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Post  Lamplighter Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:30 am

Argentina Makes Claim To UN Over Falklands
By Hannah Thomas-Peter, US reporter | Sky News – 13 minutes ago

On the 30th anniversary of the end of the Falklands war, Argentina's president Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner will travel to the UN in New York to reassert her country's claim to sovereignty over the islands. She will attend a usually low key annual meeting of the UN's Decolonisation Committee , reportedly with around 90 delegates. It is the first time a head of state has shown up in person.

The UK refuses to participate in the 29-country committee, but two of the Falkland Islands' four legislative assembly members, Roger Edwards and Mike Summers, will be there to speak. Mr Edwards told Sky News Online: "My message to President Cristina Fernandez and the government of Argentina is that we, the people of the Falkland Islands, have a right to determine our own future. It is chapter one of the United Nations Charter and it is the basic human right of all people."

Mr Edwards confirmed he would try to hand a formal letter to the Argentine delegation at the meeting, but admitted he did not know if she would receive it.
Mr Edwards and Mr Summers will be accompanied by a delegation of six younger Falkland Islanders. One of them, Michael Poole, told Sky News Online that the 3,000 people living there had already chosen to be a UK territory, and they were fed up of Argentina's bogus claims. He said: "We're very happy to be British, very happy to have the support of the British government, and we hope for that to continue in the future."

UN diplomats have described President Fernandez's decision to come to New York as "odd". The committee she's speaking at has little political influence and tends to issue the same call every year: for all sides to open negotiations about the status of the Falkland Islands. It is a call the UK will reject, just as it rejects the premise of the meeting in the first place.

Diplomats have also suggested President Fernandez is ratcheting up tension over the Falklands as a way of distracting from her own domestic political problems. Her government has accused the UK of "militarizing" the South Atlantic by sending a destroyer to the region and deploying Prince William on a tour of duty to the Islands. Four months ago Argentina's Foreign Minister Hector Timerman called the islands "the last refuge of a declining empire".

UN leader Ban Ki-moon appealed to both sides to avoid an "escalation" of their sovereignty battle at such a sensitive time.

The UK has accused Argentina of trying to impose an economic blockade on the Falklands by making shipping and flying to and from the islands more difficult, and for declaring UK companies exploring for oil nearby "illegal".

On Tuesday the Falklands government announced it would be holding a referendum on the Islands' political status next year, aiming to bring to an end the dispute over what the people living there want.

So. as Argentina's domestic problems escalate, this idiotic woman spends thousands of pesos flying to the UN just to cover her, and her government's ineptitudes. They don't really want the Islands, they want the oil etc that is in the sea that surrounds them. LL


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Post  bb1 Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:34 am

Well, as the islanders are going to have a vote on the matter, I suggest she butt out and let democracy prevail.

Though Argentina and democracy don't really go together....
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Post  Lamplighter Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:43 am

bb1 wrote:Well, as the islanders are going to have a vote on the matter, I suggest she butt out and let democracy prevail.

Though Argentina and democracy don't really go together....
She won't, that's for sure. She needs for her 'people' to see how wonderful she is and to cover up the total mess she and her cronies have made of the economy. LL
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Post  bb1 Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:46 am

She'll be handing Argentina back to the descendants of the native people who were displaced and slaughtered by Spain to set an example, I take it?
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Post  Lamplighter Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:55 am

Falkland Islands liberation marked
Press Association – 3 hours ago

KIRCHNER AT UN TO DEMAND RETURN OF FALKLANDS TO ARGENTINA UKNews140620120602094-1
Foreign Office minister Jeremy Browne during a service at San Carlos cemetery to commemorate the Falklands War.

War heroes and those they freed will stand together as they mark the 30th anniversary of the liberation of the Falkland Islands.
The 74-day occupation of the remote British Overseas Territory ended on June 14 1982 as Argentinian commander General Mario Menendez surrendered to the British at Stanley.
The fighting cost the lives of 255 British servicemen, three Falkland Islanders and 655 Argentinian soldiers. Three decades after Margaret Thatcher sent 27,000 troops and more than 100 ships to repel the Argentinian invaders, Buenos Aires continues to set its sights on claiming the territory.
The South American country's president, Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, is due to address the United Nations Special Committee on Decolonisation, meeting in New York.
A small delegation of islanders, most of whom were not yet born when the Falklands War took place, will also be in New York, where they hope to give a message to Ms Kirchner and the Argentinian delegation that the South American country's attitude to Falkland Islanders is an "insult" to the generations of families who have forged a life there.
In Stanley - the capital of the Falkland Islands - veterans, widows, politicians and Falklanders will take part in a commemoration service.
The service will be attended by Foreign Office Minister Jeremy Browne who said the anniversary would be a mixture of "celebration and commemoration".
"People are very proud of the achievements of the British armed forces," Mr Browne said. "The Falkland Islanders themselves were obviously coerced into a political arrangement they didn't wish to have 30 years ago and they are enthusiastic about celebrating their liberation from that. It is also a commemorative event and it's a balance about people being pleased on the Falkland Islands about the outcome of the war but also a more sombre reflection on the sacrifice on both sides."
At least half of the 3,000-strong population is expected to line the street which leads to Liberation Monument. A service of thanksgiving will be held at Stanley's Christ Church Cathedral, with the Governor of the Falkland Islands, members of the Legislative Assembly, the Commander of British Forces South Atlantic Islands and other visiting dignitaries and veterans expected to attend.
A parade will be led by veterans of the 1982 war and consist of members of the Royal Navy, the Parachute Regiment, the Royal Air Force and the Falkland Islands Defence Force.
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Post  Sabot Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:43 pm


Bugger Off, is all I've got to say to her. She might well have some misguided support in America, but what does she think they are going to do about it? Invade?
America has got enough problems of illegal invasion without getting involved in this.
And The Falkland Islanders are a tough bunch.
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Post  rhodes Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:46 pm

But don't the British want the islands for the oil?

or am I wrong?
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Post  Lamplighter Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:52 pm

rhodes wrote:But don't the British want the islands for the oil?

or am I wrong?
The Falkland Islanders wish to remain British; it is Kirchner who wants the Islands for the oil etc.

Sabot, she has the support of the more radical S American countries, like Chile, but as far as I know the USA does not wish to get involved. LL
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Post  rhodes Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:57 pm

fair enough, if the islanders want to remain British, that is their choice.

Shame Cameron doesn't think there is the public appetite for a European referendum for the rest of us.

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Post  Sabot Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:59 pm

rhodes wrote:But don't the British want the islands for the oil?

or am I wrong?

The Falkland Islanders are entitled to the oil. Not sure if they want it.
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Post  Sabot Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:03 pm

Lamplighter wrote:
rhodes wrote:But don't the British want the islands for the oil?

or am I wrong?
The Falkland Islanders wish to remain British; it is Kirchner who wants the Islands for the oil etc.

Sabot, she has the support of the more radical S American countries, like Chile, but as far as I know the USA does not wish to get involved. LL

But didn't some North American Politician spout off on this one, albeit a supposed personal opinion. Not that anyone needs to worry about that, but why is she going to America?
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Post  Lamplighter Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:09 pm

Sabot wrote:
Lamplighter wrote:
rhodes wrote:But don't the British want the islands for the oil?

or am I wrong?
The Falkland Islanders wish to remain British; it is Kirchner who wants the Islands for the oil etc.

Sabot, she has the support of the more radical S American countries, like Chile, but as far as I know the USA does not wish to get involved. LL

But didn't some North American Politician spout off on this one, albeit a supposed personal opinion. Not that anyone needs to worry about that, but why is she going to America?
She's gone to the United Nations, which is based in New York, to put her case, not to the US. LL


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Post  Sabot Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:31 pm

Lamplighter wrote:
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Lamplighter wrote:
rhodes wrote:But don't the British want the islands for the oil?

or am I wrong?
The Falkland Islanders wish to remain British; it is Kirchner who wants the Islands for the oil etc.

Sabot, she has the support of the more radical S American countries, like Chile, but as far as I know the USA does not wish to get involved. LL

But didn't some North American Politician spout off on this one, albeit a supposed personal opinion. Not that anyone needs to worry about that, but why is she going to America?
She's gone to the United Nations, which is based in New York, to putr her case, not to the US. LL

What's it got to do with The United Nations? The Falkland Islands have been occupied by Brits for a very long time, way back to when no one wanted it, except for a bunch of lunatic, hardy Scots. It's theirs.
Argentina has always used The Faklands to cover the horror of their own hideous regimes. And no one wants that in The Falklands.
And for heaven's sake, it is hundreds of miles off the coast of Argentina.

Sorry. This incenses me. But I had to laugh when Britain imported Lamb for the troops because they didn't know how to cook Mutton. Mutton is far superior, if you can get it.
France is not Sheep country generally, and all of the locals who raise it keep it for themselves.
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Post  bb1 Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:42 am

She's some damn cheek:

http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16247307

Falklands: UK Told To Be 'More Intelligent'

Argentina's President has demanded that Britain starts to "act more intelligently" and begin talks with her country over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands.

Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner coincided her emotional speech to the United Nations with the 30th anniversary of the end of the war over the territory, which Argentina calls Las Malvinas.
Britain has controlled the archipelago since 1833 - except for 74 days of occupation in 1982 - but Argentina claims it inherited rights to them from Spain upon its declaration of independence in 1816


So, how does she work out that Spain had the right to them in the first place? Not that it matters, it's up to the islanders to choose, not a third-rate Evita.
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Post  Lamplighter Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:54 am

She's basing it on this: (Long article so just providing link). LL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_sovereignty_dispute
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Post  Sabot Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:56 pm

Lamplighter wrote:She's basing it on this: (Long article so just providing link). LL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_sovereignty_dispute

Thank you, LL. I've read all that, and 1690 definitely ties it up. That is when Britain claimed the unoccupied Islands. Britain has never rescinded this claim.
As far as Britain is concerned, The Falklands have right to self determination. Argentina refuses to accept such rights.
The name Los Malvinas isn't even Argentinian, it is a distortion of The French name.
And if that isn't enough, there is always Squatter's Rights, and we beat the barstards.

Sorry about all of the very young Argentinian men who were Conscripted, and didn't even want to be there to bolster up a Military Junta who appears to have bumped off and "disappeared" large numbers of it's own Citizens.

So bugger off, Mrs.
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Post  Lamplighter Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:20 pm

I heard she's trying to get Spain on her side, by citing Gibraltar as being Spanish and stolen by Perfidious Albion from those nice Spaniards. However, at the moment in time, she ain't gonna get much luck there, they are too occupied with their banks being downgraded to a slice above junk status, the unemployed situation, austerity, the shortages .... Yes, she needs to back off. LL
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Post  bb1 Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:29 pm

Spain showing any signs of giving up Ceuta, LL?
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Post  Lamplighter Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:32 pm

bb1 wrote:Spain showing any signs of giving up Ceuta, LL?
In a small Wiki paragraph, NO!! LL

Morocco had previously called for negotiations on the future of Ceuta, Melilla and a number of Mediterranean islands and enclaves that border it. The majority of the city's population are ethnic Spanish who are opposed to the idea of being ruled by Morocco. A poll conducted by Instituto Opina found that 87.9% of people from mainland Spain consider the two cities to be Spanish.
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Post  Sabot Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:34 pm

Gibralta is a prime example, LL. And they even have a Causeway to Spain. But even the Aboriginals don't want to be Spanish. So not much point in looking for support from Spain who don't actually have an Armada anymore. But we beat that one as well.
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Post  Sabot Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:37 pm


And what about Cyprus? Or Ireland if you really want to push your luck?
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Post  Lamplighter Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:39 pm

Sabot wrote:Gibralta is a prime example, LL. And they even have a Causeway to Spain. But even the Aboriginals don't want to be Spanish. So not much point in looking for support from Spain who don't actually have an Armada anymore. But we beat that one as well.
There are many other examples; Russians and Japanese disputing some uninhabited rocky islands in the Sakhalin Sea, the Chinese and S Koreans squabbling over some outcrops in, I think, the South China Sea. Many more examples of old colonial acquisitions. LL
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Post  bb1 Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:39 pm

They would all be well advised to stop sabre rattling. Until the day when the locals in these enclaves democratically VOTE for change, there's no justification for their grandstanding.
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Post  Lamplighter Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:42 pm

bb1 wrote:They would all be well advised to stop sabre rattling. Until the day when the locals in these enclaves democratically VOTE for change, there's no justification for their grandstanding.
They are all at it, China still claims Taiwan as part of China after, as far as I remember, 70 years or thereabouts. Every so often, especially when there are internal problems, some country will bring territorial claims to steer people away from unpleasant facts at home. LL
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Post  Sabot Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:52 pm

bb1 wrote:They would all be well advised to stop sabre rattling. Until the day when the locals in these enclaves democratically VOTE for change, there's no justification for their grandstanding.

She won't start another War, Bonny. That's for sure. None of those to whom she might look for assistance are going to help because they have enough problems of a similar nature of their own.

A bunch of Argentinian Scrap Metal Dealers on South Gorgia were expelled. How dare they clutter up Antarctica with their ghastly rubbish. It's a protected wild life area.
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