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Post  bb1 Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:28 pm

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Operation Grange - second ILOR


We can confirm that a second International Letter of Request (ILOR) has been sent to the Portuguese authorities by the Crown Prosecution Services this week (week commencing 6 January) in connection with Operation Grange.
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Post  bb1 Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:09 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10563621/Madeleine-McCann-Scotland-Yard-requests-more-help-from-Portugal.html

Madeleine McCann: Scotland Yard requests more help from Portugal
A second "International Letter of Request" asking for assistance has been sent to the Portuguese authorities on behalf of the Metropolitan Police detectives investigating Madeleine's disappearance

By Sam Marsden1:30PM GMT 10 Jan 2014
Scotland Yard detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have formally asked Portugal for more help with their inquiry.
Police refused to give any details about the nature of the assistance being sought, but the move appears to suggest that fresh suspects or promising new lines have been identified.
The Crown Prosecution Service sent a second “International Letter of Request” to the Portuguese authorities on behalf of the Metropolitan Police this week.
The first letter asking for help was submitted to Portugal as Scotland Yard announced it was launching a full investigation into the case, codenamed Operation Grange, in July last year.
Over the summer British detectives sent further International Letters of Request to 30 other countries, most of them in Europe.

The requests relate to persons of interest and unidentified mobile phone numbers that were recorded in Praia da Luz in southern Portugal around the time that Madeleine, then aged three, went missing from her family’s holiday flat on May 3, 2007.
Because British police have no jurisdiction to operate overseas, they must ask their counterparts in other countries to carry out investigative work and interview suspects on their behalf.
Under European Union rules, member states are expected to comply with requests like these made under Mutual Legal Assistance Treaties.
Portugal’s attorney general announced in October that his country’s investigative Policia Judiciaria had reopened their inquiry into Madeleine’s disappearance after receiving new evidence.
A Metropolitan Police spokesman said on Friday: “We can confirm that a second International Letter of Request has been sent to the Portuguese authorities by the Crown Prosecution Services this week in connection with Operation Grange.”


The requests relate to persons of interest and unidentified mobile phone numbers

Looks like Heri's on the right lines. Stand by for more carpet-chewing from the Gonzo fan club - it's a wonder they have any teeth left, they've been so enraged this week.
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Post  lily Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:26 pm

Well done Heri.  hug 
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Post  lily Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:28 pm

I wonder what would have happened if a team like Redwood's had been on the case from the start.

Poor Madeleine. She really did draw the short straw.  Crying or Very sad 
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Post  bb1 Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:35 pm

Or Rebelo. Or just about anyone other than an oaf that was already under a cloud over another missing child. Who decided within hours that the McCanns were guilty and proceeded to smear, leak, and try to make evidence fit his totally wrong beliefs.

Oh, and didn't bother to do basic police work like checking night creche records.
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Post  lily Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:47 pm

That's why you can't take any of Gonc's supporters seriously at all.

They overlook the elephant in the room. The investigation under Gonc.

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Post  Pedro Silva Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:37 pm

well done Heri, keep up the good work.
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Post  Sabot Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:22 pm

The Justice Forum tried quite hard to ignore Heri in the beginning, while all the time they had a real expert as a member. I kicked in by asking people to at least listen to him.
Okay, blowing my own trumpet. Or Heri's if you like.

I think this new letter is concerning a British Citizen who no longer resides in Portugal. But any evidence against such a person must be correctly gathered. Otherwise it will be thrown out by any half decent Defence Lawyer. And believe me, this has been done before.

But I no longer expect anyone to take any notice of what I have to say, despite my knowledge of the concept of The Law being greater than most of the hoi polloi.

I expect that it is an ego thing with me. But I do know what I am talking about. Otherwise I tend to keep my mouth shut.
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Post  lily Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:25 pm

We take notice of you Sabot.  hug 

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Post  bb1 Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:45 pm

Not directly relevant, but for Gonzo fanboyz like emu who imagine there is only 'petty crime' in Portugal:

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/gang-armado-assaltava-casas-no-norte

Armed gang stormed houses in the North
Trio arrested for Judicial Braga stole thousands of euros in Barcelos, Maia and Gauteng

Guided by an antiquarian of Porto, a group stormed homes of affluent seniors, the municipalities of Barcelos, Maia and Gauteng. Mounted surveillance and preparing armed robberies in detail. Attacked with violence when the victims were defenseless. Part of the group was arrested in September and PJ Braga yesterday arrested three other members, one of them seizing a shotgun. The three men, construction workers, aged between 30 and 34 years, residing in the parishes of Paranhos Ramalde and Campanha, in Porto. Before the Court of Barcelos, one will await trial under house arrest. At the close of this edition measures of coercion of the two cohorts were unknown. 's group of six men who believe PJ, working under the guidance of antiquarian 45, was responsible for at least four robberies occurred between the months of April and September 2012 in houses located in areas of Barcelos, Maia and Gauteng. Entered in homes with shotguns and rifles to force victims to hand over cash, artworks and objects in gold and silver. Seized hundreds of thousands of euros.


Armed gangs staging home invasions to attack and rob the elderly? The haters need to take a reality check.
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Post  Sabot Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:11 pm

lily wrote:We take notice of you Sabot.   hug 


Thanks, Lily. But it doesn't really matter. I think that I am just admitting to an ego thing.
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Post  bb1 Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:24 pm

I have no theories about who the Yard/PJ are interested in, though I do tend to agree with Heri's line of thinking.

However, if any of the assorted haters, forkers, hounders and general lynchmobbers are still kidding themselves that:

The Yard is getting ready to pounce! on the McCanns

The Yard is playing a Long Game cos slowly slowly catchee monkey

The Fund is being investigated cos Follow the Money

Goncalol has an Ace up his sleeve


then they really should seek help from a mental health professional.

Whatever trail it is the Yard are following, whoever it is they are interested in, that person is in Portugal.

Have the haters all forgotten that the PJ made it clear, on Portuguese TV, when the case was reopened by them, that the McCanns are NOT suspects in Portugal - or anywhere else? Or do they think Gonc's chums Claudia and FSoares made that up?
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Post  bb1 Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:56 pm

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01-10/madeleine-cops-formally-request-portuguese-help/

UK Madeleine cops formally request Portuguese help
Last updated Fri 10 Jan 2014

British detectives have formally requested help from Portuguese authorities as part of their investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

It is believed investigators from Scotland Yard want police in Portugal to question three burglars operating in the resort where the McCanns were staying at the time of her disappearance in 2007.
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Post  Sabot Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:33 pm

Great stuff. Whats new?
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Post  lily Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:37 pm

bb1 wrote:http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01-10/madeleine-cops-formally-request-portuguese-help/

UK Madeleine cops formally request Portuguese help
Last updated Fri 10 Jan 2014

British detectives have formally requested help from Portuguese authorities as part of their investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

It is believed investigators from Scotland Yard want police in Portugal to question three burglars operating in the resort where the McCanns were staying at the time of her disappearance in 2007.

Let's hope that they are interviewed as quickly as possible if only to eliminate them. Hopefully, they know something substantial.
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Post  bb1 Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:53 pm

Indeed.

Amoral must bitterly regret stalling the libel trial for so long; the little chance he ever had of hanging onto his Lucky Shirt is slipping further away with every passing day.
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Post  lily Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:00 am

I bet he didn't think any of this was going to turn around and bite him on his ass.  Pcorneater 
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Post  bb1 Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:03 am

Oh dear.....

Re: Scotland Yard requests more help from Portugal - The Telegraph
Post Panda Yesterday

I understood that SY were doing their investigstion and OPORTO tucked away doing theirs , judging by the nonsense we have received so far from SY, what is in the letter of request they have sent? Could it be for Portugal to request extradition from another Country the extradition back to Portugal of a possible suspect that SY have unearthed???


Don't be so bl**dy stupid. The Yard can't operate in Portugal without the assistance of the PJ. Whoever or whatever it is they are after is in PORTUGAL.

Wake up and smell the coffee!
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Post  bb1 Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:07 am

JCL's done something useful for a change and posted an entire Times report on the matter:

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic21675.html?sid=0240d7448b1d95adecbf3869efa43f54

The Times

Madelaine McCann: three prime suspects identified


Graham Keeley Madrid
Published 1 minute ago [10-01-14]

Scotland Yard detectives investigating the abduction of Madeleine McCann last night formally requested help from the Portuguese authorities after British detectives identified three prime suspects.

In a significant move, the Crown Prosecution Service sent an International Letter of Request to Portuguese authorities.

The Scotland Yard investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine has revealed a gang of burglars were operating near to where she was abducted in May 2007.

Analysis of mobile phone calls indicates three men made a large number of telephone calls to each in the hours after Madeleine was reported missing from her holiday flat in the Algarve.

Days before Madeleine’s disappearance, the gang carried out a bungled burglary of another holiday flat in the Praia da Luz resort, disturbing a child.The child’s parents interrupted the burglars who fled.

However, Portuguese police attached no significance to the burglary when they were investigating the disappearance of Madeleine. Scotland Yard detectives described this oversight as a “disgrace”.

British detectives believe the same burglars may have raided the flat where Madeleine was staying and woken her up by mistake. In the panic, they might have taken her away with them.

Following the breakthrough by Scotland Yard, discussions have been under way about the possibility of arresting the burglars and searching their homes.

However, until now Scotland Yard has not been able to arrest the men because they need the agreement of Portuguese authorities, who have been reluctant to agree to a joint investigation.

None of the burglars is British so Scotland Yard officers cannot act without the agreement of the Portuguese. Sensitive diplomatic discussions are under way to try to secure this agreement so British detectives can be based in Portugal.

Portuguese police have said their prime suspect for Madeleine’s abduction is a 40-year-old former employee at the resort where the McCann’s stayed at who later died in a tractor accident. However, British detectives have privately dismissed the theory.



http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article3971993.ece


until now Scotland Yard has not been able to arrest the men because they need the agreement of Portuguese authorities
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Post  Pedro Silva Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:12 pm

My friends, this was taken from Correio da Manhã newspaper:

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/caso-maddie-ingleses-pedem-ajuda

Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Case 'Maddie': British ask for help

Maddie' disappeared in 2007.

British police sent another letter rogatory to the Portuguese authorities with a request for assistance, to clarify some lines of investigation in the disappearance of 'Maddie', the May 3, 2007, in Praia da Luz, Algarve.

A team of investigators purposely formed to ascertain the details of the disappearance of British girl who tries to PJ help clarify some points of the investigation, or even listening to "persons of interest" in the case, whether any witnesses or suspects.

The news is advanced by the English newspaper 'Telegraph', but Scotland Yard - who formed a team of 30 detectives dedicated exclusively to investigate this case - did not disclose the content of that letter rogatory. The PJ had received another letter from the British police in October.
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Post  bb1 Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:21 pm

Thank you, Pedro.
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Post  lily Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:41 pm

bb1 wrote:Indeed.

Amoral must bitterly regret stalling the libel trial for so long; the little chance he ever had of hanging onto his Lucky Shirt is slipping further away with every passing day.

Bonny, I think he was stunned a long time ago when events turned out the way they did.



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Post  Pedro Silva Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:14 pm

you welcome bb1.
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Post  bb1 Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:23 pm

This Star story has sent them into fresh paroxyms of rage:

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The McCann-haters really should be careful of their blood pressure. The slightest thing seems to set off an attack of Blood Boiling, wanting to damage their screens, wanting to hit someone, going GRRRRR and generally being beside themselves with fury over naff-all.

You'd think they would be pleased that the Yard seem to be on the track of the scumbag/s that abducted Madeleine McCann, but no, the very idea sets off an attack of Boiling Blood.

They're as unwell mentally as they must be physically.
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Post  lily Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:41 pm

When the police discover who the abductor was, it will mean that the forkers will have to find another outlet for their pent up rage and frustration at life. It's not fair, you understand.
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