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Post  lily Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:34 pm

Spain has shown that it is fully on board with the Brussels authoritarian direction of ending democracy. Those in power have simply convinced themselves that the people do not understand what is good for them so they must impose their will upon the people but raw force. How does this differ in any what from the justification of imposing communism? This is the death of all freedom and it is upon our doorstep.


O.....M......G.  I think there will be trouble....
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Post  bb1 Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:44 pm

As I've said before, Lily, when mainland Europeans are pushed too far, they don't loot supermarkets, but they don't stop till they've burned down government offices/started civil wars/started actual wars. Just look at the history of Europe over the past few centuries - technology may change, but human nature doesn't.

Merkel and co are setting things up for a rerun of the 1930's - and look how well that ended! She's destroyed the whole concept of anything resembling a 'united Europe' and is bringing about the very things that the EU was supposed to make impossible.
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Post  lily Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:48 pm

Lucky us!!  At least we know how it ends.......

Good will triumph over Evil, or so the story goes?
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Post  bb1 Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:02 pm

I am afraid it is going to get worse before it gets better, Lily. Meanwhile....

http://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2015/jul/14/greek-crisis-tsipras-political-backlash-bailout-osborne-uk-live

Merkel and Schäuble under fire in Germany

Other Germans are furious with Merkel and Ms le Pen is furious with Hollande:

Speaking of France... Marine Le Pen has kept up her barrage of criticism of the Greek deal, which she says will have “heavy consequences” on French taxpayers and the the country’s debt.

She accused the European Union of “totalitarian” behaviour, in a statement released by the Front National, adding:

“It’s clear he [Hollande] wasn’t guided by national interest, making this terrible declaration on the day of this national holiday, that the interests of the French people come after “European interests”.


And the UK is fighting with just about everyone else because Osborne won't hand over any money. Perhaps they should all have a group hug and sing Ode to Joy. Rolling Eyes
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Post  lily Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:14 pm

Beethoven's 9th is such a lovely piece, too bad that it's ruined now.  Although it was in a prominent position in A Clockwork Orange.
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Post  lily Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:43 pm

Interesting how they are fighting with one another.  Perhaps some have a greater sense of morals in this sorry saga?
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Post  bb1 Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:06 pm

IMO, that is what it's coming down to, Lily. And the IMF has now admitted that this Germany-inflicted misery CANNOT help Greece:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-14/imf-declares-war-germany-secret-report-lagarde-says-greece-will-need-massive-debt-re


IMF Declares War On Germany: In "Secret" Report Lagarde Says Greece Will Need Massive Debt Relief


So, what's the point? What's it for? Revenge? Payback for Greece daring to rebel? Looting Greece as a warning to Italy, Spain and Portugal? It's certainly not what the EU was supposed to be about....
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Post  bb1 Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:07 pm

PS - I missed the bit where I voted for the Chancellor of Germany to run Europe's economies and politics? When did that happen?
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Post  bb1 Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:16 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2015/jul/14/greek-crisis-tsipras-political-backlash-bailout-osborne-uk-live

Peter Kazimir, the Slovak finance minister, ran into some controversy yesterday by tweeting that the compromise reached was tough for Athens because it was the result of their “Greece Spring.”

That was subsequently deleted but Kazimir has waded in again just now, changing “Greek Spring” to “Syriza Spring.


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I hope that puppet remembers his words, when Slovakia hits hard times.
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Post  lily Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:28 pm

It's insanity.....
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Post  lily Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:21 pm

After re-reading the Telegraph article, this jumped out at me.

Leaked documents from the IMF leave no doubt that the rescue was intended to save the euro and European banks, not Greece. More debt was shoveled onto the Greek taxpayers in order to buy time, both in 2010 and again in 2012, storing up the crisis that Europe faces today. 
In an odd way, the only European politician who was really offering Greece a way out of the impasse was Wolfgang Schauble, the German finance minister, even if his offer was made in a graceless fashion, almost in the form of diktat.
They really have been dumped on just like those toxic securities that the others didn't want....
They would have been better off taking Schauble's offer.
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Post  bb1 Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:00 pm

Some of the performances seemed to skirt the edge of taste, as Warren Stephens, an investment banking CEO, went on stage in a Confederate flag hat and sang a song referencing the financial crisis, to the tune of 'Dixie'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562087/Behind-curtains-Wall-Streets-secret-society-Where-cross-dressing-new-members-make-bad-jokes-Hilary-Clinton-drunkenly-mock-Main-Street-laugh-financial-crisis.html#ixzz3ftiRubgM
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OMG! The Evil Flag? Arrest the swine! One good thing - if they're running round posh hotels dressed as women, that's a few hours when they haven't got their paws in our pockets...

And these are the people telling the peasants what to do... wker
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Post  lily Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:40 pm

Nice, isn't it?  They must love it when they force their political correctness on everyone else.
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Post  lily Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:41 pm

bb1 wrote:PS - I missed the bit where I voted for the Chancellor of Germany to run Europe's economies and politics? When did that happen?

It happened by stealth.
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Post  bb1 Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:36 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2015/jul/14/greek-crisis-tsipras-political-backlash-bailout-osborne-uk-live

Efi Koutsokosta @Efkouts
Greek PM @tsipras: I am not going to escape and I will take the responsibility even by signing an agreement I don't believe in. #greekment


What? He doesn't believe in this agreement, but he's going to sign it anyway.....?
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Post  lily Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:58 pm

WTF?
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Post  bb1 Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:05 pm

Don't ask me, Lily, he's talking on Greek TV just now, and not making a lot of sense...

Meanwhile, twitter hostilities are increasing, as #thisisacoup has been joined by #boycottgermany, and the insults are flying thick and fast...

Political, financial turmoil in Greece - Page 20 RsgOX8mH_bigger BoycottGermany ‏@boycottgermany 3h3 hours ago
70 years forward for #germany, and not a single lesson learned. But this time the people of Europe can and will fight back #boycottgermany

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Mark Wayne ‏@orwell4ever 3h3 hours ago
WW1 #Germany invaded Belgium
WW2 Poland
Austerity War #ThisIsACoup #Greece
#BoycottGermany to defeat #Merkel ECB austerity fascism 3rd time
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MK ‏@MikeCGN 3h3 hours ago
#BoycottGermany Please do so and boycott our money too. Bloodsuckers, get lost and deal with your problems alone #FuckGreece


I hope our lords and masters think the money is worth the damage they've done - any idea of 'Europe' is rapidly going down the toilet.
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Post  lily Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:15 pm

They have the chaos they so love though....
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Post  bb1 Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:18 pm

Haven't they just?

Efi Koutsokosta @Efkouts
Greek PM @atsipras asked if #Grexit finally avoided: I cannot say anything with certainty before the deal finally signed. #greekment


Oh gawd.
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Post  bb1 Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:28 pm

The Greek Analyst ‏@GreekAnalyst 4h4 hours ago
#Tsipras says that the cracks in Europe have begun; he added that austerity will soon stop being a one-way road in Europe.

tsimitakis ‏@tsimitakis 4h4 hours ago
#Tsipras says that the crack in european consensus is where the seed of democracy will grow. Meaning weakness turning to power


'Seeds of democracy?' We were all supposed to be living in democracies.....
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Post  lily Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:33 pm

I guess not now.......
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Post  bb1 Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:50 pm

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-14/tsipras-stunner-creditors-said-countries-under-bailout-there-no-point-holding-electi


GREEK PM TSIPRAS SAYS LENDERS GIVE A MESSAGE THAT IN COUNTRIES UNDER A BAILOUT THERE IS NO POINT IN HOLDING ELECTIONS


OMG.
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