More Barrel-scraping as Gonc discusses psychics and soil probes, LOL

Things must be desperate - this has appeared on the Morais blog. Hilariously, it's Gonc and the supposedly-ill Flores the Mason trying to spin a story out of those Canadian psychics

I've changed the pic that goes with it, but as Morais does that to the McCanns all the time, it must be OK.

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2012/03/maddie-case-goncalo-amaral-returns-to.html



From 0:00 to 2:10 – Extracts from “Até à Verdade”[To the Truth] show where two Canadians psychics share their experiences regarding Madeleine McCann case with Rita Ferro Rodrigues (English).
2:10 – Extract from that same show with Criminologist Francisco Moita Flores [FMF] comment: “It is surprising for someone to discover the golf course and a ravine, a ravine with a steep downslide… I don’t know, I believe the ravine is important. I would look at it again.

Rita Ferro Rodrigues [RFR]: Francisco, if you were the investigator you would look at it again?

FMF: It’s always good to have a look again, regardless of the provenance of the information, where one has searched before.

2:40 – Cut to Júlia Pinheiro’s morning talk show.

Júlia Pinheiro [JP]: Those were the mediums of “Até à Verdade” on the Madeleine McCann case. Hello, Hernâni.

Hernâni Carvalho [HC]: Good afternoon, dear Júlia.

JP: Good afternoon, dear Hernâni. Would you like to make a comment on the information that we just watched?

HC: They are very interesting… In Portugal there is a certain scepticism regarding this kind of people. I do not have to hold an opinion on that at least that is not the important issue, in my opinion. And it is not important, because, either the institutions are useful with all the methods that they use or they are not, that is, there were at certain moments people who wanted to request the help of the FBI to assist the investigation. Well, we should start by saying that the FBI does seek advice from psychics in difficult cases. So, either…

3:30: [Lower Third] Maddie disappeared almost five years ago…

JP: In the Anglo-Saxon culture, namely in England, that also happens.

HC: Exactly.

JP: Specifically these same mediums.

HC: Precisely. In England, and in Canada, as you said, in the Anglo-Saxon culture this is also used.

JP: These gentlemen are Canadian.

HC: It should be said that Scotland Yard also works with people that allege that they feel those things, and in Canada the authorities that make criminal investigations also consult that kind of people. In the European continent it is uncommon; however, it is known that some police forces have used mediums, in a more or less overtly manner. The Judiciary Police itself did listen to things, texts, opinions of people who say that they have, let us say, this sensations…

JP: We have Gonçalo Amaral sitting next to you.
04:40 – [Lower Third] To follow: Gonçalo Amaral returns to Praia da Luz.

HC: Exactly, this was just until he arrived.

JP: Who coordinated the entire investigation. This was just a warm up until he arrived. [Laughs]

HC: So, without wishing to give my opinion relatively to what psychics may feel or not, since we now have here the responsible for the investigation, the first question that I will make him is…

JP: Good afternoon.

Gonçalo Amaral [GA]: Good afternoon.

HC: And the first question is, Gonçalo, did you receive or not information from these people who have a special “phone” to the other side and if you did, did you take that into account or not?

GA: In cases like this one, it is very common for messages to appear, several information, some of which were staggering for the… – for example, a drawing that I remember, an image, it was a figure of a person who resembles someone who would appear in the case. Later on, I am able to say who it was. Nevertheless, we the investigators are men of facts. We rely on facts, in indicia, and we are to some extent sceptic regarding these situations.

HC: So you received that kind of information?

GA: Lots and lots of information, just like the family, who also received, who pondered about a few and even delivered emails and other things to the Judiciary Police, saying were the body could be or where it could have been placed - the Madeleine McCann family. There was something initially, you’ve spoken about the FBI early on, when we considered requesting the FBI assistance, the FBI was always… - the FBI which is an US agency for criminal investigations - …was always willing to help. There was a set back by the National Directorate of the Judiciary Police, due to a possible clash with the English police that was working with us and the arrival of the FBI, but the first thing the FBI wanted to do initially was to send us a, let us call it, a clairvoyant, a medium that works with them. Which was…

JP: That was the FBI first procedural step?

GA: Immediately, in the first days. However, I believe the National Directorate…

JP: It was SIC who brought them; six years later SIC took care of that. [Laughs]

GA: But it was not those gentlemen [reference to the Canadian mediums who appeared in “Até à Verdade” show].

JP: No, it wasn’t them, it was a woman. They collaborate with investigations in the US and in Canada, which is where they live and where they are university professors in a university where these lines of investigations are seen as pertinent. Whilst in reality, in our southern European culture is not [seen as relevant]. But let’s move to the facts, Gonçalo Amaral spoke about facts. In May it will be the 5th anniversary of Madeleine McCann's disappearance, fact. Gonçalo Amaral and Hernâni Carvalho returned to Praia da Luz and to the ravine, the one mentioned by the mediums in the “Até à Verdade” show. Let’s watch it.


07:14: Cut to Hernâni Carvalho at the top of the ravine, in Praia da Luz. [Lower Third] “Maddie Case”: Gonçalo Amaral returns to Praia da Luz!


Stopped at 07:14 – to follow/work in progress [WIP]

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Might have known Carvalho would be somewhere around - Gonc only seems to know four people.

Desperate stuff, though - and I suggest they don't tell anyone in Quebec that Canada is 'Anglo-Saxon'..........

I see Morais has done something useful for once - she has objected to textusa's ongoing, vile attack on the late Mrs Fenn. I have no intention of repeating textusa's disgusting remarks, save to say that textusa is providing yet more evidence of just how sick in the head he/she/it is.

Joana Morais said...
Explica-me como se eu fosse realmente estúpida porque, muito honestamente, não percebo onde é que queres chegar com isto? Prometo ler o post do 'Natal' para te tentar entender, mas acho de um incrível mau gosto usar a Senhora Fenn, falecida, para provar um qualquer argumento, que até agora e pelo menos para mim, não é discernível.

Joana M.

Which Mr Google says is:

Joan Mitchell said ...
Explain to me like I was really stupid because, quite honestly, I do not understand where you want to go with this? I promise to read the post from 'Christmas' to try to understand you, but I think an incredible bad taste to use Ms. Fenn, deceased, to prove any one argument so far and at least for me, is not discernible.

Joan M.

So what's that all about? Who stopped The FBI? And who invited The FBI in the first place? I mean, what's it got to do with them?

Well Sabot. Gonc wanted to widen the investigation so he sent Levy to that meeting with the FBI? So, better ask Kyle?

- the FBI which is an US agency for criminal investigations - …was always willing to help. There was a set back by the National Directorate of the Judiciary Police, due to a possible clash with the English police that was working with us and the arrival of the FBI, but the first thing the FBI wanted to do initially was to send us a, let us call it, a clairvoyant, a medium that works with them. Which was…

JP: That was the FBI first procedural step?

GA: Immediately, in the first days. However, I believe the National Directorate…

Is he drunk again? Because - have you ever, ever, heard anything so stupid?

The FBI's first step when a child goes missing is to send for a psychic? Who knew that

And when did the FBI get involved, anyway?

Does Gonc remember what, according to Morais, he apparently said on TV?

That the FBI arrived and wanted to use a psychic but there was some kind of clash with the 'English' police?

It is absolute, palpable nonsense.

Hi Vimes. Thank you for your answer that I will email to Levy in New York. I dont believe that he will take any action against the Sunday Express because he works like in the old faction way: he respects his colleagues even when they make mistakes. Even when the guy from The People was paid to write about him, he refused to ask for compensation on that. Anyway, I will give him your suggestion.
On the other hand he is probably too busy in US because he is making a special report with the FBI about Maddie case.
All the best.
Kyle


What does Gonc think 'FBI' stands for? Fat Barstewards International?

JP: In the Anglo-Saxon culture, namely in England, that also happens.

What? Can anyone produce a single crime, in England, that has been 'solved' by a psychic?

Seriously, I don't want to hear a single word out of Morais about 'xenophobia' ever again after reading this balderdash about the superstitious 'Anglo Saxons'.

Not to mention the stunning ignorance of people who do not seem to know that Canada is largely French-speaking.

but the first thing the FBI wanted to do initially was to send us a, let us call it, a clairvoyant, a medium that works with them. Which was…

So, they recommended Paiva?

Ah right, the FBI psychics were busy, so they gave Paiva a crash course in dream interpreting

Right. So Levy works for The FBI as a Speshul Agent. And he wuz helping Gonc stitch up......sorry.....solve The Case, but The PJ wouldn't let him. I didn't know that.
I wish I had paid more attention at the time, but I thought it was just a pile of bollox.

My sides are hurting but yes, they did, Bonny.

Morais really should read her own blog:

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/11/madeleine-mccann-haunting-evidenceor-no.html

Three 'psychics' claiming to be linked to the FBI did indeed decide to get their 15 minutes of fame.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id183.html

Three American clairvoyants from hit US show 'Haunting Evidence' travelled to the Algarve, in January 2008, in an attempt to find Madeleine. The trio use their "powers" to visit the scenes of crimes and speak to people "from beyond the grave".

Gerry and Kate McCann decided not to take up an offer to co-operate with the show - which has been described as a 'sick TV stunt'.

The programme was first screened in the US in October 2008.




and:

The investigators are Carla Brown, a clairvoyant specialist in profiling, John J Oliver, a medium, and Patrick Burns, a paranormal investigator and presenter of the show.

They had as much to do with the FBI as Brown - a bit like Brown meets Ghostbusters


So, Gonc not only thought they were real, he also forgot what year all this happened in?

Is Textusa saying that Mrs. Fenn was IN IT? But, why ever not. There are only about six people in The World who aren't IN IT.

Incidentally, Mrs. Fenn never said that she hadn't given a statement to The PJ. She just said that she had never spoken to journalists, and what they printed never came from her. Just more made up stuff.

Morais has translated more of this woeful effort; frankly, I am surprised she wants this to be seen, as it is woeful. Now they're on about blue bags or something - yes, honest, they are!

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2012/03/maddie-case-goncalo-amaral-returns-to.html

HC: Some of the key points mentioned in the TV program broadcast by SIC a few days ago were precisely the beach and this ravine, and also a golf course and all that makes sense with a thesis emerged in May 2007, that said that the little girl could have been carried inside a sports bag or in a golf bag, brought trough the golf course to this ravine and then thrown here. Moita Flores said, in that show, that in doubt he would also come back here. Gonçalo Amaral, what did the police do here in Praia da Luz?

GA: In the first night, searches were made using sniffer dogs, with the help of the public, and all of this area was searched, here…

HC: But also the rocks down here?

GA: Yes, in the rocks down here, at the base of this ravine, probe rods were used to search in the sand and in the soil in the ravine’s base, in order to release eventual odours of cadaver, and nothing was detected. Aerial searches were conducted in the first days as well as at the planning, the planning was preceded by an assessment, let us call it, an overview of the entire area by a helicopter that was ceded by the civil protection of Faro, and nothing was detected. As to that hypothesis, of throwing a body - and I recall that the little girl’s weight would be about 30 kilos – from here to the sea, I would say that is impossible. Notice that the sea is not immediately beneath here, the ravine does not have a vertical steep, there is a vertical grade and the sea is still far away. A great strength or almost a gigantic person would be needed for the body to fall in the sea, and in the deep sea. There are photos, taken in the rocks down bellow in the water, were we can see searching, certainly he was not searching for his live daughter…

HC: Are you referring to Maddie’s father?

GA: To Gerald McCann. Maddie’s father.

HC: He was walking around here, in the rocks bellow?

GA: Yes, there are pictures of that.





HC: But in that case, he would have to have the firm belief that the girl was dead.

GA: I do not believe that he was looking for crabs nor searching for a live daughter.


Stopped at 09:12 – to follow/work in progress [WIP]

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Ker-ching!

Seriously, has Gonc lost his last few marbles?

They had as much to do with the FBI as Brown - a bit like Brown meets Ghostbusters



So, Gonc not only thought they were real, he also forgot what year all this happened in?



He hears voices I tell you. The spirit speaks to him but it only happens when he is in a deep state of drunken stupor relaxation.

Sabot wrote:
Is Textusa saying that Mrs. Fenn was IN IT? But, why ever not. There are only about six people in The World who aren't IN IT.

Incidentally, Mrs. Fenn never said that she hadn't given a statement to The PJ. She just said that she had never spoken to journalists, and what they printed never came from her. Just more made up stuff.

IN IT? The late Mrs Fenn WAS IT, according to textusa. I am not repeating any of its vile, spiteful imaginings - the less that is picked up by bots, the better.

Amazing how they contort themselves so as to cover for Gonc's incompetence, isn't it?

Well, I have to tell you that I am amazed. I never thought that an elderly lady would help The McCanns in a Cover Up. Silly me, I should off known. The McCanns would never off gotten off with it without her help.

PS. I hope The Dogs searched her appartment.

PPS. Oh My God. Did Mrs. Fenn have a Freezer?

Hounder:


very interesting that they got GA to talk about this location and I dont remember this info and photos of Gerry searching in the water!!??

Really? So the hounder didn't know that those photos have been in the public domain since GETTY IMAGES took them?

Just goes to show they can't see properly with hate goggles on - they surely didn't think this was some kind of new discovery by Gonc?

Gonc sez:

GA: In the first night, searches were made using sniffer dogs, with the help of the public, and all of this area was searched, here…

HC: But also the rocks down here?

GA: Yes, in the rocks down here, at the base of this ravine, probe rods were used to search in the sand and in the soil in the ravine’s base, in order to release eventual odours of cadaver, and nothing was detected.


probe rods were used to search in the sand and in the soil

Really? Who knew that? Grime mentions no such thing...I cannot find any reference to this happening until Gonc makes this pronouncement.

Know what I think? I think he's been watching Law and Order or CSI, and seen what they do, and decided that was what he did, too.

I am, of course, happy to be proven wrong, if anyone can find a reference to this being done.

It's odd, though, from what Gonc has come out with in the course of this, it's pretty clear that Madeleine vanished without a trace.

Just as if she had been abducted.......

I'm sorry, I have gone through the statements by the Portuguese dog handlers who did those first searches:

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic18-20.html

They are detailed, thorough - just as they should be.

But not a word anywhere about 'probes'.

Why, it's almost as if it never happened......

But not a word anywhere about 'probes'.

Why, it's almost as if it never happened......

Oh dear. Gonc's drink addled brain speaking again?

Here's Flores the Mason on the show:



Doesn't look 'ill' to me. He looks as hail and hearty as when he said, of Kate McCann:

MF – Things were different in my time. She would have been under such an attack that before she realised anything, she'd be in jail.

There are photos, taken in the rocks down bellow in the water, were we can see searching, certainly he was not searching for his live daughter…


Really? Why would that be, then? Has Gonc developed telepathic skills, along with his sudden interest in all things psychic?

Bit of a dangerous statement, that one.......

Very dangerous statement. What a fool!

What's the next step for him? A nervous breakdown?

ETA: IMHO