Mirror - new DNA hope

That would be wonderful if something comes of that.

I agree with lily.

Science improves all the time, and we do know there was unidentified DNA left in 5A.

Madeleine and her family deserve a break.  Wouldn't it be wonderful if this is it?

From the police files:

286A/2007-CRL 16 & 16B Two blue curtains and one white curtain
286B/2007-CRL 1 One white section of a curtain

These curtains were analysed for traces of blood, semen and saliva, none of which were detected. The hem of one of the blue curtains (16) was swabbed to collect any cellular material that might exist. An incomplete, inconclusive DNA result consisting only of two unconfirmed DNA components was obtained. In my opinion the result is not adequate for comparison purposes. The sample was submitted for LCN analysis.

An incomplete, low-level DNA result, comprising only some DNA components, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material recovered from the hem of one the curtains. In my opinion, this result contained information too meagre to permit a meaningful interpretation.

Maybe the science has improved enough to identify it now?

bb1, lily, I agree with you.

Quote from: Montclair on Today at 09:58:48 PM
I don't know where you obtained your information but as, AFAIK, voluntary swabs are not accepted in Portugal. DNA testing can only be done through a court order.

That has to be one of the stupidest remarks I've ever seen. So, in Portugal, if people offer their DNA for whatever reason - maybe to be ruled out of an investigation? whatever - the PJ will NOT accept the sample?

They have to go to a judge and get a court order to force people to do something they had already volunteered to do?

Were court orders needed for all of the DNA samples listed in the police files? I hardly think so. It's glaringly obvious that all concerned volunteered their DNA - and why wouldn't they?

It's something that is totally routine in the UK.

Isn't she the sister of a girlfriend of Amoral?  Or is that someone else.

Ah yes, there is indeed some connection, I believe. But I've forgotten what it is....

these new DNA samples are going to be sent to UK laboratories for further tests about those who these samples to belongs to see if more is discovered about the abductor.

Just a few of the many reasons why the CartofMuck piece is pish:

http://www.stopthemyths.info/viewtopic.php?f=115&t=7190&sid=f33fd124098ea189042b355cd8e45365


CdaM's reporter extraordinaire doesn't seem to have realised that 25 REFERENCE samples sent to the PT lab were voluntary mouth swabs (and may include Madeleine's heel-test if they'd been given a copy of the profile by the time of that report, as I haven't counted them all yet).

The only blood identified as such was on a wall somewhere in PdL, in Burgau and possibly somewhere else (to double-check), but none in 5A, nor even in the Scenic. The only reason to assume that there may have been blood in either was because Keela reacted.

As for the Express regurgitating it without a second's though - didn't they learn the folly of trusting Portuguese Sauces in 2007?

Forker:

pretty amazing really how all this is in the public domain when SY say they wont speak about the investigation.

Nothing 'amazing' about it at all, it's only CdM making up sh*te from police sources (aka Gonzo) again, just like they did seven years ago.

Have they all forgotten the financial stake CdM has in smearing and telling lies about the McCanns, and the investigation?

I agree with comments above written.

All of this is coming out of Portugal, and very little of it is official, so it is all, IMO, best taken with a bucket of salt.

It appears to be about the vile old pervert that was arrested in Malta.

Amazing the garbage the Truthseekers still regurgitate:

Didn't Kate say that she washed the curtains because the twins had dirtied them, or is that another fórum myth?

Forum myth.

As are all stories involving bleach, fridges, Chaplins, hairdressers, etc.

You know, if any of them ever bothered to read the ALL of the police files, and UNDERSTAND them, especially the forensics, they would instantly grasp why the grown-ups in the police, etc, know - not 'think', KNOW that the McCanns are guilty of nothing more than making a bad decision with disastrous consequences.

But there's no danger of them ever getting brave enough to do that, they'd rather believe lies churned out by Team Gonzo as part of his ongoing vendetta. Oh, and Vera's hairdresser, naturally.

The love GOSSIP.  Plain and simple.

Morais has cranked the Gonzo propaganda machine into life once more:

by Marisa Rodrigues

New witnesses of the English investigation to Madeleine McCann's disappearance are going to be questioned at the request of Scotland Yard (SY). The fifth letter rogatory is already in the hands of the Judiciary Police (PJ), who will now have to schedule the questionings.

The new Public Ministry prosecutor, to whom the Maddie process was recently attributed, authorized the questionings and forward the letter to the South PJ Directory, in Faro, so they can be carried out. JN was able to establish that there are about ten witnesses and that all of them are going to be questioned for the first time within the scope of the English investigation. Some of them are, however, already known to the Portuguese investigation and they had nothing relevant to say regarding the English child who disappeared seven years ago in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve.

Even though the English police has expressed their interest in questioning again the four men constituted as arguidos [formal suspects], that were questioned back in July, the English ended up leaving them out of this letter rogatory, which arrived to the Public Ministry in August. These new investigative steps should take place in the very same manner as it happened three months ago, with a notice for the witnesses to appear at the PJ headquarters. When the date is set, Scotland Yard may then request to the National PJ Directory to be present, without being able to intervene, just as before.

Last time they were in Portugal, on the 14th October, the English police expressed their desire to make a new letter rogatory (the sixth) requesting for the re-analyses of the samples that had been collected in the apartment from where Madeleine disappeared, namely hair samples and the fabric belonging to a curtain.

In a meeting at the National Institute of Forensic Medicine (INML), in Coimbra, which gathered detectives and forensic experts, Andy Redwood's team also spoke about the possibility that some of the samples could be taken to England and analysed in a private lab. Until the end of the afternoon, yesterday, no request had been made in that sense to the Public Ministry of Portimão, whose role is to assess and decide on the letters rogatory.

in Jornal de Notícias, paper edition, November 4, 2014



Spotted the propaganda yet?

Some of them are, however, already known to the Portuguese investigation and they had nothing relevant to say regarding the English child who disappeared seven years ago in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve.

And how, pray tell, would some Portuguese rag know that? Sources in the PJ aka the Amoral gang making sh*t up yet again, are they?

Good rules of thumb when Truthseeking:

If it's been translated by Morais, if it doesn't have a name attached to it in direct speech, if it comes from Portugal generally - take it with a whole dumper truck of salt.

Yep.  That stuck out like the flag it is.

Mari Welzel ‏@umweltbuerger
Hoping the ten witnesses in Portugal being questioned by NSY @metpoliceuk is none other than Kate&Gerry #McCann and their Tapas pact friends


And why, pray tell, does weaselburger imagine the Yard would have to a. get permission from Portugal and b. travel to Portugal, to do that?

The Yard has NO interest in the McCanns and their friends, either as persons of interest or suspects. How many times do these thickos need told before it sinks in?

PS - neither does the PJ. Didn't they get the note from Morais? See the posts by Claudia and co?

Dirtymac's detecting skills get worse by the day:


Re: DAILY MAIL ONLINE - OPERATION GRANGE TO RETURN TO PORTUGAL
Post  PeterMac Today at 9:18 pm

A bungled Break-in
The sort of bungle which does not Break shutters, does not Break the lock on the window, does not Break the closure of the curtains, which does not Break the bond between the bed and the curtains, which does not Break the bond between the wicker chair and the curtains.
The sort that does not Break the lock on the front door, when the key is on the work top. ***malicious falsehoods redacted*

What 'bond' twixt bed, chair and curtains? Have none of them LOOKED at the police photos in the police files?



There's a clear gap of about a foot between the bed and the curtains.



There's a smaller, but none the less obvious, gap between the chair and the curtains.

And let us not forget who demonstrated how EASY it is to open those shutters from the outside:



People that conduct hate campaigns should at least try to have some grasp of reality. And remember what they themselves have done in the course of ghoul tours with failed 'profilers'.