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Post  Lamplighter Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:15 am

Germany inquiry into Oradour wartime massacre in France
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The ruins of the village have been preserved as a memorial

German investigators have opened a new inquiry into the wartime massacre of 642 people by SS troops in the central French village of Oradour-sur-Glane.

They acted on evidence uncovered in the archived files of East Germany's Stasi secret police about six soldiers, then aged 18 or 19, who are still alive.

East Germany refused to extradite the suspects for the original post-war trial of surviving SS men in France.

German investigators have travelled to Oradour-sur-Glane to investigate where different SS units were deployed and will hear from witnesses and survivors.

Some 60 soldiers were brought to trial the 1950s. Twenty of them were convicted but all were later released.

The German prosecutor says he hopes a new legal process will begin in Germany but with the suspects now 87 and 88 years old time is short, the BBC's Christian Fraser reports.

Women and children

On 10 June 1944, a detachment of SS troops surrounded the tiny hamlet in the Limousin region.

It is believed by some that they were seeking retribution for the kidnap of a German officer but some say that resistance members were based in a different, nearby village.

Most of the victims were women and children. Many of them were herded into a local church into which hand grenades were thrown before it was set on fire.

The men were locked in a barn. Machine-gunners shot at their legs, then doused them in petrol and set them alight.

Sixty-eight years on, one survivor, Robert Hebras, welcomed the new German inquiry but said it should have happened earlier.

"Lots of the people concerned are now old men like me, who may well have lost their memories. Nonetheless, it is good that Germany is taking responsibility for Oradour and remain concerned by it."

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It was East German state policy to deny wartime atrocities, especially against people in occupied countries, unlike the West German state which accepted their culpability and tried to make amends. But most of the guilty are dead, and those left are old, ill and often senile. I believe in just retribution but wonder whether the sight on TV of drooling, virtually comatose old men actually gains anyone anyrhing. We should never forget man's inhumanity to man, especially as it still goers on today. Just my personal opinion, as one who lost family members to the Nazis. LL


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Post  bb1 Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:32 am

It's not that long since I saw one of the old barstewards in a documentary, LL, pretending he was away making the tea or something the day it happened, and he was doing anything but drooling.

I can see both viewpoints - some of them are indeed senile, but not all of them, and many of those have led very comfortable lives indeed since they gave up mass murder.

It's a tricky one.
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Post  Lamplighter Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:41 am

A very tricky one, I agree. But what about those in occupied countries who actually helped push the Jews into the cattle tracks and are living out their lives, as you say, in comfort? No-one goes after them, do they? It's a very emotive subject. LL
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Post  muratfan Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:33 pm

Trouble is most soldiers were following orders, and were probably scared witless to go against their superiors.

That said I still think those involved should still be brought to justice. However it is like people saying pilots of bombers sent to Dresden should be prosecuted after the bombing there.
Once again they were pilots carrying out orders...

(but amazing everyone questions Dresden, but nobody questioned the relentless Bombing of London, the obliteration of Coventry in one night and it was luck they didn't cause a firestorm as the weather conditions were not right)
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Post  bb1 Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:16 pm

It's often forgotten that, if there is such a thing as Divine Intervention, then that saved London that night.

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Post  muratfan Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:29 pm

Also I watched a programme the other night on the escape of 2 million German refugees from the fleeing Russians.

The Russians raped and pillaged and also murdered an entire German village. They rounded up men and nailed them to doors and shot them, raped women and young girls. They then shot them the people they raped.

Yet those atrocities are never investigated by war crimes tribunal, and it seems they did it to the Germans as they were the ones who started the war.
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Post  muratfan Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:58 pm

And remember after Stalingrad was recaptured by the Red Army, some 107,000 captured and only 6,000 were released
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Post  Lamplighter Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:05 pm

And there is, of course, the infamous massacre of Poles in Katyn, which the Soviets did a great thing over that they were killed by Germans. What blew that out of the water was the finding of a newspaper in the mass grave, that had the date on it. Later it was shown the Germans were nowhere near Katyn, the Soviets had perpetrated the killings and then covered it up. LL
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Post  bb1 Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:17 pm

Paulus made sure he didn't suffer too much after Stalingrad...
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