Re: Not the window! Pat .. THE FRONT DOOR !

**sadie** Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:36 pm

Wonder what they would think in the Good ole US of A if they could see what a mess she is making of it.

Maybe she would lose her adoring audience?

One thing that I do know is that her sort will make money out of it whether they make a mess or not. That is one thing they are good at, making money and self projection as something wonderful ... and suckers believe them

**sadie** Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:38 pm

Sabot wrote:Pat Brown might actually have made a few bob if she had tried Profiling The Abductor. As it is she has just made a colossal fool of herself.

Good idea, sabot. She could get off the rack doing that. She will get it wrong, of course, but no-one will know until he is caught.

**greenink211** Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:15 pm

sadie wrote:
Maggs wrote:
The garden wall that you see going down to the left is quite high. There used to be a photograph of this garden wall with a PJ /GNR officer standing right by it and it was well above his head, so at the front door end it is probably well over 2 metres high on Rua FGM side. This photograph appears to have been whooshed. Anyone got a copy, please?

Here's a few pic's, Sadie.

ETA By these pic's the wall isn't very high though!

I love that pictiure of the front door.

It really shows just how recessed the door is.. To the left of the door/porch is the back of the kitchen and to the right is the childrens' bedroom. I haven't been inside, but IIRC there is a small open ended hall which is open plan with the living room betond. I am quite experienced at reading plans and understanding shape having spent 7 years on an engineering design drawing board and also later having been an Art teacher.

In the lower picture, see how the alcove is turned away, set at an angle. That recess and angle is why one has to be almost immediately in front of the door in order to see it ... and the reason why anyone walking diagonally across the car park to their apartment from the car park entrance cannot see the front door.

Of course as i have mentioned earlier, there is a damned high wall (about 2 metres+ high?) when looking at 5A from Rua Dr FGM and the direction of Murats house (looking from the east in a westerly direction).

Just need that photo of the outer side of that wall with the police officer standing by it to prove everything. The crazy thing is that from that walkway this wall I am talking about looks only about 3 or 4 feet high (Just over a metre for our metric friends).

That means that up by the front door, the outer garden wall is holding back about another metre of ground from the incline of the road. The walkway is built up that much.

Gawd it is difficult to explain 3 dimensional things. Bet none of you understood the last two paragraphs

Thank you, thankyou, thankyou, Maggs

Another photo which I think helps explain your point.

Not the window! Pat .. THE FRONT DOOR ! - Page 2 Img_0410

**sadie** Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:00 am

Thankyou, Greenink. That illustrates the differences in the levels between walkway and parking lot VERY well.

With the outer perimeter wall, on the eastern side of the parking lot, there is MUCH greater disparity in levels. I am talking about from the slope that is Rua Dr FGM to the walkway level at the front door of 5A. There must be at least a metre difference. Pity that the photograph with the PJ/GNR officers up against the perimeter wall appears to have been whooshed. Anything that is whooshed is suspicious in my mind.

PT is a beautful country, but some of its main attractions, its beautiful ancient cities, are built on very steep hills. Both Lisboa and Porto are full of wonderful historical buildings, but most of the city is on hills. Porto especially.

More about Porto later.

**lily** Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:27 am

Wonder what they would think in the Good ole US of A if they could see what a mess she is making of it.

Maybe she would lose her adoring audience?

She doesn't have an adoring audience, Sadie. She is not on TV much and is relegated to appearances counted in seconds.

I think she's never received so much attention as when she popped into forums and started blogging for folks in the UK/Pt.

In an attempt to put it (fame) into some perspective for you, when Victoria Beckham moved to L.A., she was, at first, a small fish in a big pond.

**sadie** Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:07 am

Thanks for the perspective, Lily thumbsup

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