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Post  Sabot Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:35 pm

bb1 wrote:Bear in mind, it wasn't released, as much as quoted, Sabot, in a sort of show-off, I know something you don't, look how important we are, way.

Which was, IMO, a supremely foolish thing to do. People may have been guessing and speculating idly about what -and who - was behind this hoax; no-one expected to get that handed over on a plate.

The police should be given the ENTIRE email, or exchange of emails, without editing, or 'interpretations'.

Oddly, CSI Pete was rather blase about the whole business of Birch and his film crew trespassing. I am sure that is just a coincidence.

He's probably wishing that he and Pat Brown had gone in there with their Metal Detector, Bonny, looking for the metal rings on The Blue Bag. Especially if he knew about the Email.
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Post  bb1 Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:37 pm

Let us not forget who else this 'South African investigator' emailed:

Madeleine Mc Cann is dead, she is buried in the yard of Robert Murat, about
3 meters off the back boundry wall.

At the time, and maybe even now, THE MURATS DO NOT KNOW SHE IS THERE.

I believe that ******* ********* could have placed her in the yard, but he was not responsible for her death. He was only doing someone a favour.

I emailled Amaral, and told him the above, adding, " I BELIEVE THAT YOU MAY ALSO FIND A MISSING TENNIS / SPORTS BAG BURIED WITH HER".


So, the two people with most to gain from smearing Robert Murat and the McCanns have been sitting on this for over a year, until this week's events.
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Post  lily Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:38 pm

Don't know what he's going to say, Sabot but if he has anything to do with this, then he's got a few problems? Pcorneater

Oh Pete is a cool dude, Bonny. He's not sweating it - it must be a coincidence. biggrin
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Post  bb1 Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:40 pm

He's probably wishing that he and Pat Brown had gone in there with their Metal Detector, Bonny, looking for the metal rings on The Blue Bag. Especially if he knew about the Email.

Brown has surfaced today with some pitchforking rubbish in which she pretends to be Sherlock Holmes.

Reis is also stirring the pot.

I am sure this is all just a very big coincidence.

No, it struck me as odd that a supposed ex-policeman would be so blase about Birch's actions, as well as seeming to know about Portuguese law on the subject.

I am sure it is just a coincidence.
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Post  lily Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:45 pm

And Morais is absent from this development. Pcorneater
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Post  bb1 Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:49 pm

Probably just another coincidence, Lily. I mean, it isn't very likely she knew this was being cooked up, and disapproved, is it?

Just like it will be just another coincidence that that lunatic Textusa started on Murat a few days ago. Lots of coincidences around just now. Pcorneater
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Post  bb1 Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:13 pm

Oh look, here's another coincidence!

Re: Investigator ensures that Maddie's body in the backyard of Murat
Woofer Today


sweetex wrote:
He was on Capetalk today here in SA.

http://soundcloud.com/567-capetalk/stephen-birch-on-claims-he

Only saw the link now on twitter. New interview with Birch




Note he says he started this investigation 15 months ago which, again, ties in with when the anonymous e mail was received by Sharoni (March 2011).

He says he heard back from SY saying they spent all day last Monday discussing it. So I wonder when he informed SY, was it at the end of the week before? - must have been around the same time SM was in contact with them on the Thursday or Friday.


Fancy this South African 'investigator' starting his...investigation at the same time as a South African 'investigator' was emailing the Hounders and Amaral!


Small world, isn't it?
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Post  Sabot Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:33 pm


So where does Amaral sit in all of this? He was informed 15 months ago. He says it's not possible, but he would say that because it blows his theories right out of the water. All that garbage about Expert Detectives knowing when bodies have been frozen, and the 100% DNA match. Plus a whole load more rubbish.
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Post  crazytony Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:23 am

bb1 wrote:HOUNDERS AND AMARAL PREVIOUSLY IN CONTACT WITH 'SOUTH AFRICAN' MAKING ALLEGATIONS ABOUT MURAT'S GARDEN - Page 2 Hoaxhounders
That does it!!!! mad

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Post  crazytony Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:27 am

lily wrote:A strange thing this, and I am not alone, I cannot find any mention of Stephen Birch's business on the internet except a linkedin entry. Why not?

Sabot, he did say that. We were furious about it all - we had the posts on our old forum.

Bennett stated, if I recall correctly, something about some of it coming from psychics. Funny that sharonl is now backtracking about that very topic.

So, he either got this e-mail and he did nothing about it or it is bogus. No doubt the smoke will clear soon?

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Post  lily Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:35 am

Thank you Tony. thumbsup

So what we are currently seeing is what has er 'crystallized'?

What a bunch of meddling ******!!!! mad mad mad mad
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Post  Pedro Silva Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:49 am

the stupidity continues:

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/exclusivo-cm/elite-da-policia-inglesa-aposta-em-nova-pista

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Maddie: Investigator says he has evidence that PJ failed
Elite police English bets on new track

British police has been convened to examine the evidence of South African researcher, who says he knows where the body of Maddie. A story to read on the CM.

July 6, 2012

The Scotland Yard's elite British police which has 37 researchers working on tracks that appear on the disappearance of Maddie, was gathered yesterday afternoon to discuss the case, confirmed the MC - including data gathered by South Africa in the Stephen Birch Praia da Luz The businessman, who did the research with a geo-radar in the yard of Robert Murat, believed to be there "buried the body of Maddie" - "a portion of land" that have escaped the search of the Judiciary.

"I have photographic evidence, the comparison between May 2007 [when Maddie disappeared three days, and PJ raided the house and yard Murat, 14] and October this year, as the PJ inspectors failed searches in a portion terrain "-" on the passage of cement that was built there after the disappearance of the child, "says Stephen Birch, one of the emails you send to Scotland Yard and the PJ itself.

Birch, as the CM advanced yesterday, stormed the yard of Murat for four times in the morning, last June, and a geo-radar machine has detected the presence of a human or animal "about 60 inches below the soil" . "I am fully convinced that it is Madeleine who is buried there," he says, asking the police to do a search that particular place - and that, however, watch the ground for anyone to make changes.

PJ, if you decide to promote some due diligence in this regard, however you must request the opening of the case, filed by prosecutors.

Said Birch, who extensively studied the process: "The hole was dug in the back of the house from 21:00 to 21h20 [May 3]. The child was buried from 22.05 to 22.15. At 22:20, the McCanns were seen outside the property Murat, "since after Kate, mother of the child, has given warning of the disappearance. The businessman, a passionate case for a year, not without evidence, accused Kate and Gerry, but refers to the connection that exists between said Maddie's father and a British businessman, who was in Praia da Luz holiday.

For Birch, M.J.S. is "a suspicious figure" until the face like a portrait-robot made by the woman who says she saw a man go from child in her arms that night, towards the land of Murat.

SUSPECT THE SAME PORTRAIT-ROBOT

In one of the emails sent to PJ, Stephen Birch says that one of their suspects - MJS - Is equal to the portrait-robot made at the time. "Compare the photo of his passport with the picture. Is he a beard and mustache."

Jane, a friend of the McCanns, said at the time surveyors of the Judiciary that about 21:15 the day of the May 3, 2007 had seen a man with a child in pajamas on her lap. It was through his description that the portrait was done.

BRITISH PRESS PAYS 600 THOUSAND POUNDS

Robert Murat, who came to declare that the Maddie case and that ruined it was the "scapegoat" because the police needed to show results, saw his life when re received 600,000 pounds (750,000 euros at the exchange rate current) for compensation of the English press, which had sued for libel. The payment resulted from an agreement, July 17, 2008, between Murat and four British media groups, who also apologized in the High Court in London. And on July 21, the case was filed in Portugal, which at the time said his lawyer, Francisco Pagarete, was "the end of a long nightmare of more than 14 months, so he and his family."

Since then, Murat, 38, made in the redevelopment of Villa Luz, married a Luso-British and the U.S. was on honeymoon, and your current comfort material known in the locality.
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Post  Pedro Silva Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:51 am

Both Porto PJ, Scotland Yard, knows that both Murat, McCanns, or vice-versa are completely innocent.

Both police forces don´t give credibilty to birch´s unproven, unlikely theories.

In my opinion, Correio da Manhã / CDM is again speculate, with unproven theories with the purpose of sell newspapers, again

fame wanted by birch and CDM is giving him fame, which adds also the purpose of sell newspapers.

this is despicable.


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Post  Pedro Silva Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:52 am

something in here stinks, and it´s from birch´s insane / unproven theories.

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Post  Pedro Silva Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:53 am

I´m sick / fed up of people like birch, who says only crap, with the purpose of gain fame, through lies,
smears, defamation, at the expenses of innocents. Fame for birch is what only matters.
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Post  Sabot Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:21 am


So he is tying in the Jane Tanner sighting, and saying that this sighting was a friend of The McCanns who took Madeleine around to the back of the house, dug a hole and buried her between 9 pm and 10.15 pm, and that The McCanns were seen there at 10.20 pm. Really?

And what are the chances of two South African Investigators, 15 months apart, coming up with precisely the same location for Madeleine's body? If what The Bennett Sickos say is true about the Email they received.
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Post  bb1 Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:25 am

Agree, Pedro. This is absolute sh*t.

"The hole was dug in the back of the house from 21:00 to 21h20 [May 3]. The child was buried from 22.05 to 22.15.

That crap reminds me of the garbage that WUM Doc Quack used to churn out. Oddly enough, that fake was in SA.

I am sure it is another of those coincidences.....

This creature Birch would do well to remember just how much Robert Murat got in damages the last time.

I suggest we are all careful what we say about this, because Birch IS libelling both Robert Murat and the McCanns now.
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Post  lily Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:26 am

Pedro, you are right. Look how many people have attached themselves to this case because they wanted the attention?

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Post  crazytony Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:27 am

bb1 wrote:Agree, Pedro. This is absolute sh*t.

"The hole was dug in the back of the house from 21:00 to 21h20 [May 3]. The child was buried from 22.05 to 22.15.

That crap reminds me of the garbage that WUM Doc Quack used to churn out. Oddly enough, that fake was in SA.

I am sure it is another of those coincidences.....

This creature Birch would do well to remember just how much Robert Murat got in damages the last time.

I suggest we are all careful what we say about this, because Birch IS libelling both Robert Murat and the McCanns now.
They have lost their damned minds!

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Post  Pedro Silva Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:30 am

ok bb1: "I suggest we are all careful what we say about this, because Birch IS libelling both Robert Murat and the McCanns now."

but, don´t expect me being pleased with this, because I´m very angry.

Yes, you´re right lily.


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Post  Pedro Silva Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:39 am

I´m not going to give more antenna time to birch, he is not important.
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Post  bb1 Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:41 am

They certainly have, Tony - Bennett's lot have now picked the name of an innocent bystander out of thin air and are naming him speculating that he - according to sickos like them - did the digging.

The lawyers are going to have a field day over this bullsh*t.

The forkers are actually enjoying this, with foul remarks about how Murat's garden should be instantly and the McCanns charged for the expense.

Other haters are enjoying themselves discussing lime as a preservative.

They have proved conclusively - not that there ever was any doubt - that they are pond life, and that they hate Madeleine McCann every bit as much as they hate her parents.
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Post  Pedro Silva Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:42 am

What really matters here is to find Madeleine, to bring her home safe and sound.
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Post  bb1 Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:45 am

And this has been done, deliberately, IMO, by someone who appears to have been in touch previously with the very people who continually push the LIE that Madeleine is dead, and her parents were involved, Pedro.

This Birch creature seems to have been in touch with the very people who keep trying to derail the work of Porto PJ and Scotland Yard.

You can be pretty sure the REAL police - as opposed to the internet lynch mob - know all about Birch and his contacts by now.

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Post  Maggs Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:52 am

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So Bennett had that email 2 years ago?, and this has only just come out.
Not the brightest bulb in the box, is he?

Oh roll on September, is all I can say wker

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