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Post  bb1 Mon Sep 01, 2014 4:06 pm

Meanwhile, in the real world, run by intelligent grown-ups:

http://rt.com/business/184176-russia-china-gas-siberian-power/

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That's one of the biggest energy projects EVER starting, without any fuss, drama or huffing and puffing.

It is, IMO, well past time the lunatics in Kiev, and the lunatics in the US, UK, NATO and EU, stopped their bl**dy nonsense, which is achieving nothing except death and destruction - and is wrecking their own economies along the way.

Why are the lunatics so terrified of eastern Ukraine having another referendum, under UN control? Are they scared the result is going to be the same as the first one, that they won't accept? There will be fewer voters this time, as hundreds of thousands of people have fled Ukraine to safety in Russia.

The lunatics in the west should be hanging their heads in shame over this and trying to find a peaceful solution, not banging the war drums to whip up the dachshund-lynching idiots.
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Post  lily Mon Sep 01, 2014 4:19 pm

It makes you wonder what their real agenda is when you think about it.....
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Post  bb1 Mon Sep 01, 2014 4:32 pm

There isn't much doubt, IMO, about what the original agenda of certain elements in Washington was, Lily - HUNTER BIDEN says it all. And I suspect the Pentagon had fantasies about mooring aircraft carriers in Sevastapol harbour.

But it's obvious to a blind man that Biden and his cronies aren't going to get to asset-strip the Donbass region, as they had planned. If anyone still has a grain of sense - which I doubt - instead of carrying on with this stupid snarling match with Russia, they should ALL be sitting round a conference table sorting this mess out without any more loss of life.

There's nothing sacred about the current Ukraine borders - it's younger than some of our members, another artificial creation. If the east wants affiliated to Russia, let them be. If the west wants to be bankrupted by the EU and IMF - well, that's their choice, too. I just hope they don't all end up begging on UK streets like so many other east Europeans who thought they were entering the Promised Land.
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Post  bb1 Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:40 pm

Nice bit of paranoia from Kiev:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2739563/Ukraine-accuses-Russia-artillery-attack-navy-Moscow-s-foreign-minister-says-immediate-ceasefire-needed-consolidate-Kremlin-gains.html

Ukraine says its military is riddled with Russian spies


With pro-Russian forces making significant gains in Ukraine, Kiev's defence minister has vowed to set up a SMERSH-style counter-intelligence agency to stop Moscow's infiltration weakening his armed forces.

Amid fears that the conflict could descend into full-scale war between the two former Soviet states, Valeriy Heletey claimed that his army is now engaged with Russian servicemen in both Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

The pro-Kremlin forces - which Kiev insists are spearheaded by Vladimir Putin's troops - have now seized control of Lugansk airport and are strengthening around Novoazovsk in Donetsk region, they claim.

The claims come as Nato leaders prepare to meet in Wales for the alliance's toughest summit since the end of the Cold War.

With his army in retreat, defence minister Heletey said he was setting up a new counter-intelligence service based on Stalin's feared SMERSH - 'death to spies' - system established in the Red Army during World War Two.

'Today like never before, it is important to get rid of the Russian 'fifth column' within the Ukrainian Armed Forces and Defence Ministry, and more importantly, in the units and regiments engaged in the Anti-Terrorist Operation,' he said.

The service 'will be somewhat similar to SMERSH and operate mainly on the front-line and in the military command bodies'.

It would 'identify and destroy enemy agents' and 'uncover instances of the non-fulfilment of military orders by commanders as well as instances of desertion'.


As any poor sod between 16 and 60 is being conscripted by Kiev, maybe they just don't fancy the idea of being killed, or killing other Ukrainians, for the enrichment of the Biden family and a shower of corrupt oligarchs?

Whatever, I really don't see setting up Kiev's version of SMERSH, doubtless run by the Right Sektor, helping much.
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Post  bb1 Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:24 pm

Oh my, look what someone has found!

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https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=2bb691b61c59be3a68180bd8c614a0cb&tab=core&_cview=1

Renovation of Sevastopol School #5, Ukraine
Solicitation Number: N33191-13-R-1240
Agency: Department of the Navy
Office: Naval Facilities Engineering Command
Location: NAVFAC Europe and Southwest Asia


Now, why the HELL did the US Navy, back in 2013, think it was going to be 'renovating schools' in Sevastopol?

Is school-repairing some new branch of the US military, like these fine chaps relaxing from their efforts at 'school repairing' in Moldova?

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There's a note at the bottom of the Sevastopol school repairing by US Navy reading:

Added: Apr 15, 2014 5:18 am
Due to the current climate in Ukraine, the subject solicitation is hereby cancelled.
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Post  lily Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:36 pm

What on earth? Shocked Shocked
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Post  bb1 Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:42 pm

Do not ask me why eastern Europe suddenly needs its schools repaired by the US military, Lily. But whatever the scheme is, it will have nothing to do with school-repairing....

I've just realised, it's US taxpayers who are footing the bill for the 'school repairing'.
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Post  lily Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:45 pm

Bonny, I got there before you as to who is footing the bill. mad
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Post  bb1 Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:46 pm

http://www.vgik-college.ru/en/article5145.html


United States Special Forces troops in agreement with the authorities of Moldova helps repair the grammar school in Chisinau №2

“In hotels in the capital really is possible to meet American troops, but not special forces, and engineering troops of North Carolina. And they are in the Republic of Moldova on a humanitarian mission,” - said NOI.md the spokesman of the Ministry of Defence of the Republic of Moldova Alla Diaconu.

Some media reported that in Chisinau Jolly Alon hotel there were people dressed in military form the United States[/[t:tag slug=shtat]States. On the chest of camouflage was written “US ARMY“, and, according to the author, the American soldiers were dressed not only in military uniform of the American army, this form belongs to the Special Forces - Special Forces USA.

By note of news agencies, the press service of the Ministry of Defence have been surprised by the fact the appearance of American troops and allegedly promised to find out what was wrong. “We did call yesterday, a journalist, and I explained to him that it was not any special forces, and military engineering troops of North Carolina USA. Under the current agreement between Moldova and the United States of friendship and cooperation, they help repair the metropolitan high school boarding №2. Will stay American troops in the country until September, “- she specified.

15 August 2014


So, no schools need repairing in the US - indeed, in North Carolina? Are people expected to believe this bullsh*t? I wonder how many school repairers there are currently in Eastern Ukraine?
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Post  lily Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:55 pm

No. Bonny. There are no money shortages and things needing fixed over here. There are no schools in disrepair, no people who cannot afford health care. No veterans having to wait for months to be seen by the military hospital, no people who cannot afford to feed or shelter themselves. No worries about water being relocated in the Western States so that people can have that. Nothing really.

We love to have our taxes raised and raised......just like you guys.

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Post  bb1 Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:59 pm

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-01/everyone-saying-russia-isolated-heres-map

While NATO is happy to provide Russia with geographical advice, we thought the following map of "the world" will help explain President Obama's increased use of the term "isolated" when it comes to Russia...

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Quite. I would have thought even our western lunatics would have realised they blow their own feet off every time they churn out more 'sanctions'.

And I love the irony of China and Russia doing trading deals that are pure capitalism, and building a whole new monetary/banking bloc. Not to mention all those South American countries Washington has insulted and regime-changed over the years having a huge new market for their produce.

While Washington prints money to stave off disaster, and the EU sinks further into recession and gloom, whilst telling us what kind of hairdrier and vacuum cleaner we may, or may not use.
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Post  lily Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:04 pm

I think we can see the writing on the wall?
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Post  bb1 Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:21 pm

Can you imagine what the reaction in Washington would be if Russian troops were in Mexico to 'repair schools'?
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Post  lily Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:35 pm

Definitely. The Pres might challenge Putin to a game of golf.....
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Post  bb1 Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:39 pm

True. rofl rofl rofl
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Post  lily Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:45 pm

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Post  bb1 Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:02 am

http://www.infowars.com/ex-nsa-director-us-intelligence-veterans-write-open-letter-to-merkel-to-avoid-all-out-ukraine-war/

EX-NSA DIRECTOR, US INTELLIGENCE VETERANS WRITE OPEN LETTER TO MERKEL TO AVOID ALL-OUT UKRAINE WAR
Senior U.S. Intelligence Officers: Beware Flimsy “Intelligence”


An excellent piece, by people who DO know what they are talking about. And a reminder that the people who are lying now, have lied before, and led the world into disaster, death and ruin. Like that Danish idiot:

Experience With Untruth

Hopefully, your advisers have reminded you of NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen’s checkered record for credibility. It appears to us that Rasmussen’s speeches continue to be drafted by Washington. This was abundantly clear on the day before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq when, as Danish Prime Minister, he told his Parliament: “Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. This is not something we just believe. We know.”


Foggy Rasmussen = liar liar liar

Ten days later, as they became encircled and/or retreated, a ready-made excuse for this was to be found in the “Russian invasion.” That is precisely when the fuzzy photos were released by NATO and reporters like the New York Times’ Michael Gordon were set loose to spread the word that “the Russians are coming.” (Michael Gordon was one of the most egregious propagandists promoting the war on Iraq.)

Beggars belief that anyone is falling for these warmongering liars all over again. I can't remember which particular images of the 'Russian invasion' turned out to have been taken from a WoW video game; it was terrifying to see there were some that actually believed the images were genuine.
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Post  bb1 Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:16 am

Also here:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-01/ex-nsa-director-us-intelligence-veterans-write-open-letter-merkel-avoid-all-out-ukra

I doubt if there is much chance of seeing that in the Mail or on the BBC, they're too busy banging war drums. I wonder if any of the signatories have been purged by Obama - they seem too sensible to breath the same air as the lunatics currently in power in Washington.

William Binney, former Technical Director, World Geopolitical & Military Analysis, NSA; co-founder, SIGINT Automation Research Center (ret.)
David MacMichael, National Intelligence Council (ret.)
Ray McGovern, former US Army infantry/intelligence officer & CIA analyst (ret.)
Elizabeth Murray, Deputy National Intelligence Officer for Middle East (ret.)
Todd E. Pierce, MAJ, US Army Judge Advocate (Ret.)
Coleen Rowley, Division Counsel & Special Agent, FBI (ret.)
Ann Wright, Col., US Army (ret.); Foreign Service Officer (resigned)
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Post  bb1 Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:18 pm

It's a pleasure to see a more truthful report on the war in the east in CNN:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/02/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

Misery in Ukraine as deadly conflict drives civilians from homes

It's a good job the old Soviet Union built all those bomb shelters in the area in case the Cold War ever went hot. I am sure the irony of Ukrainians now having to use them to shelter from their own government, courtesy of Washington, has been noticed.....
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Post  lily Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:07 pm

It is heartbreaking to read about all those poor people are going through. I guess the sale of misery is a booming industry for some. mad
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Post  bb1 Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:22 pm

It's absolutely disgraceful, Lily. That's why I was glad to see CNN reporting something resembling the truth. The sooner people realise that this is happening solely for the enrichment of parasites like Hunter Biden, the better.
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Post  lily Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:25 pm

Greed is an awful sickness....
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Post  bb1 Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:27 pm

Ukraine urgently needs IMF loans to support its budget and prop up its faltering currency as its debts come up for repayment.

Borrowing money to pay loans is a disaster for individuals; for a country, it's a recipe for disaster, IMO. The whole thing is complete insanity. What was in Nuland's cookies - LSD?
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Post  bb1 Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:29 pm

Povoroznyk said the government had the will to carry out these reforms, but most overcome opposition from special interests in the bureaucracy and business world that have profited from siphoning off state funds.

Is that a polite way of saying, The oligarchs are swiping all the money being loaned by the west? Surely no-one is surprised?
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