it be related with these news, can you find any relationabout the desire of PJ to re-open it, when a few days ago we heard about the special programme of BBC and the British police?

E: according the investigation conducted by Operation Grange, and according to what we think we know, the eventual re-opening of the process is not related with the British investigation, it results from a, it is neither related with British police nor with the facts connected with diligencies made by the couple with their organized structure about the issue of the search for the child, this update is mainly related with the work of analysis which was made by a team of 5 or 6 persons, conducted by a female inspector of Oporto in the last two years in which were tested a series of diligencies made at the time and analyzed all the material gathered and it was ver y abundant whether in a scenery whether in other scenery, whether in the scenery of having an accident in the apartment and the child died due to it, or whether in the scenery of abduction, so, in the distance, with the biggest distance about these facts, the investigation tem, specially not being connected with the first investigation, looked surely with a different look to the material of the time and concluded that is necessary to go deep about a clue related with abduction, the issue of abduction was mentioned initially in the beginning of the investigation, specially due to a statement of one of persons who were in the group of the British tourists, also friends of the couple who told that she saw a man who she identified through a e-fit with a child, that was initially dismissed, and the credibility of it was much attacked, because there was the reverse about the physical aspects, about the time and the place, I think that is not related this update with that fact, there is also another scenery, which was now mentioned by British police which is also a scenery investigated at the time which is the thesis also about another man in the same situation whit different hours heading for the sea, I remember that at the time there was a witness from a Irish family that crossed with that man which later identified that person with the father of the child, now with the British investigation, that thesis comes again but with a e-fit constructed in the base of someone with physical similarities to Gerry McCann but not being Gerry McCann obviously, so, this is the British clue , I presume that this update in the component of the PT investigation is not related with neither with the first or the second situation.

h: you mentioned that this work of investigation that is being pursued by PJ for two years, this type of case in many times are intervals of time which can help about the solving of the case, I ask this because the public opinion in PT have the idea according the work conducted here that is was a shelved case.

E: yes, according mainly with the evolution of the first investigation, parents has arguidos, homicide by negligence, which means that PJ understood that the evidences that pointed to a accident inside the apartment and the child died, and the process of occultation of a corpse, that hypothesis was the one who conducted the event of parents has arguidos, it was not a hypothesis requested by the Public Ministry at the time, which later archived the process, then also had a first sign about that investigation when amaral left the process, it was nominated a new team with Paulo Rebelo which arrived at Praia da Luz, which analyzed the material, gathered finger prints, analyzed documents, CCTV footage, tapes of video-surveillance etc, and concluded, increased the thesis of closing the case, abandoning the thesis of homicide by negligence. The re-opening of the case now it would not limit, it might, does not have the logic of limitation of the process, it may repeat the hypothesis of investigating the closed thesis, none of it is out, but the truth is that this re-opening is determined by evidences / indications that an abduction happened, so, it is not predictable that the thesis of homicide comes again repeated, now in that perspective you mentioned, for the PT public opinion that was a closed case in that perspective, but the thesis of abduction was always a thesis fed, never dismissed by the parents, which made an enormous campaign, enormous media pressure, understandable in the good sense, to look for a kidnapper, dozens, hundreds of sightings of the child in the world, that in some way in my comic point of view made comic the search that should have been objective, rational, based on ways that should not depended due to the private fund created by the family, but due to the public ways of one of the countries or even due to both countries involved, but in the concrete case of being investigated, archived here, it would be the UK due to the nationality of the couple, truly I feel that it is what is happening, in England there was a wake up of the case due to the pressure of the family also political pressure, political option of UK Prime-Minister, which determined a re-opening of the case in England in the perspective of the abduction which forced shall we say a police force namely the British police to organize in the purpose of pursuing the clue of abduction, that in a way is what we are watching, whether UK dimension, which agrees deeply with the family about the abduction, in PT with this re-opening based also in an idea of abduction, I remember that in PT, one of the questions at the time in 2007, 2008, about the possibility of abduction, many of that work was made at that time it is related with the fact of Algarve being considered by police a zone of risk, an attractive area for some international p.a.e.dophile net, at the time was investigated the presence of p.a.e.d.o.philes, 20 with criminal record for sexual crimes, that work was made by the PT investigation, now probably due to the way the process rapidly moved to the homicide, that work was not done so deeply has it should, which is the work during two years and now it is the time to go deeply with another way about the new updates.

My friends, this was taken from Correio da Manhã newspaper:

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foreign paedophiles being targeted by PJ.

PJ wants to re-open the case.

abduction clue recognized by the Oporto team that analyzes more than a year the investigation.

Many, many thanks for your transcript/translation, Pedro, that's a lot of work!

Astro of the Morais blog did what she claimed was a 'translation', but I ignored it because something didn't seem kosher about it.

I see now that she OMITTED sections of the broadcast that didn't suit the Team Gonc agenda. Not the first time it's happened, but shocking nevertheless.

My friends, this was taken from The Portugal News newspaper:

http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/portuguese-police-prepare-to-re-open-madeleine-case-reports/29711

IMO, this is the key section:

I remember that in PT, one of the questions at the time in 2007, 2008, about the possibility of abduction, many of that work was made at that time it is related with the fact of Algarve being considered by police a zone of risk, an attractive area for some international p.a.e.dophile net, at the time was investigated the presence of p.a.e.d.o.philes, 20 with criminal record for sexual crimes, that work was made by the PT investigation, now probably due to the way the process rapidly moved to the homicide, that work was not done so deeply has it should, which is the work during two years and now it is the time to go deeply with another way about the new updates.


You would think that the first thing ANY police officer would do when a child goes missing is check on known paedophiles in the area, but not Amoral.

His priority was making up ridiculous conspiracy theories and having the UK police followed. No wonder the useless fool is in such a flap now!

Thank God the PJ officers now working on the case seem to be intelligent and competent!

My friends, this was taken from Sky News:

http://news.sky.com/story/1158880/madeleine-mccann-portugal-cops-may-open-case

you welcome bb1, I agree with you.

David Steel ‏@DaSteelMan
@xxxxxFernxxxxx Amaral has given a statement, I get impression that he's pleased #McCann

Really? Everyone else got the impression he was a. in a total funk b. drunk.

My friends, this was taken from Sky News:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rExNjTBPsp4

My friends, this was taken from ITV news:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNUmbZC_ELk

Thank you Pedro.

This is a reminder of that lady Jacinta who was Australian. She had reported that there was a trafficking/drug ring through southern Portugal and was axed to death.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/jacinta-rees-murdered-covered-up-by-portugal-police/story-e6frea8c-1225942761917

Crime theory

One theory about Jacinta's death was that she found out something that cost her life.

The area where she lived is a trafficking route from North Africa and the Middle East for the illegal trade in drugs - mostly hashish - and also in stolen children.

The village of Sao Bras de Alportel is 30km from the resort of Praia de Luz where British child Maddy McCann disappeared.

Her family said child smuggling was an issue Jacinta was concerned about and might have spoken up about.

"Jacinta may have stumbled across something," brother Cameron said.

"She left a note for someone saying she was leaving and she did not know how things would work out and asked that they forgive her, but the police construed it as a suicide note," he said.