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Post  bb1 Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:10 pm

I simply see no way Obama can square this circle, Lily. Well, he could, if he is prepared to rat out the 'nice rebels' but a U-turn like that carries its own dangers.
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Post  lily Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:45 pm

He will probably ignore it then.....
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Post  bb1 Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:50 am

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/21/plan-to-aid-iraq-army-against-militants-was-understaffed-marked-by-distrust/

A secret plan to aid the Iraqi army in its fight against Al Qaeda-aligned Sunni Muslim militants was authorized by President Barack Obama late last year, but was handicapped by a lack of resources and mistrust over Iran's influence on the government of Iraq Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, according to a published report.

According to the Wall Street Journal, the White House initially devoted only a small group of specialists to the task of gathering intelligence on the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS). A senior U.S. official told the paper that the plan ""wasn't a priority and nobody thought it was a serious effort."


Are we supposed to believe that it didn't occur to a single one of these geniuses in the misnamed 'military intelligence' that the dumbest thing of all was allowing them to build a rallying point in Syria?

And even worse, arming and training them in the hope of overthrowing Assad in a proxy war?

I struggle to have any sympathy for the US or the UK governments over this. If they had had their way, then Syria would have been bombed flat to aid the very group that is now over-running Iraq.

My sympathies are reserved for the ordinary citizens, whatever their faith, who as usual are paying the price of western scheming.

If Obama wants to bomb anyone, why isn't he bombing Saudi Arabia? They've been bankrolling terrorists for years; most of the 9/11 Saudis were Saudis. Why does Obama bow to the Saudi king, when Saudi has an appalling human rights record? Surely he should be organising a bit of regime change there?
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Post  bb1 Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:06 pm

No mainstream sources for this:

http://www.debka.com/newsupdate/8615/

Putin promises Iraqi prime minister arms against jihadis
DEBKAfile June 21, 2014, 1:01 PM (IDT)
In a telephone conversation Friday, President Vladimir Putin promised Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki Russia’s full support for his efforts to free Iraqi territory from jihadist terrorist hands as quickly as possible. Putin is reported by Baghdad sources to have promised urgent military supplies including helicopters, armored vehicles and ammunition for heavy weapons. President Obama this week agreed only to send US 300 military advisers to help Baghdad.


If it's true, at least ISIS won't be able to drive any Russian equipment they capture, as they've been trained on US equipment. By America when they were being feted as the 'nice rebels'.
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Post  bb1 Sat Jun 21, 2014 2:18 pm

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Post  lily Sat Jun 21, 2014 3:22 pm

For a change today, major sigh.
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Post  bb1 Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:46 pm

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/20/dsouza-argues-obama-is-more-dangerous-than-jimmy-carter/#

That's quite an interesting piece on the difference between Obama and Jimmy Carter.
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Post  lily Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:03 pm

Yes it is Bonny. Some very big differences at that. Obama has the globalist view?
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Post  bb1 Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:14 pm

Well....it's what's being picked up on, especially in comments. Disaster though he was as president, no-one ever doubted that Carter loved his country - he'd had a successful Navy career for a start. No-one ever accused him of working against US interests.

And his charity foundation does fantastic work.

Obama's a different kettle of fish entirely, there's a malice to him, and it seems to be directed against America?
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Post  lily Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:22 pm

Yes, Bonny. Unfortunately that is something very, very unsettling about him.
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Post  bb1 Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:11 am

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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/06/22/iraqi-insurgents-capture-fourth-town-since-friday/

Sunni Muslim insurgents in Iraq captured their fourth town in a little more than 24 hours late Saturday, hours before U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in the Middle East to try to shore up Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's faltering government.

Iraqi officials told the Associated Press that the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) captured the town of Rutba in the western province of Anbar, about 90 miles east of Iraq's border with Jordan. However, AP reported that residents were trying to negotiate with the militants to leave due to the presence of an army unit that threatened to begin shelling.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media.

Rutba is the fourth Anbar town to fall to ISIS fighters and allied Sunni militants since Friday, dealing a serious blow to Shiite Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's government.

The other three are Qaim, Rawah and Anah, as well as a border crossing with Syria. The towns are the first territory seized in the predominantly Sunni province west of Baghdad since ISIS overran the city of Fallujah and parts of the provincial capital of Ramadi earlier this year.


As Kerry's gone to 'help', don't be surprised if there are black Snackbar flags flying over Baghdad by Tuesday, with Saddam's deputy back in charge, and Comical Ali handing out press releases.

And like the last two Iraq wars, the American taxpayer will be footing the bill for the whole lot.


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Post  bb1 Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:26 am

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/22/kerry-scrambles-to-shore-up-faltering-iraqi-state-on-middle-east-swing/

Kerry landed in Cairo, Egypt on Sunday afternoon amid heavy security and was openly ambivalent about whether the Iraqi government led by Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, a Shi'ite, will institute the rapid political changes the U.S. says are necessary for the Iraqi state to survive against the advancing Sunni terrorist group ISIS -- the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria -- which has recently seized control of major Iraqi cities.

A senior State Department official said late Saturday that in addition to pressing Maliki to move expeditiously to form a new government, one that demonstrates inclusiveness toward Shi'ite, Sunni, and Kurdish citizens alike, the secretary of state will also lobby other Arab allies in the Gulf to choke off regional financing for ISIS.

"A lot of the funding and support that has over a long period of time fueled extremism inside Iraq has flowed into Iraq from its neighbors," said the aide, briefing reporters aboard the secretary's plane en route to a refueling stop in Ireland.

"And that does not mean that it's the result of an official government policy in many, if not most, cases. But it does mean that some of these governments can do more to stop some of that facilitation."



Anyone that thinks Obama is going to tell his allies in Saudi and Qatar to stop funding terrorists needs their head examined.

They also need their heads examined if they think any of the factions that have been fighting for hundreds of years are going to hold hands and sing Kumbaya because Obama tells them to.

Best thing Obama could do would be to back a secular hardman that will shoot anyone that endangers the state....oh wait...........
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Post  bb1 Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:13 pm

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/06/kerry-lands-egypt-talks-with-sisi-20146228375033836.html

US Secretary of State John Kerry has arrived in Cairo to meet Egypt's President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, in what is the highest-level American outreach to the new leader since he took office.

Kerry's visit on Sunday was part of American attempts to thaw relations with Egypt that cooled over concerns Cairo has conducted sham trials, imprisoned journalists and violently cracked down on political opponents.

US officials said they hoped Egypt's weak economy and shaky security would prompt Sisi to embrace more moderate policies.


Let's hope Sisi (as opposed to ISIS) tells Kerry to naff off and keep his nose out of northern Africa and the Middle East, as it is US meddling that is responsible for most of the chaos.

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Post  bb1 Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:44 pm

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http://news.sky.com/story/1287226/iraqi-troops-withdraw-in-face-of-isis-offensive

Iraqi Troops 'Withdraw' In Face Of ISIS Offensive
Government troops lay down their weapons and leave as ISIS fighters move into four towns in Anbra province, reports say.

Islamist militants have captured four towns in western Iraq, according to Sky sources.

Haditha, Anah, Rawa, Rotba - along with a number of villages- were taken as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) swept east from the Syrian border, where it captured a border crossing on Saturday, in its latest offensive.

Speaking from Baghdad, Sky's Foreign Affairs Editor Sam Kiley said: "This offensive coming from the west is very significant as it appears the Iraqi army has folded-up without a fight.

"These are major strategic prizes, not necessarily big towns but all of them on the main route to Syria and on the Euphrates river.
"The big prize appears to be Haditha. There are conflicting reports whether it has fallen, but its collapse looks imminent.

"It contains a very important power-generating plant for Baghdad. If you combine that with the shut down of supply from the main oil refinery and power stations in Baiji, you can see the ISIS have a tactic of putting the squeeze on power supplies to Baghdad.

"That will further weaken the extremely fragile position of Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki who is getting criticism from all sides and seems incapable of mustering any spirit in his army or making any political concessions that could shore up support among his critics."

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Post  bb1 Sun Jun 22, 2014 5:11 pm

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http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/16/world/meast/iraq-sria-foreign-legion-jihad-threat-to-west/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

UK police say they made 40 arrests for Syria-related offences in the first three months of this year, almost double the number of the entire previous year.
Richard Walton, head of Scotland Yard's counter-terrorism command, warned last year there were signs these recruits could be turned around to launch attacks in the UK. "I don't think the public realizes the seriousness of the problem," he said. "The penny hasn't dropped. But Syria is a game-changer."


No, fool, the British public knew from the minute Hague and Cameron started their crap about bombing Syria, and calling the Snackbars 'freedom fighters', that it was a recipe for disaster.

The penny dropped with the public long ago. Pity it didn't with the government, security services, supposed military intelligence, etc.

NONE of the establishment in the UK or US can be trusted to clean out a budgie cage.
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Post  Sabot Sun Jun 22, 2014 5:33 pm

Perhaps they'd like to come and clean out George's cage. He could teach them a thing or two about counter intelligence.
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Post  bb1 Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:02 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/22/in-middle-east-kerry-urges-us-allies-to-unite-against-terror-spillover-in-iraq/

Secretary of State John Kerry told Egyptian leaders Sunday that the terrorism and extremism occurring now in Iraq is “the greatest threat to the region” and urged neighboring Middle East countries to work together to stop the “spillover effect.”

“The greatest threat to all of this region … is these terrorists,” Kerry said at a press conference in Cairo after meeting with newly-elected President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi. “No country is safe from that kind of terror."


No sh*t, Sherlock. Washington should have thought of all this before meddling in so many nations and overthrowing their governments, shouldn't it?

It must really rankle that the Egyptian army threw Obama's pet in jail, along with his MB chums, and that Assad is hanging on.

Kerry's as deluded as he's corrupt if he thinks that ANYONE, except possibly Cameron and the Chocolate President, has the slightest bit of respect for him and his cronies. I saw someone refer to him as the Ketchup Gigolo, which is perfect for the serial liar.
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Please note, that is the same 'jihadi' that Cameron and Hague were all set to have the British army support not long ago.

Sickening hypocrisy, now it dawns on them what they've done.
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Post  bb1 Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:57 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27968963

The security services will not be able to monitor all of the Britons who return to the country after fighting in Syria, the former MI6 director of global counter-terrorism has said.

Richard Barrett said there could be as many as 500 Britons fighting in Syria.

He said those who represent a terrorist threat on their return would be a "very small" but unpredictable number.

His comments came after an apparent recruitment video for jihadists in Iraq and Syria featured several Britons.

Mr Barrett told the BBC News Channel it was "out of the question" for the security services to follow all of the Britons who have fought in Syria if and when they return.

"Clearly they'll have to prioritise and they'll have to choose those that they think are likely to pose the greatest risk.

Aseel Muthana
Aseel Muthana, 17, is also said to have travelled to Syria
"Beyond that I think they'll have to rely very much on members of the community and other people expressing their concern and worry about the behaviour of perhaps their returned friend or family member, rather than trying themselves to sift through all those people and decide which ones to have a good look at and which ones to ignore."


Here's a simpler idea.

DON'T LET THEM BACK IN THE COUNTRY.
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Post  Sabot Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:20 am

Can't they just flag up Syria at the airports? Or is that too much like hard work.

They don't have any bother checking for Alcohol and Cigarettes on people retuning from Europe.
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Post  bb1 Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:34 am

Yuman Rites, Sabot. If they claim they've been doing 'humanitarian work' then how very dare anyone doubt them?
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Post  Sabot Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:39 am

Aren't they allowed to ask? If not then on their heads be it. Holy hell will break loose if anything happens.
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Post  bb1 Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:52 am

Two letters, Sabot. EU.

Canada and Australia have both said, You go, you don't get back, but Cameron is too wet to do the glaringly obvious to protect this ISLAND and risk offending the EU Human Rights squad.
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Post  Sabot Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:11 am

It all sounds like Treason to me.

But never mind, one of them will blow up something or someone. Not that this will make a difference to their Human Rights.
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