ANOTHER SCHOOL SHOOTING IN THE USA

**Lamplighter** Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:59 pm

Shooter reported dead at Connecticut elementary school
By Michael Pearson, CNN
December 14, 2012 -- Updated 1644 GMT (0044 HKT)

Students are evacuated to nearby a firehouse, CNN affiliate WFSB reports
Newspaper cites police saying one person has "numerous gunshot wounds."
(CNN) -- The suspected gunman in Friday's shooting at a Connecticut elementary school is dead on the scene, a source with knowledge of the investigation told CNN's Susan Candiotti.
The source also said police have recovered two weapons from the suspect, a Glock and a Sig Sauer. It's unclear if police killed the suspect, the source said.
The Hartford Courant, citing police, said an unspecified number of people had been shot at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown.
The nature of their injuries was unclear, the newspaper said. But it cited police as saying one person had "numerous gunshot wounds."
The Newtown Bee newspaper said one child had been carried out by a police officer and emergency crews had set up triage facilities, expecting additional patients.
All schools in the city were on lockdown Friday as police assessed the situation, state police spokesman Lt. Paul Vance said.
Students were evacuated to a nearby firehouse, the Danbury News-Times newspaper reported.
Images from CNN affiliate News 12 New Jersey showed police officers armed with rifles following a dog into woods near the school.
Other officers, some in tactical gear, stood around the school with guns drawn, CNN affiliate WFSB reported.
A photograph published by the Newtown Bee showed teachers and police leading students out of the building across a parking lot.
The first calls came into police around 9:40 a.m., according to media accounts.
Police scheduled a news conference for 1 p.m. ET.
Newtown is about 60 miles north of New York.

And still the gun lobby will not accept any control, making the facile argument that guns do not kill people, shooters do. You should hear Piers Morgan on the gun culture in the USA!! LL

**bb1** Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:44 pm

Trouble is, LL, even the very strict laws in the UK haven't stopped criminals getting guns, or homicidal maniacs going on shooting sprees. And if they can't get guns, they use knives. Or as in Manchester recently, grenades.

I can see an argument for households being allowed a firearm - PROVIDED people are properly trained, responsible adults.

I dont' know what the answer is.

**bb1** Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:55 pm

Oh my God, it's awful!

http://news.sky.com/story/1025646/school-shooting-in-connecticut-kills-27

School Shooting In Connecticut 'Kills 27'

A shooting at a US elementary school has reportedly killed at least 27 people - including 14 children.

The death toll at Sandy Hook Elementary School, in Newtown, Connecticut was reported by CBS, which cited unnamed officials.

Meanwhile, local newspaper the Hartford Courant said sources had said that many of the shootings took place in a kindergarten classroom. The gunman has also reportedly been killed.

Staff at Danbury Hospital say they did not expect to receive more patients than the three they were treating.

A White House spokesman said President Barack Obama was monitoring the situation.

Local media initially reported there were two shooters, while police reportedly said a gunman was in the main office of the school and that a person in one room had "numerous gunshot wounds".

A dispatcher at the Newtown Volunteer Ambulance Corps said a teacher was shot in the foot and taken to Danbury Hospital.

But State Police are reportedly saying that the school is no longer an "active shooting scene".

Crying pupils were seen being escorted from the school, which has children aged between five and 10 years old.

More follows...

**Rose** Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:53 pm

OMG...these are very young children, family drama? Adults too under the victims and the shooter is dead too. Why...

**bb1** Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:55 pm

And on the other side of the world...

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html?hpt=hp_t4

Knife attack at Chinese school wounds 22 children
By CNN Staff

Beijing (CNN) -- Twenty-two primary school children were wounded in a knife attack Friday in central China, authorities said.
The attack took place at the entrance to the Chenpeng Village Primary School in Henan province, according to the public information department of Guangshan county, the area where the school is located. An adult was also wounded, it said.
Several of the children are in critical condition, the state-run website Chinanews.com said, citing local authorities.
Read more: Malala is face of global attacks on schools
Police say they have detained a suspect, a 36-year-old man from the village, state media reported.
Initial assessments suggest the man is mentally ill, Chinanews.com said, citing Guangshan authorities.
China was hit by a spate of knife and cleaver attacks that targeted school children in 2010.
A number of measures were introduced at the time, including increased security at schools across the country and a regulation requiring people to register with their national ID cards when buying large knives.

Sometimes, you feel like giving up on the human race.

**bb1** Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:58 pm

Rose wrote:OMG...these are very young children, family drama? Adults too under the victims and the shooter is dead too. Why...

It's still unclear, Rose, but there are early reports that the gunman was the father of one of the children.

From:

http://news.sky.com/story/1025646/school-shooting-in-connecticut-27-killed

The gunman - reportedly the father of a pupil, masked and heavily armed - has been killed. AP said he was 20 years old and used a .223-caliber rifle.

It seems it was a kindergarten class.

I just don't have the words for such evil.

**bb1** Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:33 pm

The story is confused, but Sky are reporting that the gunman was the SON of one of the teachers, and that he killed his father at home before he went to the school and killed his mother and the children.

**bb1** Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:35 pm

He has been named as 24 year old Ryan Lanza, and his mother is one of the dead at the school; his father was found dead at the family home in New Jersey.

**bb1** Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:09 pm

It is still confused; it appears that his brother is Adam Lanza, who is being questioned by police. There is talk of a secondary crime scene, and also that the gunman's girlfriend is missing.

It appears that he concentrated on his mother's class.

Omaba spoke to the press earlier, and was very visibly upset.

**bb1** Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:49 pm

**Pedro Silva** Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:26 pm

punish hard the criminals for this atrocity.

**Lamplighter** Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:18 am

Last night's Piers Morgan Tonight on CNN was devoted to this terrible tragedy and it got very acrimonious with a pro gun lobbyist shouting at Piers and giving out facts that were false; here is the link so you can see some of it, you need to go to the top of the page and click on where it says Piers Morgan Tonight, Connecticut killings. LL
http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/

**bb1** Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:14 pm

I genuinely do not think it is as simple as gun control, LL - I saw another set of statistics last night which suggested that, per head of population and factoring in our strict controls, the UK has a greater propensity to pick up a firearm and start blasting than the US.

IMO, there is something else at work here. These spree killers seem to come from a fairly specific age group.

I would equally lay the blame at the feet of dehumanising, ultra-violent video games which are 'won' by mass slaughter. And a certain kind of movie - not OTT action movies like Bond or Bourne, but the sly slaughters created by the likes of Tarantino, so beloved of Guardianistas.

And do not get me started on torture porn.

These misfit fit youths are being fed a diet of violence which dehumanises people and mocks victims. They are, IMO, timebombs waiting to go off.

They are not the produce of the ghettoes - they are the produce of the white middle classes, the very people who are most likely to indulge their misfit sons and find excuses for behaviour which really should be setting off alarm bells.

**Lamplighter** Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:28 pm

I remember a few months after we went to live in LA my eldest son coming home and asking to see my gun. Somewhat startled, I asked him what gun. He said the one I had in the house to shoot people with. After my initial shock I sat him down and found out that his new school friends had asked him what make my gun was; he said he didn't know cos he thought we didn't have one. He was told everyone had a gun to shoot people with if they were bad or annoyed you. I was, I must admit, somewhat bemused and also dismayed. We rented a place in Bel Air, affluent, well to do, not McArthur Park, Downtown or an area with a high crime rate. To be truthful, though I did enjoy my 3 1/2 years there I was more than pleased to leave. I have visited since, but I would not wish to live there, I am a European first and foremost. I feel far safer in Europe. LL

**bb1** Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:45 pm

I feel far safer in Europe.

I wish I could say the same, LL. There's nothing very safe about a country where criminals and uncaught lunatics can get hold of guns - and grenades - easily, but the ordinary, normal citizen cannot, even as a line of last defence.

Recent massacres in France? Breivik? The school massacres in Finland? Unarmed policewomen being shot and hit by grenades? Cumbria?

I'm sorry, I don't think Europe is really in a position to take any kind of moral high ground about this.

Don't get me wrong, I cannot defend it being EASY to get firearms, or possess them without any kind of proper training. And I don't quite know why anyone needs to keep so much firepower at home, as the killer's parents seemingly did.

But I don't think that disarming the law-abiding whilst leaving the criminals armed is the best solution, either. What the answer is, I don't know, but there is more to this than people simply having weapons.

**Pedro Silva** Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:04 pm

I think that the problem in the United States is, that anyone can buy a gun whether for it´s defense or any other use about the weapon, besides, violent films also contribute for this type of mass murderers.

**bb1** Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:06 pm

From:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/in-europes-league-of-school-shootings-germany-comes-top-1645387.html

Germany is now second only to the US in terms of the number of deaths that have resulted from school shootings. It is in the unenviable position of being top of the league in Europe, and many are beginning to ask whether radical changes to the country's gun control laws are not long overdue.

The carnage at the school in the provincial town of Winnenden, near Stuttgart, was wrought by Tim Kretschmer a 17-year-old former pupil. He walked calmly into three classrooms on Wednesday and gunned down eight teenagers and three women teachers. All were shot in the head at close range. He later killed three bystanders outside the school before he was cornered by police and turned his gun on himself.

Yesterday German police said they had averted a second school massacre that was planned for 20 April, Adolf Hitler's birthday and the anniversary of the US Columbine high school killings of 1999. They found bomb-making equipment in the bedroom of a teenage schoolboy who had boasted to his fellow pupils that he was planning to blow up his school near Düsseldorf. The carnage could have been even worse than in Erfurt in 2002, when Robert Steinhäuser returned to his school and gunned down 16 people.

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It is very wrong of Piers Morgan to use the latest atrocity as a stick to beat America with.

Given the European propensity for soaking the continent in blood, an equal argument could be made for keeping guns out of the hands of all American males of European descent. It seems to be rare for Afro-Americans to run amok, after all.

I agree about the movies, etc., Pedro, they are virtually programming the mentally unstable to commit atrocities.

**bb1** Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:18 pm

http://news.sky.com/story/1025790/newtown-shooting-gunman-was-honours-student

Adam Lanza belonged to the school's technology club, which held LAN parties - short for local area network - in which students would gather at a member's home, hook up their computers into a small network and play games.

Might be a very good idea to find out who he was 'playing games' with, and what those games were.

**Pedro Silva** Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:26 pm

we all know that, independently of the country, since this world have been created, there always will be, unfortunately, this type of criminals, history proves it, this is a very difficult issue to be solved, these criminals could be condemned to death penalty, even a peaceful person can suddenly become a murderer, it is in the human genes, I´m not writing excuses, because, for me, this type of murders have no excuse, they are totally unacceptable, about movies, yes bb1, I agree with you, but, there are also violent games which contributes to these mass murderers, which, by playing such games, makes to those who plays them to think that what is being showed in the games is the reality, which creates criminals.

**bb1** Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:35 pm

But the paradox of 9/11 is that the one time the terrorists were stopped was Flight 93, when the passengers DID fight back and prevent a fourth 'spectacular', at the cost of their own lives.

For all anyone knows, the original WTC might still be standing, and thousands of lives saved, if armed air marshalls had been on the other three flights.

It isn't simple, there aren't easy answers, and it's not a peculiarly American problem - Europeans are NOT immune to massacres and atrocities.

**bb1** Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:38 pm

there also violent games which contributes to these mass murderers

I agree with that 100%, Pedro, and this retreat into a fantasy world where violence and slaughter is rewarded seems to be the one recurring factor in these atrocities, all over the world.

**Pedro Silva** Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:45 pm

Yes bb1, about "I agree with that 100%... this retreat into a fantasy world where violence and slaughter is rewarded seems to be the one recurring factor in these atrocities, all over the world", I agree with you bb1. In my opinion, the United States should look for their criminal problems inside, rather than be the country who wants to solve war problems in other countries, of course that is is good that United States tries to help other countries about war issues, but, USA should also focus in his own criminal problems.

**Lamplighter** Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:52 pm

It is very wrong of Piers Morgan to use the latest atrocity as a stick to beat America with.

He wasn't, he was trying to get the pro gun man to explain why people needed Glocks and semi automatics that were usually military standard issue in their homes; why nothing was being done to try and rectify the situation; all the man kept doing was screeching on about was that the UK was more dangerous than the USA because of the gun ban after Dunblane, at no time was Europe mentioned, nor China and Russia where school killings also take place. Piers got better answers from Rudy Guiliani and other speakers than this pro gun man. LL

**bb1** Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:00 pm

he was trying to get the pro gun man to explain why people needed Glocks and semi automatics that were usually military standard issue in their homes

Apologies, LL, I picked it up wrong. Yes, that I would agree with. I gather Connecticut does have strict gun laws, so what a schoolteacher was doing with those, I cannot imagine.

There is something else bothering me - a lot of these whackjobs have swallowed this rubbish about the end of the world happening on the 21st December. Some of them are quite capable of deciding to hurry things up a bit.

I see there are now reports in the media about the killer having 'mental health problems'. Which no-one seems to taken any too seriously. Meanwhile, he was filling his head with violent video games, in a house where his late mother, for some unknown reason, kept a selection of automatic weapons.

Not plain ordinary shotguns or handguns, which do more than enough damage, but automatics. IMO, there is a great deal more to this witches' brew of evil than we know so far.

**Lamplighter** Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:21 pm

In the case of the rifle, Connecticut is a 'shooting' part of the USA; my grandfather for instance had a couple of rifles as hunting is the norm in Austria. Also as the guns were in his mother's name she had obviously had been through the licensing procedure and the shooting range lessons. A relative of the shooter said he had a form of autism and a school class mate said he was quiet, a loner. If you can get CNN there is about to be a press conference on the latest info. LL

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