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bb1 Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:11 pm
http://news.sky.com/story/1559884/separatists-win-catalonian-elections-poll
An exit poll suggests separatists are set to win the Catalonian elections - raising the prospect of a declaration of independence.
The TV3 poll puts the Together for Yes group of secessionists on 63-66 seats in the 135-member parliament.
Though this is short of a majority, the radical left pro-independence Popular Unity Candidacy party is projected to win between 11 and 13 seats - and the two parties could join forces.
Together for Yes has pledged to unilaterally declare independence within 18 months.
The separatists want to impose their own constitution and build an army, central bank and judicial system.
The central government in Madrid says it would block any declaration in court because it would breach the Spanish constitution.
Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has opposed attempts to hold a referendum on secession and has labelled the breakaway plan "a nonsense".
One compromise could be the implementation of a more favourable tax regime and laws that better protect language and culture, which may soothe Catalan discontent.
Final election results are expected late on Sunday or early Monday
An exit poll suggests separatists are set to win the Catalonian elections - raising the prospect of a declaration of independence.
The TV3 poll puts the Together for Yes group of secessionists on 63-66 seats in the 135-member parliament.
Though this is short of a majority, the radical left pro-independence Popular Unity Candidacy party is projected to win between 11 and 13 seats - and the two parties could join forces.
Together for Yes has pledged to unilaterally declare independence within 18 months.
The separatists want to impose their own constitution and build an army, central bank and judicial system.
The central government in Madrid says it would block any declaration in court because it would breach the Spanish constitution.
Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has opposed attempts to hold a referendum on secession and has labelled the breakaway plan "a nonsense".
One compromise could be the implementation of a more favourable tax regime and laws that better protect language and culture, which may soothe Catalan discontent.
Final election results are expected late on Sunday or early Monday
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Re: Catalonia votes
lily Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:19 pm
People are making their protests known in the ways they can?
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bb1 Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:23 pm
The whole of the EU seems to be falling apart, Lily.
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Re: Catalonia votes
Lamplighter Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:59 am
As far as I remember from a discussion many years ago with a friend, Austrian, married to a Catalan lady, her people have been trying to get out from under Spanish rule for a very long time without success. Unfortunately for the Catalans, their land is the most prosperous area of the country and there is no way the Castillian rulers of Spain are going to let them secede. LL
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Re: Catalonia votes
bb1 Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:58 am
Sadly, I don't think they've got the numbers they need:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/28/catalan-separatists-win-election-and-claim-it-as-yes-vote-for-breakaway
“We won,” said Catalan leaderArtur Mas i Gavarró, as a jubilant crowd waved estelada flags at a rally in Barcelona. “Today was a double victory – the yes side won, as did democracy.”
After attempts by Catalan leaders to hold a referendum on independence were blocked by the central government in Madrid, Mas sought to turn the elections into a de facto referendum, pledging to begin the process of breaking away from Spain if Junts pel Sí won a majority of seats.
His party fell six seats short of a majority on Sunday. But Mas vowed to push forward with independence. “We ask that the world recognise the victory of Catalonia and the victory of the yes,” he said. “We have won and that gives us an enormous strength to push this project forward.”
Junts pel Sí, representing parties from the left and right, as well as grassroots independence activists, captured 39.7% of the vote, while CUP received 8.2%. The result leaves the separatists with 47.9% of the vote, shy of the 50%, plus one seat, that they would have needed if Sunday’s vote had been a real referendum.
I will need to read around a bit more, but at first glance, they simply do not have the support to do something so history-changing democratically. I know that strictly speaking, one vote is enough, but in practise, it isn't.
You need at least 60% for or against for legitimacy. Anything else and you have a divided nation/would-be nation. And I will happily apply that to Scotland, too - the NO win was too narrow to satisfy YESSES, and the reverse would have been true.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/28/catalan-separatists-win-election-and-claim-it-as-yes-vote-for-breakaway
“We won,” said Catalan leaderArtur Mas i Gavarró, as a jubilant crowd waved estelada flags at a rally in Barcelona. “Today was a double victory – the yes side won, as did democracy.”
After attempts by Catalan leaders to hold a referendum on independence were blocked by the central government in Madrid, Mas sought to turn the elections into a de facto referendum, pledging to begin the process of breaking away from Spain if Junts pel Sí won a majority of seats.
His party fell six seats short of a majority on Sunday. But Mas vowed to push forward with independence. “We ask that the world recognise the victory of Catalonia and the victory of the yes,” he said. “We have won and that gives us an enormous strength to push this project forward.”
Junts pel Sí, representing parties from the left and right, as well as grassroots independence activists, captured 39.7% of the vote, while CUP received 8.2%. The result leaves the separatists with 47.9% of the vote, shy of the 50%, plus one seat, that they would have needed if Sunday’s vote had been a real referendum.
I will need to read around a bit more, but at first glance, they simply do not have the support to do something so history-changing democratically. I know that strictly speaking, one vote is enough, but in practise, it isn't.
You need at least 60% for or against for legitimacy. Anything else and you have a divided nation/would-be nation. And I will happily apply that to Scotland, too - the NO win was too narrow to satisfy YESSES, and the reverse would have been true.
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