Re: Military coup underway in Turkey

**bb1** Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:16 pm

Maybe Boris's prizewinning pome was the last straw for the generals? They couldn't bear to see what a laughing stock Erdrogan is internationally?

**Jean-Pierre.t50** Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:26 pm

lily wrote:J-P, I do feel for you and Mrs J-P. Everything will be all right soon and you will have some amazing stories to tell in the future.

In the meantime, maybe you could suggest a fairly stiff drink?

Thanks lily. Ill substitute triple for fairly! This may get interesting!

**bb1** Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:51 pm

It's all very well for Erdrogan to tell his supporters to go onto the streets and fight the army- he's nowhere near danger. Wherever he actually is......

I sure wouldn't risk getting my head blown off for one of the nastiest, most dictatorial heads of state currently on the world stage.

**lily** Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:01 am

Jean-Pierre.t50 wrote:
lily wrote:J-P, I do feel for you and Mrs J-P. Everything will be all right soon and you will have some amazing stories to tell in the future.

In the meantime, maybe you could suggest a fairly stiff drink?

Thanks lily. Ill substitute triple for fairly! This may get interesting!

You are so welcome J-P. hug

Bonny, Erdogan was on vacation. Wouldn't you know.

**bb1** Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:04 am

Ah, but throughout history, that's been a traditional cue for coup-launching, Lily. You wait till your enemy is out of the capital......or even better, out of the country.

**bb1** Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:05 am

ommy Krappweis ‏@TommyKrappweis 46m46 minutes ago
He who loves his people does not tell them to go outside and face guns and tanks. He who loves his power does. #turkey

Quite.

**lily** Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:27 am

We are hearing here that it is not quite a coup......yet.

**Lamplighter** Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:26 am

It has failed. 60, mainly civilians, dead, over 1,500 soldiers arrested. Erdogan is at Istanbul airport. LL

http://www.mail.com/int/news/europe/4483224-latest-head-us-joint-chiefs-seek-contact-with-turk.html#.1258-stage-hero1-2

http://www.mail.com/int/scitech/news/4483138-ap-explains-cleric-blamed-turkey-coup-attempt.html#.1258-stage-hero1-6

**bb1** Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:14 am

I wouldn't count on anything right now, LL. It's only seemingly over because the military didn't open fire on all their fellow Turks that were called onto the streets by Edrogan.

And he's such a PoS, he's going to take revenge on the plotters.

I make no secret of the fact that I detest Edrogan, and have done for a long time; I would like nothing better than to see him thrown out of office, and Turkey returned to a secular state.

**bb1** Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:17 am

Follow

Mehmet Solmaz
‏@MhmtSlmz
#BREAKING Deputy PM Müezzinoğlu says gov't will discuss bringing back death penalty for coup plotters. #TURKEY

Oh, I must be psychic.

I do hope all those in the UK who are clutching their pearls because of the word 'coup' are aware of what an anti-democracy, pro-terrorist, power-crazy religious fundamentalist Edrogan is?

**bb1** Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:22 am

Israel Breaking ‏@IsraelBreaking 6m6 minutes ago
Hamas congratulated Turkish PM Erdogan for success against attempted military coup. Rallies held in Gaza.

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**bb1** Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:23 am

Jorge Martin ‏@marxistJorge 9h9 hours ago #TurkeyCoup fails, now will come the real coup:

See 'Gunpower Plot' for how this one works out - there's nothing new under the sun.

**Lamplighter** Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:27 am

I have Turkish friends, have spend many great holidays there. I have despaired since Erdogan got his hands on power, seeing all the good Ataturk did to drag Turkey into the modern age sidelined. That fundamentalist wife of his flaunts her wearing of the veil and says it should be mandatory, despite it being an option to wear it under secular law, most Turkish women preferring wearing western clothes without the hijab. Oh, yes, he will slaughter the soldiers, probably in public. LL

**bb1** Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:36 am

I know, LL, women in Turkey had enjoyed decades of freedom and acheivement - and he's putting them back in those damned headbags, and worse.

And has everyone forgotten Edrogan demanding GERMANS be arrested for writing rude poems about him?

I think we should all be proud that we now have a Foreign Secretary that wins prizes for pomes defending freedom of speech against horrible, terrorist-loving, islamic dictators:

Challenged to submit a poem, the Mayor of London made one up on the spot - and his limerick won the competition.
He said:

‘There was a young fellow from Ankara
'Who was a terrific w******
'Till he sowed his wild oats
'With the help of a goat
'But he didn’t even stop to thankera’.

Mr Johnson, who often highlights his Turkish heritage, said: ‘All sorts of words spill forth in a great Tourette’s stream.’
Boris Johnson repeated the assertion made by comedian, Jan Böhmermann (pictured), who was prosecuted in Germany for mocking a foreign dignitary

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3598672/Boris-Johnson-wins-1-000-writing-offensive-poem-Turkish-President-Erdogan-involves-sex-goat.html#ixzz4EYi9wDM9
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**bb1** Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:45 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-live-erdogan-dead-killed-istanbul-ankara-military-take-over-martial-law-latest-updates-a7140371.html

General Umit Dundar, Turkey's acting army chief, provided a breakdown of the death toll:
104 "coup plotters"
41 police officers
Two soldiers
47 civilians

**bb1** Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:50 am

The Int'l Spectator ‏@intlspectator 16m
BREAKING: Turkish pro-coup soldiers have taken over a frigate at the
Gölcük naval base

**bb1** Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:21 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/turkey-coup-erdogan-ankara-istanbul-military-army-turkeys-coup-may-have-failed-but-history-shows-a7140521.html

Turkey's coup may have failed – but history shows that it won't be long before another one succeeds
Too late did Erdogan realise the cost of the role he had chosen for his country – when you can no longer trust your army, there are serious issues that need to be addressed

Well worth reading, IMO.

**Lamplighter** Sat Jul 16, 2016 3:17 pm

Turkey: Mass arrests after coup bid quashed, says PM - More at link

Some 2,839 soldiers, including high-ranking officers, have been arrested over an attempted coup that is now over, says Turkey's PM Binali Yildirim.

In a night he called a "black stain on Turkish democracy", he said 161 people had been killed and 1,440 wounded.

Explosions and gunfire were heard in Ankara, Istanbul and elsewhere overnight and thousands of Turks heeded President Erdogan's call to rise up against the coup-plotters.

It is unclear who was behind the coup.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan blamed a "parallel structure", in a clear reference to Fethullah Gulen, a powerful but reclusive US-based Muslim cleric whom he accuses of fomenting unrest.

However, in a statement, Mr Gulen rejected any suggestion he had links to the events, saying he condemned "in the strongest terms, the attempted military coup in Turkey".

Some 2,745 judges have also been dismissed in the wake of the coup, state media say.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36813924

There are 41 Birmingham teachers and schoolchildren stranded at Ataturk Airport.

**bb1** Sat Jul 16, 2016 3:23 pm

Oh Lord, I can think of better places, and times, to be stranded, LL - I hope things stabilise quickly, though I would suggest this is the end of Turkey as a holiday destination?

Some 2,745 judges have also been dismissed in the wake of the coup, state media say.

Hmmm.

**Lamplighter** Sat Jul 16, 2016 3:30 pm

end of Turkey as a holiday destination?

This has happened before, 1960 Turkish coup d'état, 1971 Turkish military coup, 1980 Turkish coup d'état and 1993 alleged Turkish military coup and each time the country recovered as did the tourist trade. LL

**bb1** Sat Jul 16, 2016 3:50 pm

IMO, it's not really the Turkish military that are the problem, LL, it's the increasing islamification of Turkey. What western woman in her right mind would want to go to a country that is encouraging such backward attitudes? How could you feel safe?

And don't forget, Russians previously spent mega-bucks in Turkey - they've gone elsewhere, too.

**lily** Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:01 pm

Someone in my own circle works in Turkey on a regular basis. It is well known that Erdogan wants to be Dictator of the entire region.

A shiver ran down my spine when I read that he would treat the people involved in the failed coup mercilessly. I kind of doubt that because he is going to need a military. Maybe he will humble them so they will feel like kissing his shoes?

Turkey is in for a rough ride for quite a while.

I'm so glad I vacationed there in the past as I don't think I will any time soon.

**bb1** Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:08 pm

It's a chance worth taking for lone travellers, who want to see historical sites, etc, but for people who just want a nice family holiday in the sun?

No, not a chance I would take, personally.

**lily** Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:18 pm

Yes, Bonny, I could do that if I wanted to but until things calm down I don't think I will. I wonder how J-P's family are doing at the moment?

Incidentally, that is a really good article in the Independent that you posted. Very worthwhile.

**Sabot** Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:47 pm

I am so sorry. I did hope that The Coup would work. But don't ask me why because I have no idea. Just gut instinct, which isn't actually one of my strong points.

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