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Post  Lamplighter Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:42 am

 (Reuters) - Islamic State released a video on Sunday that appeared to show the beheadings of 21 Egyptian Christians in Libya and President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi warned that his country would respond to the deaths as it saw fit.

Speaking on national television hours after the release of the video, Sisi said Cairo would choose the "necessary means and timing to avenge the criminal killings".

Egypt's state news agency MENA quoted the spokesman for the Coptic Church as confirming that 21 Egyptian Christians believed to be held by Islamic State were dead.

The beheadings could stiffen Sisi's resolve in dealing with security threats from militants thriving in neighboring Libya's chaos who want to topple his U.S.-backed government.

Egypt has denied reports in the past that it had taken part, along with its close ally the United Arab Emirates, in air strikes against militants based in Libya.

The footage showing the deaths of the Egyptians appeared on the Twitter feed of a website that supports Islamic State, which has seized parts of Iraq and Syria and has also beheaded Western hostages.

In the video, militants in black marched the captives, dressed in orange jump suits, to a beach the group said was near Tripoli. They were forced down onto their knees, then beheaded.

A caption on the five-minute video read: "The people of the cross, followers of the hostile Egyptian church." Before the killings, one of the militants stood with a knife in his hand and said: "Safety for you crusaders is something you can only wish for."

Thousands of Egyptians desperate for work have traveled to Libya since an uprising at home in 2011, despite advice from their government not to go to a country sliding into lawlessness.

Sisi, who met with the country's top military commanders to discuss the killings, called for a seven-day mourning period, state television reported.

The Coptic Church said it was confident the government would seek justice. Al Azhar, the center of Islamic learning in Egypt, said no religion would accept such "barbaric" acts.

The families of the kidnapped workers had urged Cairo to help secure their release. In the mostly impoverished southerly Minya Governorate, relatives screamed and fainted upon hearing news of the deaths.

CONCERNS ABOUT LIBYA

Egypt, the most populous Arab state, has not taken part directly in the U.S.-led air strikes against Islamic State targets in Iraq and Syria, focusing instead on the increasingly complex insurgency within its own borders.

Militants based in Libya have made contact with Sinai Province, a group operating from Egypt's Sinai Peninsula that has changed its name from Ansar Beyt al-Maqdis and pledged allegiance to Islamic State.

The group has killed hundreds of Egyptian soldiers and police since the army toppled Islamist president Mohamed Mursi in 2013 after mass protests against his rule.

With Libya caught in a chaotic power struggle between two rival factions operating their own governments, Western officials worry that Islamist militants are taking advantage of the turmoil to strengthen their presence.

A number of Islamist militant groups have been active since the fall of Muammar Gaddafi in 2011 left Libya without a strong central government. A few have declared ties to the radical Islamic State and claimed high-profile attacks over recent weeks in what appears to be an intensifying campaign.

Fears that the crisis in neighboring Libya could spill across the border have prompted Egypt to upgrade its military hardware. French President Francois Hollande has said Egypt will order 24 Rafale fighter jets, a naval frigate and related military equipment in a deal to be signed in Cairo on Monday worth more than 5 billion euros ($5.7 billion).

Bahrain sends warplanes to Jordan to fight Islamic State  http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/15/us-mideast-crisis-bahrain-idUSKBN0LJ12T20150215
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Post  bb1 Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:05 am

Latest news is that Egypt has acted, LL:

http://news.sky.com/story/1428223/egypt-bombs-libya-targets-after-beheadings

Egypt Bombs Libya Targets After Beheadings
The dawn attack comes a day after video emerged purporting to show the killings of 21 Egyptians by black-clad militants.

Egypt's military says it has bombed targets in Libya, a day after a video purporting to show the beheading of 21 Egyptians was released by Islamic State-inspired combatants.

The attack, in which Libya's air force also took part, focused on camps, training sites and weapons storage areas across the border between the two countries.

A Libyan air force commander, quoted by Egyptian state television, said 40-50 militants were killed.

A spokesman for Egypt's Armed Forces General Command said the strikes were "to avenge the bloodshed and to seek retribution from the killers".

"Let those far and near know that Egyptians have a shield that protects them," the statement added.


More at link, including Cameron and Washington wringing their hands.
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Post  Lamplighter Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:39 am

Others should take note that to an Egyption, your nationality comes first and attacks on Egyptians are treated as attacks on the nation as a whole. The fact that the dead are Copts and not Muslim takes second place. IS will regret what they did. LL
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Post  bb1 Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:49 am

The fact that the dead are Copts and not Muslim takes second place


And quite right too, LL. The world should thank the Egyptian military for throwing out the Muslim Brotherhood - can you imagine what north Africa and the Middle East would be like now if they hadn't?

I freely admit that Sisi is somewhat heavy-handed, as in locking up AJ staff on fairly bizarre charges but hopefully that will stop as the situations stabilizes; the alternative doesn't bear thinking about.

There would have been a bloodbath from Libya to Syria if Egypt hadn't stopped the takeover.
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Post  Lamplighter Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:58 am

Sisi inherited a morass - and he's having to use occasional unorthodox methods to try and clear up the mess Morsi created. As I have Egyptian friends I will be watching even more closely what happens next. LL
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Post  bb1 Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:01 am

http://beforeitsnews.com/tea-party/2015/02/oliver-north-obama-refused-to-help-jordan-egypt-with-intelligence-on-isis-targets-video-2547624.html

That's an interesting piece. Certainly, I saw infuriated Egyptians on everything from RT to Fox yesterday - infuriated by Obama's ambivalent attitude to the problem, and his ongoing attempts to undermine the Egyptian government by inviting men closely linked to the Muslim Brotherhood to the White House recently.
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Post  bb1 Tue Feb 17, 2015 6:51 pm

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That's worked out well, hasn't it?
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Post  bb1 Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:14 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/17/state-department-spokeswoman-floats-jobs-as-answer-to-isis/

What the West really needs to take on the Islamic State is ... a jobs program.

That's what a top State Department spokeswoman suggested when asked in a TV interview Monday night about what the U.S.-led coalition is doing to stop the slaughter of civilians by Islamic State militants across the region.

"We're killing a lot of them, and we're going to keep killing more of them. ... But we cannot win this war by killing them," department spokeswoman Marie Harf said on MSNBC's "Hardball." "We need ... to go after the root causes that leads people to join these groups, whether it's lack of opportunity for jobs, whether --"

At that point, Harf was interrupted by host Chris Matthews, who pointed out, "There's always going to be poor people. There's always going to be poor Muslims."

Harf continued to argue that the U.S. should work with other countries to "help improve their governance" and "help them build their economies so they can have job opportunities for these people."


Calling that airhead a cretin is an insult to cretins.

IT'S THE IDEOLOGY, STUPID.
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Post  bb1 Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:09 pm

http://www.infowars.com/obama-to-give-isis-ability-to-order-airstrikes/

The Obama administration is preparing to equip the so-called “moderate” Syrian rebels with the ability to order U.S. air strikes despite the group’s admitted allegiance to the Islamic State.

Members of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) will be provided with radios to call in strikes from American B-1B bombers as well as pickup trucks with mounted machine guns as the president puts the final touches on plans to train as many as 3,000 rebels in Jordan and Turkey by the end of 2015.


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Best thing Jordan could do is kick the Americans out - hasn't it dawned yet that the Obama regime is NOT on the same side as them?

Just last September, a commander with the FSA admitted to fighting alongside several terrorist organizations in the region including the Islamic State.

“We are collaborating with the Islamic State and the Nusra Front by attacking the Syrian Army’s gatherings in… Qalamoun,” Bassel Idriss, commander of an FSA-run rebel brigade, said. “Let’s face it: The Nusra Front is the biggest power present right now in Qalamoun and we as FSA would collaborate on any mission they launch as long as it coincides with our values.”

Jamal Maarouf, the leader of the Syrian Revolutionary Front (SRF), also told reporters last April that his fighters regularly worked with Al Qaeda and Al-Nusra as well.

During the same time period it was reported that “several factions within the FSA, including Ahl Al Athar, Ibin al-Qa’im,” decided to hand their weapons over to the Islamic State before pledging their allegiance to the group.

An Islamic State fighter speaking with Al-Jazeera in 2013 revealed that the FSA regularly sold its weapons to them shortly after they would receive shipments from the U.S.

“We are buying weapons from the FSA,” Abu Atheer said. “We bought 200 anti-aircraft missiles and Koncourse anti tank weapons. We have good relations with our brothers in the FSA.”
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Post  bb1 Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:43 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/18/state-department-spokeswoman-call-for-using-jobs-to-combat-terror-too-nuanced/

State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf, after coming under fire for suggesting a way to fight the Islamic State and all terrorism is by creating jobs, has an answer for her critics: Her argument is just "too nuanced" for them to understand.


Yes, because what psycho would want to slaughter people horribly, sell teenagers as slaves, star in glossy videos, etc., when they could be flipping burgers at McD's for minimum wage? Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

No wonder the world is in such a mess.
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Post  lily Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:17 pm

I give up......
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Post  bb1 Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:32 pm

It gets worse....

http://www.infowars.com/obama-suggests-islamic-extremists-have-legitimate-grievances/


President Obama suggested that radical Islamic groups such as ISIS, which beheads Christians and other Muslims for not obeying Sharia Law, can only be stopped if governments are willing to listen to their “legitimate grievances.”

“Governments that deny human rights play into the hands of extremists who claim that violence is the only way to achieve change,” he wrote in his op/ed published last night by the L.A. Times. “Efforts to counter violent extremism will only succeed if citizens can address legitimate grievances through the democratic process and express themselves through strong civil societies.”

Come on, how does ISIS, which subjects women to abnormal sex acts through forced marriages, executes children for watching soccer and beheads Christians using cinder blocks and machetes have “legitimate grievances?”

Here’s its grievance in a nutshell: obey Sharia Law or be brutally executed.
...more at link.

Well, he wouldn't want to offend his co-religionists, would he?
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Post  bb1 Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:44 pm

Oh my....

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-18/wesley-clark-isis-got-started-through-funding-our-friends-allies


General Wesley Clark: "ISIS Got Started Through Funding From Our Friends & Allies"

Hmm. Wonder who that could be?
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Post  lily Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:53 pm

bb1 wrote:Oh my....

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-18/wesley-clark-isis-got-started-through-funding-our-friends-allies


General Wesley Clark: "ISIS Got Started Through Funding From Our Friends & Allies"

Hmm. Wonder who that could be?

Its on the tip of my tongue.... mad mad mad mad
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Post  bb1 Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:56 pm

I wonder, it wouldn't be the non-Muslim country right in the middle of this maelstrom, that seems remarkably untroubled by the headchopping crazies on its doorstep, would it? Pcorneater
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Post  lily Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:07 pm

You mean the one with the hard hitting premier?
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Post  Lamplighter Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:27 pm

Hmmm, now what's the name of that warmongering momser - seen him flapping his lips quite a lot, does a lot of inviting ....    LL

Found this - xxxxhttp://www.countercurrents.org/chuckman201014.htm
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Post  bb1 Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:39 pm

Good find, LL, that is an excellent piece.

the people of Syria are fighting armed madmen owing in part to Israel’s dark collusion,

Right from the start of this latest horror, there have been repeated stories about Israeli hospitals taking in wounded ISIS fighters. Are they? I don't know, as far as I am aware, these stories have never made it into the MSM, so it's impossible to verify. The rumours are persistent, though.

Certainly, when Israel bombed Syria recently, it didn't bomb ISIS. Heavens no, Israel bombed the soldiers fighting ISIS.

Go figure.
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Post  Lamplighter Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:45 pm

I have been wondering why ISIS has not attacked Israel, supposedly the arch enemy of all Islam. If the Israelis have a iota of commen sense they will do to him what was done to Yitzhak Rabin in 1970 (I think that was the year he was assassinated). LL
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Post  bb1 Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:48 pm

There's this bizarre story, too:

http://news.sky.com/story/1429646/islamic-state-accused-of-harvesting-organs

Iraq's ambassador to the UN has asked it to look at claims Islamic State is harvesting human organs as a way of financing its terror campaign.

Bodies with surgical incisions and missing kidneys, or other body parts, have been found in shallow mass graves over the past few weeks, Mohamed Alhakim told the media.

"We have bodies. Come and examine them," he said. "It is clear they are missing certain parts."

A dozen doctors had been "executed" in Mosul for refusing to participate in the practice, he added.

Mr Alhakim accused IS of "crimes of genocide" by targeting certain ethnic groups as he briefed the UN Security Council on the overall situation in Iraq


More at link.

The same allegations have been made about certain elements in the government forces in Ukraine, strangely enough, involving those units run by dual-nationality oligarchs.

Is there any truth in it? I have no idea. I hope not, because that is a whole new world of horror.
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Post  bb1 Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:51 pm

Rabin was 1995, LL, are you thinking of some other assassinated Middle East Leader? I know, it is odd that Israel isn't worried about ISIS. Indeed, Netenyahu is running round telling European Jews to emigrate to Israel because of ISIS in Europe.

It's one more hinky thing in this vile mess.
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Post  Lamplighter Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:00 pm

bb1 wrote:Rabin was 1995, LL, are you thinking of some other assassinated Middle East Leader? I know, it is odd that Israel isn't worried about ISIS. Indeed, Netenyahu is running round telling European Jews to emigrate to Israel because of ISIS in Europe.

It's one more hinky thing in this vile mess.
Sorry, got the date wrong - he was PM twice. LL
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Post  lily Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:36 pm

I don't like any of this at all......what is Bibi planning, apart from having all Jews return to Israel.
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Post  bb1 Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:44 pm

I don't know, Lily. I hope he doesn't stage an 'attack' to terrify Israelis into re-electing him.
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Post  lily Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:04 pm

I do too, Bonny. What a complicated mess........
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