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Reads to me like Ecuador just blinked, LL. It may have been the prospect of Assange's threat promise to address his adoring fans from their embassy balcony tomorrow, like some albino Aussie Evita.
I thought similar, Bonny. As a matter of fact, I wondered if this would inspire someone to write Assangel, the Musical?
I have just watched the Guardian's Michael White on BBC World News' Dateline London; he says he personally has never met assange but the reports he has received from others who have are in the main less than flattering or complimentary. His own observations of the events have led him to feel that assange is a con man (I can't remember his exact words).
That is very interesting, LL considering that the Guardian really championed him at the start of his exploits - and even sexploits.
I thought similar, Bonny. As a matter of fact, I wondered if this would inspire someone to write Assangel, the Musical?
I have just watched the Guardian's Michael White on BBC World News' Dateline London; he says he personally has never met assange but the reports he has received from others who have are in the main less than flattering or complimentary. His own observations of the events have led him to feel that assange is a con man (I can't remember his exact words).
That is very interesting, LL considering that the Guardian really championed him at the start of his exploits - and even sexploits.
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Morning Lily! Michael White is often at loggerheads with the Guardian line of the day. He's a very astute newsman; he was pressed by Gavin Esler about assange but refused to say any more other than his comments re his feelings about him. LL
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An interesting and well-written take on the present stalemate. LL
DIPLOMATIC ASYLUM IS NOT UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED AS PART OF CUSTOMARY INTERNATIONAL LAW
AUGUST 17, 2012 | BY KNEWS
The idea of spectacular and spine-chilling entry into the grounds of a foreign embassy by someone seeking refuge in a foreign embassy is the stuff of movies. And there have been many movies in which heroes and heroines are being chased by both official and unofficial persons and who manage to make their way into the foreign embassy and therefore towards freedom.
Such is the stuff of movies; reality is a little different. Ever since the late 1980’s when shots were allegedly fired from inside the Libyan embassy, the idea that foreign embassies are extra-territorial sovereign territories has long gone through the window.
If the Ecuadorians have not yet realized this, they soon will. They are holding tightly to the idea that any invasion of their embassy in London is tantamount to an act of aggression against their country, a violation of their sovereignty under the Vienna Convention and a breach of customary international law.
The Ecuadorians now find themselves at the center of a major diplomatic spat between themselves and the British Foreign Office. The British Foreign Secretary had made it clear that Britain has a binding obligation to extradite Julian Assange to Sweden where he is wanted for questioning into sexual assault allegations.
Assange sought asylum in the Ecuadorian embassy after having lost his appeal to overturn an order for him to be extradited to Sweden. That country is a member of the European Union and therefore the authorities in London are legally bound to ensure that Assange is extradited.
Obviously, the decision of the Ecuadorian left wing government to grant him political asylum complicates this arrangement. If the asylum was granted in another foreign country or in Ecuador itself there would not have been a problem but the problem arises precisely because Assange is holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London and the authorities are at the embassy’s doorsteps waiting to arrest him as soon as he leaves.
The Ecuadorians feel that he should not be arrested because he has been granted asylum. The British on the other hand indicate that they do not recognize the principle of diplomatic asylum.
This principle as has been reported is not universally acknowledged as being part of customary international law. Because it is hinged on the principle of extraterritoriality of the foreign embassy premises, it is not likely to find traction with the British because Assange had exhausted his appeals and was not being prosecuted in Britain.
The Ecuadorians have indicated that their decision to grant him asylum was invoked because of the risk of him being deported eventually to the United States where he could face the death penalty. However Britain is saying that the present dispute has nothing to do with the United States but with Britain’s obligations under its extradition laws.
Britain says it does not accept the principle of diplomatic asylum, and since that country has provisions under its law that allows it to de-recognize the special extra-territorial status of embassies in its country, there is a real diplomatic crisis brewing because to derecognize the extra-territorial status of the embassy would create unease internationally and raise other issues of international law.
But Britain has also made it clear that it will not allow Assange to leave the country. In fact it is widely speculated that he will be arrested as soon as he leaves the embassy or tries to get on a plane. Britain has said he will not be allowed safe passage.
Britain is not likely to invade or derecognize the special status of the Ecuadorian embassy. That would risk international condemnation. What it will do is to apply a great deal of pressure on the authorities in Quito.
The Ecuadorians are not going to be allowed to shuttle Assange out of Britain. This leaves them with only one other diplomatic option: to grant Assange diplomatic immunity by making him a member of the diplomatic staff. However, since these appointments have to be confirmed by the Foreign Office, this is an option that is not a realistic possibility.
As such, Ecuador’s case boils down to the degree to which diplomatic asylum is accepted as part of customary international law. There is no universal acceptance that it does.
Ecuador does not have the political muscle internationally to fend off the pressures that are going to be applied. That is unless it can gain the support of other countries particularly in Latin America.
It has had two months to obtain opinions on Assange’s request for political asylum and would have had to consider all the political ramifications. It seems that it may have missed the larger picture.
It will now have to devote a great deal of its time to try to wriggle out of this one because its case is quite honestly very weak and given its overall lack of international clout, it is not going to be easy for it to succeed in shuttling Assange out of Britain, at least not as long as its decision to grant the asylum can be argued as being in breach of the protocol of interfering in a country’s internal affairs.
http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/2012/08/17/diplomatic-asylum-is-not-universally-accepted-as-part-of-customary-international-law/
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Another excellent comment on this sorry story, and this time from a Swedish reporter. LLAfter this, Julian Assange has very few friends left in Sweden
Assange's flight from Sweden, a decent democracy, into the arms of Ecuador's megalomanic president is incomprehensible
Karin Olsson, guardian.co.uk, Thursday 16 August 2012 19.30 BST
Julian Assange's circus has pulled off another breathtaking stunt: he has won political asylum in Ecuador. Assange's flight from Sweden, a decent democracy with a largely excellent justice system, takes ever more absurd forms. After the decision of Ecuador's foreign minister, Ricardo Patiño, the Swedish Twitterverse filled with mocking jokes.
Assange has few fans left here. On the contrary, his unholy alliance with Ecuador's political leadership casts a shadow over what was, despite everything, his real achievement: to reveal shattering news through the revolutionary medium of WikiLeaks.
Patiño praised Assange as a fighter for free expression, and explained that they had to protect his human rights. But Ecuador is a country with a dreadful record when it comes to freedom of expression and of the press. Inconvenient journalists are put on trial. Private media companies may not operate freely.
President Rafael Correa is patently unable to tolerate any truths that he does not own. Reporters Without Borders has strongly and often criticised the way that media freedoms are limited in Ecuador. Assange is a plaything for the president's megalomania.
Most of the women in Sweden who dare to report experiences of sexual assault to the police, despite the exposure that this brings, will find that the case is dropped because it is her word against his, and the other evidence is slight or non-existent. That is quite probably what would happen in this case, if Assange only dared come to Sweden for questioning. There is no reason to believe the fantastic conspiracy theories which say that the women's accusations are just a way to get at Assange.
The press chief of the Swedish foreign ministry said on Thursday that the fear of Ecuador's foreign minister that Assange would be sent on to the US by the Swedes, and even be executed, are utterly groundless. Both Swedish law and Sweden's obligations under the European convention on human rights mean Assange could not be extradited to the US if he were wanted for a crime which might lead to the death penalty.
There is a Swedish extradition treaty with the US, but the process of extradition is long and very complicated. So far there is not even a charge against Assange in the US, which would be the first step in the process. We don't even know that the American justice system wants to try Assange.
Ironically enough, it would probably be easier for the Americans to get Assange from England, since the two countries are much closer to each other in many ways. But it's been a very long time since Assange did anything sensible.
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Oh God, he's going ahead with his Balcony Speech to the Rent-a-Mob outside:
http://news.sky.com/story/974310/assange-to-speak-amid-extradition-stand-off
http://news.sky.com/story/974310/assange-to-speak-amid-extradition-stand-off
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2190401/Welcome-Ecuador-Mr-Assange--worlds-biggest-banana-grower-But-hotbed-corruption-extortion-repression-says-WikiLeaks--You-really-want-live-HERE.html
Two excellent pieces there, the first wondering why on earth anyone would choose to live in a corrupt banana republic.
Personally, I would be quite happy for Assange to be dumped on the first Air Ecuador Dakota available - it's just a matter of time till their left-wing junta becomes a right-wing junta, and the generals will hand him over to the US - whether the US want him or not.
Demonstrates the hypocrisy of the 'man' nicely, though.
And a good piece by Lord Carlile:
Now, I have never met Julian Assange but someone who has described him to me as ‘strange and creepy’. For sure, not all his supporters stand by him once they know him better. The women in Sweden who have made complaints against him were once strong supporters of WikiLeaks. Now they complain he sexually violated them.
Those who say they are victims are entitled to have their complaints heard fully. Assange is entitled to and should submit himself to a fair prosecution and possible trial.
This has nothing to do with WikiLeaks. Sweden, a civilised country with admirable civil liberties, wants to follow due legal process. Assange allegedly believes in due process – therefore he should submit himself to the judgment of the Swedish court.
After all, he has taken full advantage of our legal system. Having been arrested here, he has been provided with the full panoply of the best system of judicial scrutiny in the world. He was given bail, supported by generous individuals. How they must regret his disloyalty now, as they face the loss of their savings as a result of his absconding to Ecuador’s Embassy in West London.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2190401/Welcome-Ecuador-Mr-Assange--worlds-biggest-banana-grower-But-hotbed-corruption-extortion-repression-says-WikiLeaks--You-really-want-live-HERE.html#ixzz23z7Nrz00
Two excellent pieces there, the first wondering why on earth anyone would choose to live in a corrupt banana republic.
Personally, I would be quite happy for Assange to be dumped on the first Air Ecuador Dakota available - it's just a matter of time till their left-wing junta becomes a right-wing junta, and the generals will hand him over to the US - whether the US want him or not.
Demonstrates the hypocrisy of the 'man' nicely, though.
And a good piece by Lord Carlile:
Now, I have never met Julian Assange but someone who has described him to me as ‘strange and creepy’. For sure, not all his supporters stand by him once they know him better. The women in Sweden who have made complaints against him were once strong supporters of WikiLeaks. Now they complain he sexually violated them.
Those who say they are victims are entitled to have their complaints heard fully. Assange is entitled to and should submit himself to a fair prosecution and possible trial.
This has nothing to do with WikiLeaks. Sweden, a civilised country with admirable civil liberties, wants to follow due legal process. Assange allegedly believes in due process – therefore he should submit himself to the judgment of the Swedish court.
After all, he has taken full advantage of our legal system. Having been arrested here, he has been provided with the full panoply of the best system of judicial scrutiny in the world. He was given bail, supported by generous individuals. How they must regret his disloyalty now, as they face the loss of their savings as a result of his absconding to Ecuador’s Embassy in West London.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2190401/Welcome-Ecuador-Mr-Assange--worlds-biggest-banana-grower-But-hotbed-corruption-extortion-repression-says-WikiLeaks--You-really-want-live-HERE.html#ixzz23z7Nrz00
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Something to cheer you up, LL. Assange's unfortunate resemblance to Mr Humphries of Are You Being Served? has been noticed....
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I would advise assange to read what Carlile has said very carefully. Advice from a top QC, freely given, is NOT to be sneezed at.
Oh, bonny, I'm reporting you for cruelty to Mr Humphries - would you like to be compared with Juicy Julius - someone somewhere said assange is a albino which is why his hair keeps changing color! LL
Oh, bonny, I'm reporting you for cruelty to Mr Humphries - would you like to be compared with Juicy Julius - someone somewhere said assange is a albino which is why his hair keeps changing color! LL
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They're appearing all over the place now, LL...
This is Assange's cue to leave the country....it's only going to get worse. Or better.
This is Assange's cue to leave the country....it's only going to get worse. Or better.
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My friends, this was taken from Sky news:
http://news.sky.com/story/974243/assange-ecuadors-president-in-warning-to-uk
http://news.sky.com/story/974310/assange-to-speak-amid-extradition-stand-off
http://news.sky.com/story/974243/assange-ecuadors-president-in-warning-to-uk
http://news.sky.com/story/974310/assange-to-speak-amid-extradition-stand-off
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Thanks, Pedro.
He's on his soapbox:
http://news.sky.com/story/974310/asylum-offer-assange-thankful-to-ecuador
Asylum Offer: Assange 'Thankful To Ecuador'
Julian Assange's lawyer says the WikiLeaks founder is grateful to Ecuador for offering him asylum as he is set to speak publicly.
Julian Assange's lawyer has said his client is thankful to the people of Ecuador and the country's president for granting him asylum - as the WikiLeaks founder prepares to speak publicly.
The 41-year-old has been holed up at the Ecuadorian embassy in central London for two months to avoid extradition to Sweden where he is wanted for questioning over alleged sexual misconduct - claims he denies.
But he is fearful that he may be sent to the US in connection with leaked diplomatic cables that were revealed by his WikiLeaks website.
Mr Assange is due to make his first public statement since Ecuador announced it had granted him asylum last week.
But the Foreign Office has refused to grant him safe passage out of the UK and he will be arrested if he sets foot outside the embassy.
The head of Mr Assange's legal team, Baltasar Garzon, told reporters outside the embassy: "I have spoken to Julian Assange and I can tell you he is in fighting spirits and he is thankful to the people of Ecuador and especially to the president for granting asylum.
"Julian Assange has always fought for truth and justice and has defended human rights and continues to do so.
"He demands that WikiLeaks and his own rights be respected.
"Julian Assange has instructed his lawyers to carry out a legal action in order to protect the rights of WikiLeaks, Julian himself and all those currently being investigated."
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Huh. Whatever happened to women's rights, then?
He's on his soapbox:
http://news.sky.com/story/974310/asylum-offer-assange-thankful-to-ecuador
Asylum Offer: Assange 'Thankful To Ecuador'
Julian Assange's lawyer says the WikiLeaks founder is grateful to Ecuador for offering him asylum as he is set to speak publicly.
Julian Assange's lawyer has said his client is thankful to the people of Ecuador and the country's president for granting him asylum - as the WikiLeaks founder prepares to speak publicly.
The 41-year-old has been holed up at the Ecuadorian embassy in central London for two months to avoid extradition to Sweden where he is wanted for questioning over alleged sexual misconduct - claims he denies.
But he is fearful that he may be sent to the US in connection with leaked diplomatic cables that were revealed by his WikiLeaks website.
Mr Assange is due to make his first public statement since Ecuador announced it had granted him asylum last week.
But the Foreign Office has refused to grant him safe passage out of the UK and he will be arrested if he sets foot outside the embassy.
The head of Mr Assange's legal team, Baltasar Garzon, told reporters outside the embassy: "I have spoken to Julian Assange and I can tell you he is in fighting spirits and he is thankful to the people of Ecuador and especially to the president for granting asylum.
"Julian Assange has always fought for truth and justice and has defended human rights and continues to do so.
"He demands that WikiLeaks and his own rights be respected.
"Julian Assange has instructed his lawyers to carry out a legal action in order to protect the rights of WikiLeaks, Julian himself and all those currently being investigated."
More follows...
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Huh. Whatever happened to women's rights, then?
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you welcome bb1.
assange demands? who is he or what authority does he thinks he have (which he have no authority at all) or who he thinks he his to make demands? maybe he thinks that he is the ruler of the world? wrong.
I agree with you bb1: "Huh. Whatever happened to women's rights, then?"
assange demands? who is he or what authority does he thinks he have (which he have no authority at all) or who he thinks he his to make demands? maybe he thinks that he is the ruler of the world? wrong.
I agree with you bb1: "Huh. Whatever happened to women's rights, then?"
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bb1 wrote:They're appearing all over the place now, LL...
This is Assange's cue to leave the country....it's only going to get worse. Or better.
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I wonder how the people of Ecuador reacts if assange´s asylum will be paid at the expenses of Ecuador´s taxpayers, taxpayers will not enjoy.
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They won't have any choice, Pedro. Ecuador is a left-wing dictatorship, where critics of the regime - like bloggers - get locked up.
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Yes bb1, I´m not surprise with Ecuador´s government behaviour: to accept assange´s asylum there.
this was already expected from Ecuador´s government.
this was already expected from Ecuador´s government.
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This should be shown in huge letters outside the embassy, as stated by Lord Carlile...
The most obvious example of the posturing of Ecuador in this bizarre case is its accusation that the real agenda is to send Assange to a potential death penalty in the US. Had they bothered to ask even a junior law student here, they would have been told that Britain sends no one to any country where they might face the death penalty.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2190401/Welcome-Ecuador-Mr-Assange--worlds-biggest-banana-grower-But-hotbed-corruption-extortion-repression-says-WikiLeaks--You-really-want-live-HERE.html#ixzz23zqp4pzL
The most obvious example of the posturing of Ecuador in this bizarre case is its accusation that the real agenda is to send Assange to a potential death penalty in the US. Had they bothered to ask even a junior law student here, they would have been told that Britain sends no one to any country where they might face the death penalty.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2190401/Welcome-Ecuador-Mr-Assange--worlds-biggest-banana-grower-But-hotbed-corruption-extortion-repression-says-WikiLeaks--You-really-want-live-HERE.html#ixzz23zqp4pzL
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Pedro, IMO, if he ever gets to Ecuador, he is going to end up dead. It's only a matter of time before there is a Right-wing coup and a different junta takes charge.
Not to mention, he manages to offend people wherever he goes. He'll insult the local drug lord's sister, or something, and discover they settle things more permanently than Swedish courts.
Not to mention, he manages to offend people wherever he goes. He'll insult the local drug lord's sister, or something, and discover they settle things more permanently than Swedish courts.
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A simple few steps to end this ridiculous farce:
1. The USA, possibly in the person of Hillary Clinton, issues a statement that they have no intention of applying for an extradition from Sweden.
2. Sweden stating, through their Foreign Minister, that they have no intention of acceding to any extradition order from any party, so long as assange surrenders to the authorities in the UK and gets on a plane to Sweden.
3. Failure of these steps, forward the SAS and an abseil down from the roof, with a snatch from the balcony .... (this last suggestion is to point out how silly all this is - or is it?) LL
1. The USA, possibly in the person of Hillary Clinton, issues a statement that they have no intention of applying for an extradition from Sweden.
2. Sweden stating, through their Foreign Minister, that they have no intention of acceding to any extradition order from any party, so long as assange surrenders to the authorities in the UK and gets on a plane to Sweden.
3. Failure of these steps, forward the SAS and an abseil down from the roof, with a snatch from the balcony .... (this last suggestion is to point out how silly all this is - or is it?) LL
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Well, the SAS option would be quite a good televisual end to the summer, really, and with any luck, onlookers might think it was part of the Jubilee, or the Olympics, or something.....
I seriously do not care what happens to him, as long as the grubby oik is removed from the UK.
I seriously do not care what happens to him, as long as the grubby oik is removed from the UK.
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Where's he got to, then? I thought he was due to go onto the balcony and sing, Don't Cry For Me, Ecuador, at 2 pm?
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bb1 wrote:Well, the SAS option would be quite a good televisual end to the summer, really, and with any luck, onlookers might think it was part of the Jubilee, or the Olympics, or something.....
I seriously do not care what happens to him, as long as the grubby oik is removed from the UK.
Send in Boris on that thing he got stuck on.
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Oh yes, of course!!!!
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Tony would have done a great photo of that.
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He's just been on BBC World news. He went on and on about Obama and the USA, but no mention of why Sweden want him. He mentioned police swarming up the internal fire escape - what?? He is bonkers. LL
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