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http://news.sky.com/story/1328374/madeleine-secret-report-on-police-probe
Madeleine: Secret Report On Police Probe
So many UK agencies got involved in the hunt for the missing girl it damaged relations with Portuguese police, Sky News learns.
By Martin Brunt, Crime Correspondent
The competition between British police forces to be seen to be helping in the search for Madeleine McCann hampered the investigation into her disappearance and has had negative effects ever since, according to the author of a secret Home Office report.
The unpublished report - commissioned by former Home Secretary Alan Johnson in 2009 - concluded that so many UK agencies got involved it damaged relations with Portuguese police, Sky News has learnt.
Jim Gamble, the former head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP) who wrote the report, said the intervention of competing police chiefs has had a long-term negative effect on the investigation.
Sky News has been briefed on the contents of the hitherto unseen document - delivered in 2010 - which eventually led to the Metropolitan Police re-opening the investigation.
It concluded that:
:: The intervention of multiple UK police forces and agencies created "frustration" and "resentment" among Portuguese police.
:: The decision by the Association of Chief Police Officers to put Leicestershire Police in charge of the operation was a mistake because the force was ill-equipped to deal with such a big investigation.
:: Challenges to the Portuguese police's approach to the investigation led to warnings that Britain should not try to act as a "colonial power".
Speaking to Sky News, Mr Gamble said that within the first few weeks of Madeleine going missing in Praia da Luz in May 2007 the Portuguese were given advice by CEOP, the Metropolitan Police, the Serious Organised Crime Agency and the National Police Improvement Agency.
He said: "All of us… your first gut reaction is you want to help…so everyone came with best intention, that created a sense of chaos and a sense of competition…and in many instances in my opinion wanting to be seen to help.
"It was unhelpful…I've no doubt relationships from the outset with the Portuguese were impacted by it and I think that had a long-term negative effect on the investigation."
Mr Gamble - who refuses to release the detail of his findings - said the initial Portuguese police response to Madeleine's disappearance was "haphazard" and that potentially crucial information had not been followed up.
One of Mr Gamble's recommendations was the establishment of a national centre for missing children. However, this has not been set up.
As a result, Mr Gamble does not believe that the response of British authorities to a similar situation would be any better.
Author Anthony Summers, whose book Looking For Madeleine is out next week and contains further revelations about the case, said: "It was a case of too many cooks… spoiling the broth of the initial investigation."
Co-author Robbyn Swan added: "The problems that grew out of the race to help …those things have not been fundamentally addressed."
The Home Office - which declined to release the report under Freedom of Information laws - declined to comment.
Madeleine: Secret Report On Police Probe
So many UK agencies got involved in the hunt for the missing girl it damaged relations with Portuguese police, Sky News learns.
By Martin Brunt, Crime Correspondent
The competition between British police forces to be seen to be helping in the search for Madeleine McCann hampered the investigation into her disappearance and has had negative effects ever since, according to the author of a secret Home Office report.
The unpublished report - commissioned by former Home Secretary Alan Johnson in 2009 - concluded that so many UK agencies got involved it damaged relations with Portuguese police, Sky News has learnt.
Jim Gamble, the former head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP) who wrote the report, said the intervention of competing police chiefs has had a long-term negative effect on the investigation.
Sky News has been briefed on the contents of the hitherto unseen document - delivered in 2010 - which eventually led to the Metropolitan Police re-opening the investigation.
It concluded that:
:: The intervention of multiple UK police forces and agencies created "frustration" and "resentment" among Portuguese police.
:: The decision by the Association of Chief Police Officers to put Leicestershire Police in charge of the operation was a mistake because the force was ill-equipped to deal with such a big investigation.
:: Challenges to the Portuguese police's approach to the investigation led to warnings that Britain should not try to act as a "colonial power".
Speaking to Sky News, Mr Gamble said that within the first few weeks of Madeleine going missing in Praia da Luz in May 2007 the Portuguese were given advice by CEOP, the Metropolitan Police, the Serious Organised Crime Agency and the National Police Improvement Agency.
He said: "All of us… your first gut reaction is you want to help…so everyone came with best intention, that created a sense of chaos and a sense of competition…and in many instances in my opinion wanting to be seen to help.
"It was unhelpful…I've no doubt relationships from the outset with the Portuguese were impacted by it and I think that had a long-term negative effect on the investigation."
Mr Gamble - who refuses to release the detail of his findings - said the initial Portuguese police response to Madeleine's disappearance was "haphazard" and that potentially crucial information had not been followed up.
One of Mr Gamble's recommendations was the establishment of a national centre for missing children. However, this has not been set up.
As a result, Mr Gamble does not believe that the response of British authorities to a similar situation would be any better.
Author Anthony Summers, whose book Looking For Madeleine is out next week and contains further revelations about the case, said: "It was a case of too many cooks… spoiling the broth of the initial investigation."
Co-author Robbyn Swan added: "The problems that grew out of the race to help …those things have not been fundamentally addressed."
The Home Office - which declined to release the report under Freedom of Information laws - declined to comment.
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That should set Bennett off chewing carpets; those SUCCESSFUL authors Summers and Swan got a plug on Sky.
Incidentally, did Gonzo manage to follow ALL the UK agencies, or just the police?
Incidentally, did Gonzo manage to follow ALL the UK agencies, or just the police?
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the initial Portuguese police response to Madeleine's disappearance was "haphazard" and that potentially crucial information had not been followed up.
Haters won't like that.
Haters won't like that.
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bb1 wrote:the initial Portuguese police response to Madeleine's disappearance was "haphazard" and that potentially crucial information had not been followed up.
Haters won't like that.
Can't think why they won't.
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bb1 wrote:That should set Bennett off chewing carpets; those SUCCESSFUL authors Summers and Swan got a plug on Sky.
Incidentally, did Gonzo manage to follow ALL the UK agencies, or just the police?
That's a good question. You could never accuse the incompetent one of being paranoid.
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It's amazing how little it takes to get haters frothing at the mouth.
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No doubt the TV networks have also booked prime time slots with Summers or Swan for them to titillate the great British public with the prospect of dramatic new revelations in their book.
Bennett sounds soooo resentful. Possibly because he's never succeeded at anything. What can you say about someone that gets slung out of UKIP for extremism?
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Post of the day, Bonny.
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You know the stupid things numties always say when there's a news report they don't like? That's what they're doing now, sample:
Umm did they not call Sky News before they called the G.N.R.?
No, of course not. As anyone who has read the police files knows. As anyone who follows what the non-Gonzo PJ say knows. IT'S A FORUM MYTH.
Brunt's in disgrace, too:
We should all 'tweet' Brunt and ask how he can sit there with a straight face, I did.
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He is in the cover-up up to his forehead, hope he drowns in all the sh*t he spouts
I'm sure Brunt is well-used to be tw@tted by nutjobs.
Umm did they not call Sky News before they called the G.N.R.?
No, of course not. As anyone who has read the police files knows. As anyone who follows what the non-Gonzo PJ say knows. IT'S A FORUM MYTH.
Brunt's in disgrace, too:
We should all 'tweet' Brunt and ask how he can sit there with a straight face, I did.
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He is in the cover-up up to his forehead, hope he drowns in all the sh*t he spouts
I'm sure Brunt is well-used to be tw@tted by nutjobs.
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This lull in the news of the investigation has given us a chance to the see the hounders in their conspiraloon glory.
They are raving mad. Always a pleasure to watch.
They are raving mad. Always a pleasure to watch.
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I disagree with Martin Brunt "So many UK agencies got involved in the hunt for the missing girl it damaged relations with Portuguese police", besides, this is no competition, only a fool considers this a competition.
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Same story:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/01/british-police-competition-harmed-madeleine-mccann-investigation-home-office-report
Gamble explained that the Portuguese police's initial response to the case was chaotic and haphazard. He said this was "alien to the more structured police you would expect here in the UK. There was not a sense of order".
"In the first instance, the parents should be your number one suspects," he told Sky. "In most cases, in the first few golden hours, as you collect evidence, you can then rule them in or out. And that was one of the huge flaws in this – people didn't focus on clearing the ground beneath their feet in those chaotic first few hours that led into the haphazard first few weeks.
"When I carried out the scoping review there was no evidence that some of the critical information and the analysis of which could have led to intelligence and to leads had been followed up."
And here:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeline-mccann-investigation-was-held-back-by-competing-crime-agencies-9704909.html
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/01/british-police-competition-harmed-madeleine-mccann-investigation-home-office-report
Gamble explained that the Portuguese police's initial response to the case was chaotic and haphazard. He said this was "alien to the more structured police you would expect here in the UK. There was not a sense of order".
"In the first instance, the parents should be your number one suspects," he told Sky. "In most cases, in the first few golden hours, as you collect evidence, you can then rule them in or out. And that was one of the huge flaws in this – people didn't focus on clearing the ground beneath their feet in those chaotic first few hours that led into the haphazard first few weeks.
"When I carried out the scoping review there was no evidence that some of the critical information and the analysis of which could have led to intelligence and to leads had been followed up."
And here:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeline-mccann-investigation-was-held-back-by-competing-crime-agencies-9704909.html
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I think it was not helped by having the incompetent oaf in charge.
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The whole thing seems to have been a complete shambles, Lily. And I suspect the assorted British agencies would be infuriated by the shambles, and less than diplomatic...
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I'll say and with good reason too.
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From:
http://stopthemyths.prophpbb.com/topic6753-975.html
Jo Portugal Wilson There are a lot of anti comments on SKY News FB Page . HAVE YOUR SAY ON https://www.facebook.com/skynews
2 hrs · Edited · Like · 6
Lynda Murphy The lack of being questioned by Scotland Yard proves that they are being protected by this establishment ,
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Julia Mills Omg its sick
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Leanne R Baulch Could everyone put your views across on the link provided by Jo please
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Numty nutjobs organising hatespam yet again.
http://stopthemyths.prophpbb.com/topic6753-975.html
Jo Portugal Wilson There are a lot of anti comments on SKY News FB Page . HAVE YOUR SAY ON https://www.facebook.com/skynews
2 hrs · Edited · Like · 6
Lynda Murphy The lack of being questioned by Scotland Yard proves that they are being protected by this establishment ,
1 hr · Like · 3
Julia Mills Omg its sick
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Leanne R Baulch Could everyone put your views across on the link provided by Jo please
1 hr · Like · 4
Numty nutjobs organising hatespam yet again.
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Babalou @B_balou 1h
Angry punters on Sky News Facebook page. No-one is buying the abduction fairy-tale.
That'll be the Sky News FB page the numties got orders to hatespam?
Angry punters on Sky News Facebook page. No-one is buying the abduction fairy-tale.
That'll be the Sky News FB page the numties got orders to hatespam?
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Hounders:
Re: Sky news 7pm - Exclusive new report on Madeleine McCann investigation tonight - 1 Sept 2014
Post palm tree Today at 11:06 am
NickE wrote:
Angry punters on Sky News Facebook page. No-one is buying the abduction fairy-tale.
https://t.co/YU4HUd7zBq
Excellent, if everyone sticks together and keeps this up surely OG will get down to the nitty gritty and have to look at the parents. They'll not get nowhere until the obvious is looked at, and that's where it will end, the exact place as Goncalo Amaral IMO
Oh, stop kidding yourselves, everyone in the media knows it's just the same handful of nutjob haters every time. They only have to look at the hate sites to see the spam being organised. They know how few haters there really are - the only people haters are fooling are themselves. As usual.
Re: Sky news 7pm - Exclusive new report on Madeleine McCann investigation tonight - 1 Sept 2014
Post palm tree Today at 11:06 am
NickE wrote:
Angry punters on Sky News Facebook page. No-one is buying the abduction fairy-tale.
https://t.co/YU4HUd7zBq
Excellent, if everyone sticks together and keeps this up surely OG will get down to the nitty gritty and have to look at the parents. They'll not get nowhere until the obvious is looked at, and that's where it will end, the exact place as Goncalo Amaral IMO
Oh, stop kidding yourselves, everyone in the media knows it's just the same handful of nutjob haters every time. They only have to look at the hate sites to see the spam being organised. They know how few haters there really are - the only people haters are fooling are themselves. As usual.
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For posterity - before they are whooshed
Post PeterMac Today at 1:24 pm
Dirtmac copies all the comments made by the numpties pretending to be members of the public. You'd think an 'ex-policeman' would notice they're all by, well, the usual suspects, and nothing of any importance.
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For posterity - before they are whooshed
Post PeterMac Today at 1:24 pm
Dirtmac copies all the comments made by the numpties pretending to be members of the public. You'd think an 'ex-policeman' would notice they're all by, well, the usual suspects, and nothing of any importance.
Makes you wonder how incompetent he may have been.
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amaral was truly incompetent, he used his ow incompetence, insanity to jeopardize the search for a living, findable child, this insane amaral only accepted the unproven theories to feed his greed for celebrity style.
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My friends, this was taken from Correio da Manhã newspaper:
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/caso_maddie_mau_ambiente_entre_portugueses_e_ingleses.html
Maddie Case: Bad atmosphere between Portuguese and English
Report refers to "frustration" and "resentment" by the British authorities with Portuguese police.
A report by the Ministry of Interior announced that the English investigation into the disappearance of Maddie McCann had negative effects between the Portuguese and the English police.
The report, delivered in 2010, says the intervention of various forces of British authority and child protection agencies created "frustration" and "resentment" among the Portuguese police.
"Our first reaction was to want to help, so were all with the best of intentions and it created chaos and a sense of competition, in my opinion, because they wanted to be seen to help," said the report's author, Jim Gamble, s peaking to Sky News, revealing that the British were responsible for constantly giving advice to the Portuguese police.
"I have no doubt that this relationship had a negative effect on the investigation," further added the former head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre.
The report also admitted the fact that Leicestershire Police have been ahead of the operation of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was a mistake, because the police force was badly prepared to deal with such a large investigation.
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/caso_maddie_mau_ambiente_entre_portugueses_e_ingleses.html
Maddie Case: Bad atmosphere between Portuguese and English
Report refers to "frustration" and "resentment" by the British authorities with Portuguese police.
A report by the Ministry of Interior announced that the English investigation into the disappearance of Maddie McCann had negative effects between the Portuguese and the English police.
The report, delivered in 2010, says the intervention of various forces of British authority and child protection agencies created "frustration" and "resentment" among the Portuguese police.
"Our first reaction was to want to help, so were all with the best of intentions and it created chaos and a sense of competition, in my opinion, because they wanted to be seen to help," said the report's author, Jim Gamble, s peaking to Sky News, revealing that the British were responsible for constantly giving advice to the Portuguese police.
"I have no doubt that this relationship had a negative effect on the investigation," further added the former head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre.
The report also admitted the fact that Leicestershire Police have been ahead of the operation of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was a mistake, because the police force was badly prepared to deal with such a large investigation.
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Thank you, Pedro, that seems like a sensible report, without Gonzo shoving his oar in.
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you welcome bb1, I agree with you.
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