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I think that whatever we are told about anything will not be the full story.
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Pity you can't do an emergency recall and re-instate Carter as president, Lily. He's respected world-wide now, loves his country and is genuinely patriotic, and at least didn't get hostages killed.....
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http://rt.com/op-edge/181928-isis-deaths-syrians-iraqis-christians/
‘No helping hand from the West when ISIS killed only Syrians, Iraqis and Christians’
A most sensible interview with a German journalist, quote:
We should remember when the West was calling for the support of the so-called "moderate" rebels. But these are the same people, these are the so-called "moderate" rebels from yesterday - they have become extremists and they already were extremists when the West called them "moderate" rebels. We should not forget that the "moderate" militia already had the Osama Bin-Laden brigade. We should not forget that the rebel commander who ate the organs of a fallen Syrian soldier in front of a video camera was a so-called "moderate".
‘No helping hand from the West when ISIS killed only Syrians, Iraqis and Christians’
A most sensible interview with a German journalist, quote:
We should remember when the West was calling for the support of the so-called "moderate" rebels. But these are the same people, these are the so-called "moderate" rebels from yesterday - they have become extremists and they already were extremists when the West called them "moderate" rebels. We should not forget that the "moderate" militia already had the Osama Bin-Laden brigade. We should not forget that the rebel commander who ate the organs of a fallen Syrian soldier in front of a video camera was a so-called "moderate".
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You can always depend on the UK tabloids to keep calm in a crisis.
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Yes, because rushing round shouting The sky is falling! always helps...
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Can you imagine if they did that during WWI & II?
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I see you've got one of your 'leaders' at it now, Lily:
From:
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/21/world/meast/iraq-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
"Can they be defeated without addressing that part of the organization that resides in Syria? The answer is no," Dempsey said during the briefing at the Pentagon.
Repeatedly pushed by reporters about whether that meant operations against ISIS in Syria, Hagel said, "We're looking at all options."
While it's unclear what those options may be, Hagel said the United States is "very clear-eyed" about ISIS.
Will ISIS execution change Iraq strategy? Airstrikes hit Iraq, Obama condemns journalist's murder
Photos: Iraq under siege Photos: Iraq under siege
"They are beyond just a terrorist group. They marry ideology, a sophistication of strategic and tactical military prowess," Hagel said.
"...This is beyond anything we have seen, and we must prepare for everything. And the only way you do that is that you take a cold, steely hard look at it and get ready."
Sounds to me like the US is looking for an excuse to invade Syria.
Want to defeat ISIS? It's easy.
Close the 'secret' CIA training camps in Jordan.
Stop supplying the 'nice rebels'.
Condemn KSA and Qatar for bankrolling terrorists.
Break off diplomatic relations with KSA and Qatar until they stop the bankrolling.
Stop meddling in Syria and trying to overthrow their elected president, however horrible he is, because the alternative is even worse.
THEN EFF OFF OUT OF EVERY SINGLE NATION THAT IS CURRENTLY IN FLAMES BECAUSE OF US POLICY AND NEVER, EVER MEDDLE AGAIN.
From:
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/21/world/meast/iraq-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
"Can they be defeated without addressing that part of the organization that resides in Syria? The answer is no," Dempsey said during the briefing at the Pentagon.
Repeatedly pushed by reporters about whether that meant operations against ISIS in Syria, Hagel said, "We're looking at all options."
While it's unclear what those options may be, Hagel said the United States is "very clear-eyed" about ISIS.
Will ISIS execution change Iraq strategy? Airstrikes hit Iraq, Obama condemns journalist's murder
Photos: Iraq under siege Photos: Iraq under siege
"They are beyond just a terrorist group. They marry ideology, a sophistication of strategic and tactical military prowess," Hagel said.
"...This is beyond anything we have seen, and we must prepare for everything. And the only way you do that is that you take a cold, steely hard look at it and get ready."
Sounds to me like the US is looking for an excuse to invade Syria.
Want to defeat ISIS? It's easy.
Close the 'secret' CIA training camps in Jordan.
Stop supplying the 'nice rebels'.
Condemn KSA and Qatar for bankrolling terrorists.
Break off diplomatic relations with KSA and Qatar until they stop the bankrolling.
Stop meddling in Syria and trying to overthrow their elected president, however horrible he is, because the alternative is even worse.
THEN EFF OFF OUT OF EVERY SINGLE NATION THAT IS CURRENTLY IN FLAMES BECAUSE OF US POLICY AND NEVER, EVER MEDDLE AGAIN.
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From:
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/syria/140821/text-last-email-islamic-state-sent-foley-family
The most recent email about hostages from ISIS:
HOW LONG WILL THE SHEEP FOLLOW THE BLIND SHEPPARD?
A message to the American government and their sheep like citizens:
We have left you alone since your disgraceful defeat in Iraq. We did not interfere in your country or attack your citizens while they were safe in their homes despite our capability to do so!
As for the scum of your society who are held prisoner by us, THEY DARED TO ENTER THE LION’S DEN AND WHERE EATEN!
You were given many chances to negotiate the release of your people via cash transactions as other governments have accepted,
We have also offered prisoner exchanges to free the Muslims currently in your detention like our sister Dr Afia Sidiqqi, however you proved very quickly to us that this is NOT what you are interested in.
You have no motivation to deal with the Muslims except with the language of force, a language you were given in “Arabic translation” when you attempted to occupy the land of Iraq!
Now you return to bomb the Muslims of Iraq once again, this time resorting to Arial attacks and “proxy armies”, all the while cowardly shying away from a face-to-face confrontation!
Today our swords are unsheathed towards you, GOVERNMENT AND CITIZENS ALIKE! AND WE WILL NOT STOP UNTILL WE QUENCH OUR THIRST FOR YOUR BLOOD.
You do not spare our weak, elderly, women or children so we will NOT spare yours!
You and your citizens will pay the price of your bombings!
The first of which being the blood of the American citizen, James Foley!
He will be executed as a DIRECT result of your transgressions towards us!
You were given many chances to negotiate the release of your people via cash transactions as other governments have accepted,
We have also offered prisoner exchanges to free the Muslims currently in your detention like our sister Dr Afia Sidiqqi, however you proved very quickly to us that this is NOT what you are interested in.
I've reached the worrying point where I would believe ISIS over the White House.
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/syria/140821/text-last-email-islamic-state-sent-foley-family
The most recent email about hostages from ISIS:
HOW LONG WILL THE SHEEP FOLLOW THE BLIND SHEPPARD?
A message to the American government and their sheep like citizens:
We have left you alone since your disgraceful defeat in Iraq. We did not interfere in your country or attack your citizens while they were safe in their homes despite our capability to do so!
As for the scum of your society who are held prisoner by us, THEY DARED TO ENTER THE LION’S DEN AND WHERE EATEN!
You were given many chances to negotiate the release of your people via cash transactions as other governments have accepted,
We have also offered prisoner exchanges to free the Muslims currently in your detention like our sister Dr Afia Sidiqqi, however you proved very quickly to us that this is NOT what you are interested in.
You have no motivation to deal with the Muslims except with the language of force, a language you were given in “Arabic translation” when you attempted to occupy the land of Iraq!
Now you return to bomb the Muslims of Iraq once again, this time resorting to Arial attacks and “proxy armies”, all the while cowardly shying away from a face-to-face confrontation!
Today our swords are unsheathed towards you, GOVERNMENT AND CITIZENS ALIKE! AND WE WILL NOT STOP UNTILL WE QUENCH OUR THIRST FOR YOUR BLOOD.
You do not spare our weak, elderly, women or children so we will NOT spare yours!
You and your citizens will pay the price of your bombings!
The first of which being the blood of the American citizen, James Foley!
He will be executed as a DIRECT result of your transgressions towards us!
You were given many chances to negotiate the release of your people via cash transactions as other governments have accepted,
We have also offered prisoner exchanges to free the Muslims currently in your detention like our sister Dr Afia Sidiqqi, however you proved very quickly to us that this is NOT what you are interested in.
I've reached the worrying point where I would believe ISIS over the White House.
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http://landdestroyer.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/growing-mayhem-us-operating-on-both.html
The Pentagon appears to be looking for an excuse to attack Syria.
The Pentagon appears to be looking for an excuse to attack Syria.
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Same link:
It should be remembered that ISIS itself is a creation of the United States, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Qatar, and has been harbored and provided material assistance by NATO-member Turkey for years. Portrayed by various names by the Western media - ISIS, al-Nusra, the "Free Syrian Army" - in reality it is a conglomerate of Western-backed mercenary forces raised as early as 2007 to overthrow the government in Damascus and confront Iranian influence across the entire region, including in Lebanon and in Iraq.
McCain never met a terrorist or neo-nazi he didn't like.
It should be remembered that ISIS itself is a creation of the United States, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Qatar, and has been harbored and provided material assistance by NATO-member Turkey for years. Portrayed by various names by the Western media - ISIS, al-Nusra, the "Free Syrian Army" - in reality it is a conglomerate of Western-backed mercenary forces raised as early as 2007 to overthrow the government in Damascus and confront Iranian influence across the entire region, including in Lebanon and in Iraq.
McCain never met a terrorist or neo-nazi he didn't like.
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http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/08/22/isis-thirst-oil-could-lead-global-catastrophe-if-unchecked-experts-say
ISIS' Thirst For Oil Could Lead To 'Global Catastrophe' If Unchecked, Experts Say
Oh, the irony....physician, heal thyself.
ISIS' Thirst For Oil Could Lead To 'Global Catastrophe' If Unchecked, Experts Say
Oh, the irony....physician, heal thyself.
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http://news.sky.com/story/1323435/blasts-in-iraq-as-un-warns-of-town-massacre
Blasts In Iraq As UN Warns Of Town 'Massacre'
Bombings in a number of cities leave dozens dead as concerns are raised for 17,000 residents cut off from aid by Islamic fighters.
Iraq has been hit by a wave of deadly explosions on the day the UN warned of a "possible massacre" in one town besieged by militants.
At least 30 people were killed in explosions in Baghdad and the northern city of Kirkuk, where three blasts went off in a crowded commercial area.
In the capital, a suicide bomber drove a car full of explosives into the gate of the intelligence headquarters in the Karrada district - killing civilians and security personnel.
Meanwhile, the UN's Special Envoy to the country said immediate action was needed to protect 17,000 people in the town of Amerli, which has been overwhelmed by Islamic State (IS) fighters.
Nickolay Mladenov said reports "confirm that people are surviving in desperate conditions" and there is "unspeakable suffering".
Shia Turkmen residents of the town, in the Salaheddin province north of Baghdad, have been cut off from food and water supplies by IS for months.
Iraq's prime minister designate Haidar al Abadi has promised aid for them.
I cannot even attempt to work out what this means, it's complete chaos and anarchy.
Blasts In Iraq As UN Warns Of Town 'Massacre'
Bombings in a number of cities leave dozens dead as concerns are raised for 17,000 residents cut off from aid by Islamic fighters.
Iraq has been hit by a wave of deadly explosions on the day the UN warned of a "possible massacre" in one town besieged by militants.
At least 30 people were killed in explosions in Baghdad and the northern city of Kirkuk, where three blasts went off in a crowded commercial area.
In the capital, a suicide bomber drove a car full of explosives into the gate of the intelligence headquarters in the Karrada district - killing civilians and security personnel.
Meanwhile, the UN's Special Envoy to the country said immediate action was needed to protect 17,000 people in the town of Amerli, which has been overwhelmed by Islamic State (IS) fighters.
Nickolay Mladenov said reports "confirm that people are surviving in desperate conditions" and there is "unspeakable suffering".
Shia Turkmen residents of the town, in the Salaheddin province north of Baghdad, have been cut off from food and water supplies by IS for months.
Iraq's prime minister designate Haidar al Abadi has promised aid for them.
I cannot even attempt to work out what this means, it's complete chaos and anarchy.
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Oh dear. Have run out of words.
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I can't follow it, Lily, I can't follow who is fighting with who, or why, who is allied with who today, but will be enemies tomorrow, nothing. I don't think there's any sense to be made of it, it's complete chaos.
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It is, Bonny. Is this chaos planned?
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I think it might have started out as planned chaos to benefit someone, but the monsters have turned on their creators and the chaos is now totally uncontrollable and unstoppable? Unless they put one of the surviving Saddam tribe in charge with permission to destroy anything that moves, especially if it's waving a black flag?
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It's simply mind boggling.
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Even the conspiraloons seem lost. They just keep shouting, It's the zionists! Bankers! NWO! Jesuits!
Then realising there is actually nothing that comes near to making anything resembling sense of chaos on such a vast scale.....
Then realising there is actually nothing that comes near to making anything resembling sense of chaos on such a vast scale.....
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Sometimes you just have to wait for the next shoe to drop?
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Lord knows what will happen next, Lily - mind you, if there's a massive volcanic eruption, then all bets are off, as much of the western world will be unflyable. Again.
Or we might get a comet. Or dragons. Nothing would surprise me, it's all too wierd and chaotic.
Or we might get a comet. Or dragons. Nothing would surprise me, it's all too wierd and chaotic.
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I know what you mean.
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What are the odds on the US 'accidentally' bombing Damascus? And then Syria most deliberately shooting down US planes? It is actually possible for this to get worse....so I am sure Obama will manage to make it so.
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As full on war ensues possibly?
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Oh FFS!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/bill-gardner/11054488/Foley-murder-video-may-have-been-staged.html
Foley murder video 'may have been staged'
Analysts believe the British jihadi in the video may not have been James Foley's killer, although it is accepted that the journalist was murdered
The video of James Foley’s execution may have been staged, with the actual murder taking place off-camera, it has emerged.
Forensic analysis of the footage of the journalist’s death has suggested that the British jihadist in the film may have been the frontman rather than the killer.
The clip, which apparently depicts Mr Foley’s brutal beheading, has been widely seen as a propaganda coup for Islamic State miltant group.
But a study of the four-minute 40-second clip, carried out by an international forensic science company which has worked for police forces across Britain, suggested camera trickery and slick post-production techniques appear to have been used.
A forensic analyst told The Times that no blood can be seen, even though the knife is drawn across the neck area at least six times.
After enhancements, the knife can be seen to be drawn across the upper neck at least six times, with no blood evidence to the point the picture fades to black,” the analysis said.
Sounds allegedly made by Foley do not appear consistent with what may be expected.
During Foley’s speech, there appears to be a blip which could indicate the journalist had to repeat a line.
One expert commissioned to examine the footage was reported as saying: “I think it has been staged. My feeling is that the execution may have happened after the camera was stopped.”
However the company, which requested anonymity, did not reach a definitive answer.
It concluded: “No one is disputing that at some point an execution occurred.”
Same story:
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/foley-murder-video-may-have-been-staged-30534070.html
Now, I'd seen all this on conspiraloon sites and dismissed it - they think everything is a 'false flag' with 'crisis actors'. And I'm not in the habit of watching material such as this.
But if the video is largely a fake, then even more cans of worms are opened. Like, who faked it? Was it all done in front of a green screen in Langley? Is Foley even dead? This is ridiculous.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/bill-gardner/11054488/Foley-murder-video-may-have-been-staged.html
Foley murder video 'may have been staged'
Analysts believe the British jihadi in the video may not have been James Foley's killer, although it is accepted that the journalist was murdered
The video of James Foley’s execution may have been staged, with the actual murder taking place off-camera, it has emerged.
Forensic analysis of the footage of the journalist’s death has suggested that the British jihadist in the film may have been the frontman rather than the killer.
The clip, which apparently depicts Mr Foley’s brutal beheading, has been widely seen as a propaganda coup for Islamic State miltant group.
But a study of the four-minute 40-second clip, carried out by an international forensic science company which has worked for police forces across Britain, suggested camera trickery and slick post-production techniques appear to have been used.
A forensic analyst told The Times that no blood can be seen, even though the knife is drawn across the neck area at least six times.
After enhancements, the knife can be seen to be drawn across the upper neck at least six times, with no blood evidence to the point the picture fades to black,” the analysis said.
Sounds allegedly made by Foley do not appear consistent with what may be expected.
During Foley’s speech, there appears to be a blip which could indicate the journalist had to repeat a line.
One expert commissioned to examine the footage was reported as saying: “I think it has been staged. My feeling is that the execution may have happened after the camera was stopped.”
However the company, which requested anonymity, did not reach a definitive answer.
It concluded: “No one is disputing that at some point an execution occurred.”
Same story:
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/foley-murder-video-may-have-been-staged-30534070.html
Now, I'd seen all this on conspiraloon sites and dismissed it - they think everything is a 'false flag' with 'crisis actors'. And I'm not in the habit of watching material such as this.
But if the video is largely a fake, then even more cans of worms are opened. Like, who faked it? Was it all done in front of a green screen in Langley? Is Foley even dead? This is ridiculous.
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