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Re: Eddie And Keela
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Re: Eddie And Keela
I don't remember that being mentioned on the documentary, either, HB.
The documentary did its best to portray Mrs Prout sympathetically - without success.
Oddly, one of the reasons I feel her husband may be innocent is that he would almost certainly have received a light sentence if he had pled guilty to manslaughter - her conduct would have provoked a saint.
Given her behaviour when she'd been drinking, I felt it was entirely possible she had thrown herself in a river or something in a fit of attention-seeking hysterics, which had gone wrong.
The documentary did its best to portray Mrs Prout sympathetically - without success.
Oddly, one of the reasons I feel her husband may be innocent is that he would almost certainly have received a light sentence if he had pled guilty to manslaughter - her conduct would have provoked a saint.
Given her behaviour when she'd been drinking, I felt it was entirely possible she had thrown herself in a river or something in a fit of attention-seeking hysterics, which had gone wrong.
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The North/South Irish border is, in certain remote areas, as porous as they come! Tht's how the old IRA could easily come and go. LLhonestbroker wrote:Northern Ireland, maybe, but wouldn't you need a passport to get to the republic?
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Interesting - thanks, Chicane!
So, this criminal mastermind somehow disposes of his wife's body so cunningly that not a trace can be found - yet leaves her cards, phone, etc, lying around the house?
Does not compute...
I would need to see the documentary again to be sure, but I seem to recall the wife had been making mad, drunken phone calls alledging all sorts of things which demonstrably had no basis in reality, so I would not take it for granted that the diary is entirely truthful.
Short of finding a body, we may never know what happened, but I personally would not rule out her having met her end accidentally whilst intoxicated; it does happen, especially in rural areas.
So, this criminal mastermind somehow disposes of his wife's body so cunningly that not a trace can be found - yet leaves her cards, phone, etc, lying around the house?
Does not compute...
I would need to see the documentary again to be sure, but I seem to recall the wife had been making mad, drunken phone calls alledging all sorts of things which demonstrably had no basis in reality, so I would not take it for granted that the diary is entirely truthful.
Short of finding a body, we may never know what happened, but I personally would not rule out her having met her end accidentally whilst intoxicated; it does happen, especially in rural areas.
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I honestly do not know, HB.
I saw the documentary, and was surprised at the verdict, and I have read a little in the press about it.
I hadn't seen the blog before today, even.
I saw the documentary, and was surprised at the verdict, and I have read a little in the press about it.
I hadn't seen the blog before today, even.
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Oh dear...Google search for the CH1 documentary dropped me in Havern's Hell...
It was a dramatised edition of Murder in Suburbia, broadcasted on 6 March 2011....maybe it is on YouTube?? I can't find it. UK must have a Missing Broadcast website...?? I dunno.
Anyway Havern
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JqhSoVoOsyAJ:jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2189-disappearance-murder-of-kate-prout+Missing+Kate+Prout&cd=4&hl=nl&ct=clnk&gl=nl&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.nl
- Kate Prout disappeared
- No body found
- No hard evidence, just a tiny bit of circumstantial evidence, Kate's diaries: MrProut had been violent
- Divorce situation
- Deja vu: Eddie the snifferdog was brought in and signalled behind the sofa and the patiodoors
- Police had forensic team go through the house, but nothing was found to incriminate Mr Prout
- Suspect must have strangled her, as no blood was found
- Convicted of her murder on flimsy evidence
- His demenour was not right, demeour and attitude, Adrian remained consistent throughout.
- He left it 5 days to report her missing, he only did so after he was persuaded by a concerned relative.
- Discussion the day before Kate went missing, she put to him her increased demand for settlement.
- Mr. Prout lied about this conversatio, when it became obvious he told no more lies, he gave up
- Mr.Prout had an affair with the housekeeper, Diane Bellamy
- The fact that he was going to lose their farm was central to the whole thing.
It was a dramatised edition of Murder in Suburbia, broadcasted on 6 March 2011....maybe it is on YouTube?? I can't find it. UK must have a Missing Broadcast website...?? I dunno.
Anyway Havern
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JqhSoVoOsyAJ:jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2189-disappearance-murder-of-kate-prout+Missing+Kate+Prout&cd=4&hl=nl&ct=clnk&gl=nl&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.nl
- Kate Prout disappeared
- No body found
- No hard evidence, just a tiny bit of circumstantial evidence, Kate's diaries: MrProut had been violent
- Divorce situation
- Deja vu: Eddie the snifferdog was brought in and signalled behind the sofa and the patiodoors
- Police had forensic team go through the house, but nothing was found to incriminate Mr Prout
- Suspect must have strangled her, as no blood was found
- Convicted of her murder on flimsy evidence
- His demenour was not right, demeour and attitude, Adrian remained consistent throughout.
- He left it 5 days to report her missing, he only did so after he was persuaded by a concerned relative.
- Discussion the day before Kate went missing, she put to him her increased demand for settlement.
- Mr. Prout lied about this conversatio, when it became obvious he told no more lies, he gave up
- Mr.Prout had an affair with the housekeeper, Diane Bellamy
- The fact that he was going to lose their farm was central to the whole thing.
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Ah yes, that's what I saw - it was, I recall, an hour long?
As it now appears he was NOT going to lose the farm, well, that makes the case against him even flimsier, doesn't it?
They don't seem to have watched the same show as I did, Chicane. When I watched it, I kept thinking, Yes, but where is the actual evidence?
It certainly didn't seem to me like a sound conviction.
As it now appears he was NOT going to lose the farm, well, that makes the case against him even flimsier, doesn't it?
They don't seem to have watched the same show as I did, Chicane. When I watched it, I kept thinking, Yes, but where is the actual evidence?
It certainly didn't seem to me like a sound conviction.
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It amazes me how Gonc knew so much about these dogs reactions, as he was NEVER present at any one of the searches. How can he say what happened here.
Villa's
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Murats house
Ocean Club
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So how come his book makes out he was at these searches. More interstingly, where was he?
He never met the McCann's or spoke to them.
WTF did the idle fat defective actually do in this, but sit on his ass. This stinks as much as ever where Gonc's concerned
Villa's
Gardens
Murats house
Ocean Club
Sports Hall
Car Park
So how come his book makes out he was at these searches. More interstingly, where was he?
He never met the McCann's or spoke to them.
WTF did the idle fat defective actually do in this, but sit on his ass. This stinks as much as ever where Gonc's concerned
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Something awful has just dawned on me, about the Prout case, which also involved the wonderdogs.
Grime was still riding high after PDL when he got involved in that:
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/01/eddie-and-keela-versus-team-mccann.html
Eddie and Keela versus Team McCann
15 JANUARY 2008 | POSTED BY JOANA MORAIS LEAVE A COMMENT
Eddie and Keela, the two sniffer British dogs used to find evidences of Madeleine's death, in Portugal were used by the police in the searches of Kate Prout.
WE ARE SURE KATE WAS MURDERED - DETECTIVES
Police now believe missing farmer Kate Prout was murdered.
Officers have refused to rule out the possibility the 55-year-old from Redmarley may have come to harm.
They say the possibility she has been murdered is stronger than ever.
Although investigations at her Redhill Farm home finished a fortnight ago it is understood specialist sniffer dogs used in the search for missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann in Portugal have been used in the investigation and found evidence of Mrs Prout's death.
Det Supt Neil Kelly said specialist dogs had been used but could not comment on what was found.
As usual, nothing was found, but Prout is behind bars because Eddie woofed.
More about the Prout case here:
http://caseblog.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/justice4adrian/
Grime was still riding high after PDL when he got involved in that:
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/01/eddie-and-keela-versus-team-mccann.html
Eddie and Keela versus Team McCann
15 JANUARY 2008 | POSTED BY JOANA MORAIS LEAVE A COMMENT
Eddie and Keela, the two sniffer British dogs used to find evidences of Madeleine's death, in Portugal were used by the police in the searches of Kate Prout.
WE ARE SURE KATE WAS MURDERED - DETECTIVES
Police now believe missing farmer Kate Prout was murdered.
Officers have refused to rule out the possibility the 55-year-old from Redmarley may have come to harm.
They say the possibility she has been murdered is stronger than ever.
Although investigations at her Redhill Farm home finished a fortnight ago it is understood specialist sniffer dogs used in the search for missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann in Portugal have been used in the investigation and found evidence of Mrs Prout's death.
Det Supt Neil Kelly said specialist dogs had been used but could not comment on what was found.
As usual, nothing was found, but Prout is behind bars because Eddie woofed.
More about the Prout case here:
http://caseblog.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/justice4adrian/
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Interesting News Report on Video about Cadaver Dogs.
http://www.kmbc.com/video/29585405/detail.html
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I posted this shot from it there, Sabot - will stick it here for easy reference:
I suspect Dr David knows rather more about it than people who keep shouting, Dogs Don't Lie!
I suspect Dr David knows rather more about it than people who keep shouting, Dogs Don't Lie!
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Good, innit.
Dr Edward David wrote The Cadaver Dog Handbook. So I think he knows quite a lot.
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Great find. 70% accurate........ may pick up on soiled diaper or nail clippings...........
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A recap on all things dog:
http://regretsandramblings.com/2011/11/16/trip-down-memory-lane-and-those-dogs/
http://regretsandramblings.com/2011/11/16/trip-down-memory-lane-and-those-dogs/
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-17312265
Count the dogs and the handlers.
The story is enlightening too.
Count the dogs and the handlers.
The story is enlightening too.
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Good find, Tony.
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This is a very enlightening read:
http://www.hornbecks.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=94&Itemid=67
http://www.hornbecks.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=94&Itemid=67
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http://blog.old-and-bold.info/?p=3400
Sniffer Dogs ‘Can Hinder Police Work’
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Interesting to see the authors of this report are from the NPIA. This is the organisation who supported a retired dog handler whilst he searched in Portugal and Jersey, against the wishes of the ACPO police dog working group who could see the Police being bought into disrepute. Some of his outrageous comments around finding “the smell of death” are believed by police officers around the country. Victim recovery handlers are often asked, “has your dog found the smell of death”
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The main discussion points are around Portugal and Jersey and the employment of a private company earning reputedly 1k a day plus expenses…l think l would blow my own trumpet if l could rake in that sort of money.
These two particular dogs were owned and worked by ex Police Officer Martin Grime, were not licensed in any way, and on the many occasions he was offered to attend a Regional School anywhere in the country to be assessed he declined.
I know of many more stories regarding this individual and his ‘trail of death’ dogs and he is not a favourite of mine, he has set us back in the forensic expert world due to the two main stories.
Sniffer Dogs ‘Can Hinder Police Work’
quotes:
Interesting to see the authors of this report are from the NPIA. This is the organisation who supported a retired dog handler whilst he searched in Portugal and Jersey, against the wishes of the ACPO police dog working group who could see the Police being bought into disrepute. Some of his outrageous comments around finding “the smell of death” are believed by police officers around the country. Victim recovery handlers are often asked, “has your dog found the smell of death”
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The main discussion points are around Portugal and Jersey and the employment of a private company earning reputedly 1k a day plus expenses…l think l would blow my own trumpet if l could rake in that sort of money.
These two particular dogs were owned and worked by ex Police Officer Martin Grime, were not licensed in any way, and on the many occasions he was offered to attend a Regional School anywhere in the country to be assessed he declined.
I know of many more stories regarding this individual and his ‘trail of death’ dogs and he is not a favourite of mine, he has set us back in the forensic expert world due to the two main stories.
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Re: Eddie And Keela
I think we all suspected that, didn't we? You only had to watch Martin Grime to get some idea of what was going on.
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