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Aliens dun it.
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As no-one was killed or injured, chuckles at this bit of pomposity are permitted:
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There has been a vehicle anomaly. We will update as soon as we are able.
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There has been a vehicle anomaly. We will update as soon as we are able.
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Translation: Some stoopid f*cker forgot the red wires to the red wires, the yellow to the yellow, the green to the green - not the red ones to the yellow ones - and which of youse morons forgot to attach the black wires? LLThere has been a vehicle anomaly. We will update as soon as we are able.
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'This is an accident site, it is a rocket. People should not be collecting souvenirs.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2810128/Ready-liftoff-Nighttime-rocket-launch-International-Space-Station-visible-East-Coast.html#ixzz3HWZoHPfD
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If you launch exploding rockets in fairly heavily populated areas, don't be surprised if people keep 'souvenirs'. When there is no injury or loss of life, there is something rather entertaining about grandiose projects literally crashing and burning.
Haven't we all sniggered at those old black and white films of Werner Von Brauns' V2s crashing and blowing up? This is the modern version.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2810128/Ready-liftoff-Nighttime-rocket-launch-International-Space-Station-visible-East-Coast.html#ixzz3HWZoHPfD
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If you launch exploding rockets in fairly heavily populated areas, don't be surprised if people keep 'souvenirs'. When there is no injury or loss of life, there is something rather entertaining about grandiose projects literally crashing and burning.
Haven't we all sniggered at those old black and white films of Werner Von Brauns' V2s crashing and blowing up? This is the modern version.
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I wonder how much of that was outsourced to China?
You get what you pay for and you pay for what you get.
You get what you pay for and you pay for what you get.
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It's a very sobering feeling to be up in space and realize that one's safety factor was determined by the lowest bidder on a government contract.
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Nothing funny about this one:
http://news.sky.com/story/1364455/one-dead-as-virgin-galactic-spaceship-crashes
One Dead As Virgin Galactic Spaceship Crashes
The tragedy over the Mojave Desert comes as Virgin Galactic was preparing to begin tourist flights to the edge of space next year.
By Sky News US Team
One person is dead and another injured after a Virgin Galactic suborbital rocket plane crashed on a powered test flight over California.
The tragedy occurred after SpaceShipTwo fired its rocket motor following a high-altitude drop from Virgin Galactic's WhiteKnightTwo mothership.
California Highway Patrol reported one fatality and one "major injury" after Friday's incident.
Wreckage from the crashed aircraft in the Mojave Desert
Virgin Galactic, part of Richard Branson's Virgin Group, aims to begin space tourist flights to the edge of space next year.
The company said in a statement to Sky News: "Virgin Galactic's partner Scaled Composites conducted a powered test flight of SpaceShipTwo earlier today.
"During the test, the vehicle suffered a serious anomaly resulting in the loss of the vehicle.
"The WhiteKnightTwo carrier aircraft landed safely. Our first concern is the status of the pilots, which is unknown at this time.
"We will work closely with relevant authorities to determine the cause of this accident and provide updates as soon as we are able to do so."
TV pictures showed wreckage from the crashed aircraft in the Mojave Desert.
Parachutes were reportedly spotted in the air.
More at link.
http://news.sky.com/story/1364455/one-dead-as-virgin-galactic-spaceship-crashes
One Dead As Virgin Galactic Spaceship Crashes
The tragedy over the Mojave Desert comes as Virgin Galactic was preparing to begin tourist flights to the edge of space next year.
By Sky News US Team
One person is dead and another injured after a Virgin Galactic suborbital rocket plane crashed on a powered test flight over California.
The tragedy occurred after SpaceShipTwo fired its rocket motor following a high-altitude drop from Virgin Galactic's WhiteKnightTwo mothership.
California Highway Patrol reported one fatality and one "major injury" after Friday's incident.
Wreckage from the crashed aircraft in the Mojave Desert
Virgin Galactic, part of Richard Branson's Virgin Group, aims to begin space tourist flights to the edge of space next year.
The company said in a statement to Sky News: "Virgin Galactic's partner Scaled Composites conducted a powered test flight of SpaceShipTwo earlier today.
"During the test, the vehicle suffered a serious anomaly resulting in the loss of the vehicle.
"The WhiteKnightTwo carrier aircraft landed safely. Our first concern is the status of the pilots, which is unknown at this time.
"We will work closely with relevant authorities to determine the cause of this accident and provide updates as soon as we are able to do so."
TV pictures showed wreckage from the crashed aircraft in the Mojave Desert.
Parachutes were reportedly spotted in the air.
More at link.
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This is really sad. It stated that they had been using a new type of fuel (plastic based?) amongst other things....
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Yes, I saw that, Lily, but I freely admit, I didn't really understand it.
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The cause will be revealed in due course, Bonny. It could be a number of things in reality.
Plastic Composites is the company that Burt Rutan started.
Plastic Composites is the company that Burt Rutan started.
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This is more positive:
http://rt.com/news/201447-china-moon-orbiter-landing/
hina has completed its first return mission to the moon. After flying around the moon, the unmanned probe landed successfully in the grasslands of Mongolia.
The mission was a test run for an ambitious unmanned trip to the moon’s surface planned for 2017, according to state agency Xinhua.
The probe’s aim was to test technology set to be used in the Chang’e-5, a probe whose goal will be to gather samples from the moon’s surface and return to Earth, China’s State Administration of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense (SASTIND) said.
The lunar return mission is a first for China, whose previous lunar exploration probes were not designed to come back to Earth.
Last December, China dispatched a rover on a one-way mission to the moon. Though plagued by technical issues, the rover, known as the Jade Rabbit, is still collecting data from the lunar surface.
On its way back to Earth, the craft, launched 8 days ago by a Long March rocket in western China, was travelling at a velocity of 11.2 kilometers per second, generating heat upwards of 1,500 degrees Celsius, reports Xinhua.
Using “skip-reentry technology,” scientists let the craft, dubbed Xiaofei or “Little Flier”, “bounce” off the Earth’s atmosphere before re-entering and landing. This move was designed to slow it down and reduce its temperature, Hao Xifan, deputy chief designer of the probe told China’s S&T Daily newspaper.
China’s military-run space program sent its first astronaut to space in 2003, and has made steady advances in space exploration over the last decade.
Beijing is planning to build a permanent space station by 2020 and eventually send a manned mission to the moon.
China views the development of its space program as evidence that its star is rising. The return of the Xiaofei probe makes China the third nation, following the former Soviet Union and the US to complete a mission to the moon and back.
I find it almost tragic that the staggering achievements of the US in the 60s and 70s weren't built on.
http://rt.com/news/201447-china-moon-orbiter-landing/
hina has completed its first return mission to the moon. After flying around the moon, the unmanned probe landed successfully in the grasslands of Mongolia.
The mission was a test run for an ambitious unmanned trip to the moon’s surface planned for 2017, according to state agency Xinhua.
The probe’s aim was to test technology set to be used in the Chang’e-5, a probe whose goal will be to gather samples from the moon’s surface and return to Earth, China’s State Administration of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense (SASTIND) said.
The lunar return mission is a first for China, whose previous lunar exploration probes were not designed to come back to Earth.
Last December, China dispatched a rover on a one-way mission to the moon. Though plagued by technical issues, the rover, known as the Jade Rabbit, is still collecting data from the lunar surface.
On its way back to Earth, the craft, launched 8 days ago by a Long March rocket in western China, was travelling at a velocity of 11.2 kilometers per second, generating heat upwards of 1,500 degrees Celsius, reports Xinhua.
Using “skip-reentry technology,” scientists let the craft, dubbed Xiaofei or “Little Flier”, “bounce” off the Earth’s atmosphere before re-entering and landing. This move was designed to slow it down and reduce its temperature, Hao Xifan, deputy chief designer of the probe told China’s S&T Daily newspaper.
China’s military-run space program sent its first astronaut to space in 2003, and has made steady advances in space exploration over the last decade.
Beijing is planning to build a permanent space station by 2020 and eventually send a manned mission to the moon.
China views the development of its space program as evidence that its star is rising. The return of the Xiaofei probe makes China the third nation, following the former Soviet Union and the US to complete a mission to the moon and back.
I find it almost tragic that the staggering achievements of the US in the 60s and 70s weren't built on.
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We know who didn't want to further that......
Look at this, so sad. I remember the blast referred to in there.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/31/spaceshiptwo-flew-on-untested-rocket-motor.html
Look at this, so sad. I remember the blast referred to in there.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/31/spaceshiptwo-flew-on-untested-rocket-motor.html
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Previous fatalities and near-fatalities:
http://news.sky.com/story/1364746/a-history-of-space-disasters-in-10-points
http://news.sky.com/story/1364746/a-history-of-space-disasters-in-10-points
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It is such a double edged sword.....
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I think we need to remember, that while every death is of course a tragedy - and frequently avoidable with more care ON THE GROUND - all those men and women died doing what they loved. Every one of them decided the risk was worth it, and chose their own path.
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if road travel is statistically more dangerous than space travel. There is NO chance of ever finding me in a spacecraft, I don't even like flying, but I am in awe of astronauts and cosmonauts. I wish governments would take a lead from them and work as peacefully together on earth as they do in space.
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if road travel is statistically more dangerous than space travel. There is NO chance of ever finding me in a spacecraft, I don't even like flying, but I am in awe of astronauts and cosmonauts. I wish governments would take a lead from them and work as peacefully together on earth as they do in space.
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It may even be that accidents in the home pose a greater risk. No doubt those pilots/astronauts knew the risks but wanted to blaze a trail.
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Where would we be if Columbus had thought, No, I'm not going, too risky, the boat might sink....
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Oh....you mean that Health and Safety hadn't got to him first?
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SKY-HIGH HUBRIS
11.01.14
Virgin Galactic’s Flight Path to Disaster: A Clash of High Risk and Hyperbole
Sir Richard Branson’s a consummate salesman, but his rhetoric and hopes got ahead of his company’s engineers.
It was always recklessly optimistic of Sir Richard Branson to imagine that he could go straight from experimental test flights of his Virgin Galactic SpaceShip One to carrying passengers in a matter of months.
That’s not the way that things work when you’re pushing at the edge of the unknown, as this program was.
And yet there was Sir Richard, only a few weeks ago, suggesting that once the ship had fired up its rocket motor with a new kind of fuel he would be riding the first passenger-carrying flight early next year.
He’s never seemed either to understand or admit how many technical challenges had to be faced before space tourism could be an everyday event, as safe and simple as flying an airline.
Every milestone in aviation and aerospace has been reached only after exhaustive and often dangerous testing.
The closest parallel to the Galactic challenge is the example of Chuck Yaeger being the first man to successfully fly at supersonic speed in 1947.
It was called, rather dramatically, breaking the sound barrier. In fact, there was no barrier but there was much to be discovered about changes to the controllability of an airplane as it surged beyond the speed of sound.
Yaeger’s Bell X-1 rocket ship was a one-off experimental machine. It would be years before air force pilots could safely fly the supersonic fighters that evolved from these test flights into a very different form.
Yet Virgin Galactic posited the notion that an experimental test vehicle and the final form of a “spaceship for tourists” could be identical.
Both a rocket engine with a temperamental record and an airframe of revolutionary design and construction had to be proved safe. And not just safe for test pilots, but safe enough for the long line of celebrities who had signed up to ride the rocket.
All the Virgin Galactic test flying was done under a special experimental permit issued by the Federal Aviation Administration. To reach the point where SpaceShip Two could be cleared for carrying passengers Galactic needed to move from the experimental permit to being awarded an operator’s license.
That required a new 180-day review by the FAA to establish that all the systems were thoroughly tested and fail-safe. But remember, this was uncharted territory for the FAA just as it was for Galactic. Indeed, by submitting to the FAA review Galactic was being asked to set the standards for all who followed… if they could.
It was a very tall order. Branson wanted a vehicle that could carry six passengers, two pilots and reach a speed of 2,500mph and a height of around 65 miles, ten times the height at which an airliner cruises.
By any measure, this accident will have set back the development program by years. Will backers want to pour ever more money into this black hole?
When the FAA certifies a new airliner as safe it is normal for the airplane builder, like Boeing or Airbus, to put as many a six airplanes into the test program, all flying at the same time, to test every aspect of the design and its safety—and this for a technology that is in most parts wholly mature. Even then it can take several years to receive certification. The principle is clear: the design must have multiple redundancies so that no single failure can jeopardize the airplane.
But here Virgin was fielding only one test vehicle that embodied a whole set of completely untried systems. Everything was being staked on the two test pilots being able to anticipate potential failures and the ground engineers likewise poring over the test results to detect weak points before they had catastrophic results. Despite this, Virgin asked the FAA to begin their review for the operator’s license in August 2013, and that was when the 180-day clock started ticking.
However, as that period neared its end it was obvious that SpaceShip Two was nowhere near completing its test flights and passing every safety milestone that it needed to. So Virgin voluntarily asked the FAA to stop the clock.
The program was facing its most daunting test, firing up the rocket engine to full power and for long enough to reach that apogee of 65 miles high.
Early this year a test flight proved that the fuel being used for the rocket would never meet that goal. The power delivered by the rocket motor was uneven and tricky to control. On the first powered test flights the pilots had prematurely to shut down the engine.
Then a critical change was ordered—a fuel using a new formula that was thought to be more stable and deliver more power. This fuel was repeatedly tested on the ground. But no ground test can replicate the conditions of a flight—key factors like temperature, air pressure and far lower gravitational pull affect the way the fuel behaves.
On Friday morning the pilots prepared for the first flight with the new fuel. There was, I am told, a two-hour delay caused by concerns about the temperature of the fuel. Nonetheless, the test pilots, both known to be scrupulous in their preparations, felt confident enough to go. So SpaceShip Two was lifted aloft by the mother ship, WhiteKnight Two, and separated at 40,000 feet to “light the candle” as rocket ignition is called. Disaster followed.
There are many consequences to this failure. Not the least is what it implies for the financing of the project. After years of delays the costs have gone beyond a billion dollars. More than a third of that money has come from Abar, an investment fund based in Abu Dhabi. (This was made available in return for an undertaking by Virgin to build a space tourism base in the Gulf.) By any measure, this accident will have set back the development program by years. Will backers want to pour ever more money into this black hole?
Then there is the case of Spaceport America in New Mexico, near the small city of Truth & Consequences. This cost local taxpayers $212 million to build in the hope that they would become the center of the new industry of space tourism.
It’s not exactly clear how many people have signed up to ride SpaceShip One – Galactic has claimed that as many as 800 people have paid deposits on the $250,000 fare but the numbers are squishy. For these people the disaster over the Mojave Desert is a sobering wake-up call. What to many must have seemed the prospect of a spectacular joy ride is now better appreciated as a thrill from the very edge of what is safely attainable.
From the beginning in 2004 there has always been a credibility gap between the fairground hyperbole of Branson’s formidable publicity machine and the scientific reality of the enterprise. Somehow, probably because he is such a consummate showman, Branson has been able, year after year, to override the story of continual delays, flagrant over-promises and a voracious, seemingly open-ended budget. This time it’s different. A National Transportation Safety Board investigation will deliver a forensic rigor that has been so far lacking. It will strip away the vocabulary of the promoter. And it will reveal the world as lived daily by the engineers and test pilots who knew how much was left to be understood among the hazards of the dream.
HTTP://WWW.THEDAILYBEAST.COM/ARTICLES/2014/11/01/VIRGIN-GALACTIC-S-FLIGHT-PATH-TO-DISASTER-A-CLASH-OF-HIGH-RISK-AND-HYPERBOLE.HTML
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Something is wrong with my imac again. It's picking up script its not supposed to. Sorry guys.
That article posted is really interesting about Branson and his vision in getting there.
That article posted is really interesting about Branson and his vision in getting there.
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Thanks, Lily, that is indeed interesting. And if it's half-way accurate, then Richard Branston is going to come out of this very well.
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He will, Bonny. I really do like him as he is such a warm, generous man and doesn't hesitate to give hugs out like candy.....
In other words, he is the type of person who does deserve what he has achieved.
In other words, he is the type of person who does deserve what he has achieved.
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He must feel dreadful at the death, and severe injury, of pilots that were friends as well, Lily. This was one of the worst space-related disasters, but it's not on many lists because of the circumstances at the time:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nedelin_catastrophe
The Nedelin catastrophe or Nedelin disaster was a launch pad accident that occurred on 24 October 1960 at Baikonur test range (of which Baikonur Cosmodrome is a part), during the development of the Soviet ICBM R-16. As a prototype of the missile was being prepared for a test flight, an explosion occurred when second stage engines ignited accidentally, killing many military and technical personnel working on the preparations. Despite the magnitude of the disaster, news of it was suppressed for many years and the Soviet government did not acknowledge the event until 1989. The disaster is named after Chief Marshal of Artillery Mitrofan Ivanovich Nedelin (Russian: Митрофан Иванович Неделин), who was killed in the explosion. As commanding officer of the Soviet Union's Strategic Rocket Forces, Nedelin was head of the R-16 development program.
The USSR tried to cover it up by announcing the deaths of assorted generals in 'plane crashes', etc-
Complete secrecy was immediately imposed on the events of 24 October by Nikita Khrushchev. A news release stated that Nedelin had died in a plane crash and the families of the other engineers were advised to say their loved ones had died of the same cause. Khrushchev also ordered Leonid Brezhnev to head an investigation commission and go to the site. Among other things, the commission found that many more people were present on the launch pad than should have been — most were supposed to be safely offsite in bunkers.[citation needed]
According to Sergei Khrushchev, Brezhnev insisted that the commission punish no one, explaining that "The guilty have already been punished".
Wiki gives the death toll as 100, but I don't know if that is accurate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nedelin_catastrophe
The Nedelin catastrophe or Nedelin disaster was a launch pad accident that occurred on 24 October 1960 at Baikonur test range (of which Baikonur Cosmodrome is a part), during the development of the Soviet ICBM R-16. As a prototype of the missile was being prepared for a test flight, an explosion occurred when second stage engines ignited accidentally, killing many military and technical personnel working on the preparations. Despite the magnitude of the disaster, news of it was suppressed for many years and the Soviet government did not acknowledge the event until 1989. The disaster is named after Chief Marshal of Artillery Mitrofan Ivanovich Nedelin (Russian: Митрофан Иванович Неделин), who was killed in the explosion. As commanding officer of the Soviet Union's Strategic Rocket Forces, Nedelin was head of the R-16 development program.
The USSR tried to cover it up by announcing the deaths of assorted generals in 'plane crashes', etc-
Complete secrecy was immediately imposed on the events of 24 October by Nikita Khrushchev. A news release stated that Nedelin had died in a plane crash and the families of the other engineers were advised to say their loved ones had died of the same cause. Khrushchev also ordered Leonid Brezhnev to head an investigation commission and go to the site. Among other things, the commission found that many more people were present on the launch pad than should have been — most were supposed to be safely offsite in bunkers.[citation needed]
According to Sergei Khrushchev, Brezhnev insisted that the commission punish no one, explaining that "The guilty have already been punished".
Wiki gives the death toll as 100, but I don't know if that is accurate.
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I do believe he is rather devastated by it, Bonny. He is such an honorable and responsible person. I am sure he will make it his business to take care of the affected families.
We will probably never know the real figures of that horrendous event, Bonny.
We will probably never know the real figures of that horrendous event, Bonny.
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