More Barrel-scraping as Gonc discusses psychics and soil probes, LOL

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GA: My conviction is identical, based on the evidence. [small cut/edit at 21:09] So, exactly what happened? There are the blood vestiges, the cadaver odour that appeared precisely in the place where the blood was, that appeared in the couple’s bedroom, that appeared here [pointing to the apartment’s backyard] in the shrubs that were there, at the back. Add to that the contradictions and the inconsistencies of all the testimonies, and then there is something that should have been made, the reconstruction of the events, which was refused by the witnesses, by the [McCann] friends; the couple never came back for it and until today that remains to be done. That would be enlightening.




GA: The investigation process should not have ended, in October [2007], in the way that it did. From then on, it was six months up to the archival, and today continues to be archived. The answer for the case is in that investigation, that is there, gaining dust, stored in a court archive until it’s ‘dead’. Or maybe, until someone is brave enough to order the reopening of the process, and continue the investigation.

22:19 Cut back to studio

HC: The parents have said that they were able to keep an eye on the apartment from the restaurant [Tapas] but that is hard to see how, particularly bearing in mind that it was night.

We cant rely much on the overall brightness of these photographs, because photographs can be lighhtened. Maybe this is a little over exposed, dunno. But the eye looks at the lighter spots. With a street lamp immediately across the road from the steps up to, and also through, the archway of 5A, it is quite clear that 5A steps and patio area are well illuminated; much better than elsewhere.


Even assuming that no Mccann personal illumination was left on in the patio area, it seems pretty obvious that anyone trying to enter 5A via the patio door would show up like a sore thumb


Sorry Gonc, but you have already disallowed this means of entry because as you said, it was too close to the parents at 50 metres and too well lit. That was in a statement you made a couple of years ago.



The front door Gonc. It's the only way in. A key was used. Someone from OC involved? Much safer than going up to 5A patio door in fairly bright light and so close to the parents. Sorry to keep shouting, Gonc., but you seem a little deaf atm


Btw, an intruder could walk into the darkness of 5A car park, on the front, without raising an eyebrow. Because he would appear to the casual observer to be one of the many itinerant holidaymakers. Here today, gone tomorrow.


A different matter to walking straight into a specific well lit garden of a specific holidaymaking family that is known to others ... and illuminated in full view ... and close to the family


Think about it Gonc.

GA: My conviction is identical, based on the evidence. [small cut/edit at 21:09] So, exactly what happened? There are the blood vestiges, the cadaver odour that appeared precisely in the place where the blood was, that appeared in the couple’s bedroom, that appeared here [pointing to the apartment’s backyard] in the shrubs that were there, at the back.

I am leaving this bit to Hb. Hb is the cadavar and blood expert; maybe others too?

I do not understand why Gonc can't - or won't - see what is right in front of him, Sadie.

From the very start, he has been completely disinterested in any suggestion of the door being used - despite it being glaringly obvious.

Morais has posted a bit more - he's raving about hair now:

22:19 Cut back to studio

JP: Hernâni, You have spoken a while ago about something public, that I myself don’t understand how it’s related to this: hairs?

HC: Yes. I don’t know if you remember this, of the times that we worked together on this case… In other times.

JP: At another place [referring to when her morning talk show was broadcast by TVI]

HC: Suddenly, Madeleine’s hairs where all over the place! Hairs were sent to the FSS, hairs were sent to the Lab, hairs were sent to the police, hairs everywhere.

GA: Too many hairs.

HC: Please explain, how is it possible for a child who disappeared to have so much hair?

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What a disgusting, disrespectful pair those two are

Thankfully, we are nearly at the end of it - the WHOLE thing, not just part of it.

HB and Tony are much better at 'dog' stuff than me, Sadie - I am sure they will be happy to point out Gonc's idiocy over Death Miasma.

GA: Too many hairs.

HC: Please explain, how is it possible for a child who disappeared to have so much hair?

Pair of ignorant sickos

Is any of this in the official records, Bonny? Or anyone who knows? ... because it is new to me

Never heard a murmur about excess hairs Bonny. Have you?



It's almost in line with Amaral and Christovaos theories about Leonor and Joao cutting Joana up and storing her pieces in the fridge, then God forbid feeding the bits to their pigs!

Blood in the fridge. Blood on the wall in the hall I believe, en route to the room where they butchered their pigs bodies for eating, so I understand.

BUT NO FORENSIC TESTS... NONE, IT SEEMS. The blood could be animal, or human, but most likely is that of their butchered pigs. NO TESTS DONE TO FIND OUT IF IT WAS HUMAN, OR ANIMAL, THAT WE ARE AWARE OF, LET ALONE WHETHER IT WAS JOANAS!


No body found. No evidence, and Leonor and Joao locked away for, was it, 19 years? ... on NO EVIDENCE!

Some Barsteward took her, like he took Carolina and Madeleine and the other kids before them.



Christavao made a pile of money writing about it and about Madeleine. Was he sacked from the PJ too?

A simple question, when was this TV program made/aired - before of after Brown visited PdL? I seem to have got lost somewhere in the fog of antibiotics I am taking! LL

But together they do more than that, don't they Hb?


Am I right, that if the two dogs alert that shows they have both found blood, which could be from a cut finger or anything?


Keela doesn't alert to cadavar odour, does she? Eddie does. So if Eddie alerts but Keela doesn't, then that is a cadavar alert?


Am I correct in thinking that the two dogs MUST be used together, or the tests mean NOTHING, Zilch?


Cos Eddie the cadavar and blood dog could be alerting to any old blood or he could be alerting to a cadavar? No-one can tell without Keelas input?


The alerting or non alerting of Keela shows whether it is cadavar, or any old blood there?


As far as I am aware, the correct combination of marking DID NOT happen. Therefore there was NO cadavar in 5A.



Is that right, Hb?


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A man in that flat at about the time of the Mccanns, but before Eddie and Keela were brought in, is on record as having cut his face badly in a shaving accident and, I believe, suffered prolonged bleeding from it. Soz I haven't the energy, or time, to check that. Perhaps someone can verfify.


Please.

So in a nutshell, for it to be a Cadavar marking AND for it to be precisely marked:

1) Both dogs MUST be used.

2) Eddie MUST bark, but Keela MUST NOT indicate . If Eddie barks without Keelas non input, then it could be any old blood

As far as I am aware this combination didn't happen in 5A. Even * IF * it had happened, it would have had to be confirmed by other tests to prove anything at all.


Nothing was proved. Same as the blood in Leonors fridge; nothing proved there either; probably was pig blood.



Hb .... I would be grateful if you would kindly confirm that what i have said in the last two posts is correct. I am not in the business of spreading myths.

Jayelles wrote:I thought that when both dogs alerted it meant blood? i.e

+Eddie +Keela = blood
+Eddie -Keela = cadaver

If Keela wasn't there, how would they know if Eddie was alerting to blood or cadaver? Does he alert differently? How does he tell us what he smells?

This is the theory. So if Keela wasn't there then they wouldn't know what Eddie was alerting to.

So can anyone tell me if there was an occasion when both dogs were used in a specific location when Eddie alerted and Keela didn't? I do know that the car wasn't one of them because they both alerted albeit in slightly different places. And there is no way that Eddie would only have alerted to the key fob if there was cadaver scent elsewhere in the car. Which there would have been if a cadaver had been present in the car. Unless one presumes that a cadaver was carried in the front seat of the car.
No point in putting Eddie in the boot because Keela alerted.

I can't think of one occasion when this happened, so can anyone else?

And let us not forget that Keela herself made a false alert, to the curtains, as I recall, but I stand to be corrected.

This show aired on February 17th, LL - Brown posted the pic of her meeting Gonc on the 10th.

I am sure this garbage was supposed to be Team Gonc's comeback show, just ahead of the libel trial.

Instead it turned into a disaster.

The end of the WHOLE interview has now appeared:

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2012/03/maddie-case-goncalo-amaral-returns-to.html

Following this snide, sicko remark:

HC: Please explain, how is it possible for a child who disappeared to have so much hair?

We have:

GA: I don’t know, but it is a fact that there were several hairs, that were sent, and the conclusion is that they likely belonged to the child. Even the hairs that appeared in the boot of the car rented 20 days later [by the McCanns], they were sent to the FSS [Forensic Science Service]. Hairs that…

HC: Is it possible for me to have a hair and than say ‘this hair belongs to Mr. José António” [figure of speech]?

GA: I was about to explain that. The FSS stated that due to the hair tone, they belonged to Madeleine McCann, but that they couldn’t extract the DNA because the hairs did not have any roots. Nowadays, labs in Europe can actually extract DNA without the roots, and arrive to a conclusion, if the DNA belongs to that person or not. Furthermore, those hairs can help us understand if the child - like her grandfather said, some journalists also said that at the time - did take an antihistaminic in order to sleep at night. And then consider the influence that it could have produced. Those hairs, if they still exist and if they do belong to Madeleine, and if she was indeed – her siblings never woke up in that night – given, like her grandfather said in the English television; if the McCanns gave the children Calpol7 at night in order for them, or for the little girl to sleep… From that point on, we might be able to arrive to a conclusion regarding what happened. When they write in a book that the girl’s sleeping disorders had ended years ago, that is a lie, since the problems that concern that child, existed to the last day, to the day of her disappearance. And there is evidence that establishes that.

HC: Gonçalo, I have to tell you this, and you know that this is public. Since the beginning, I have always thought that it was very strange that Madeleine disappeared; but there were several conclusions that one could formulate particularly due to the other two children that did not disappear. However, there is a question – and we are already without time to continue – there is a question that I must ask: Who decided that the FSS should be the one, instead of any other forensic lab, to make all those analysis?

GA: The Police Directorate, we wanted to ‘trust’ in the English police…

HC: That is all that I wanted to know! Okay!

JP: [Laughs]

HC: It was just that. There are several excellent laboratories, famous all over the world in Switzerland, in…

GA: We didn’t want…

HC: …it had to be in England!

GA: It is similar to the non-arrival of the FBI, we didn’t want to create friction, a “diplomatic incident”.

JP: It was due to a diplomatic settlement that everything turned out the way it did.


GA: It is due to diplomacy that we are now here.

HC: Thank you, Gonçalo.

JC: I thank Gonçalo Amaral - who was truly committed to this case - for coming here today, for clarifying and for providing us with information regarding some aspects of this case.

Ends at 25: 39

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What a load of dreck - did CSI Patsy write the script for him?

Maybe the manufacturers of Calpol will now be looking for a chunk of change off Gonc and his Stooge?

That was truly a woeful display, and anyone who still thinks Gonc has an Ace up his Sleeve is kidding themselves.

honestbroker wrote:

Sabot wrote:

Jayelles wrote:I thought that when both dogs alerted it meant blood? i.e

+Eddie +Keela = blood
+Eddie -Keela = cadaver

If Keela wasn't there, how would they know if Eddie was alerting to blood or cadaver? Does he alert differently? How does he tell us what he smells?

This is the theory. So if Keela wasn't there then they wouldn't know what Eddie was alerting to.

So can anyone tell me if there was an occasion when both dogs were used in a specific location when Eddie alerted and Keela didn't? I do know that the car wasn't one of them because they both alerted albeit in slightly different places. And there is no way that Eddie would only have alerted to the key fob if there was cadaver scent elsewhere in the car. Which there would have been if a cadaver had been present in the car. Unless one presumes that a cadaver was carried in the front seat of the car.
No point in putting Eddie in the boot because Keela alerted.

I can't think of one occasion when this happened, so can anyone else?

Eddie was never deployed inside the car; only Keela ...

I know Eddie wasn't deployed inside the car, HB. That wasn't what I asked.

So can anyone tell me if there was an occasion when both dogs were used in a specific location when Eddie alerted and Keela didn't?

Thanks, bonny, merely makes me more suspicious that gonc was coached by brown to back up her 'theories'. And as I do not believe he doesn't speak English, it makes me even more leery of the whole thing. Maybe I am seeing a conspiracy here, but it seems to me, and to my son who has been looking at the timings, that there was a definite conjuction of events - the meetings with bennett, gonc and then the tv prgram. Coincidences I have a habit of disbelieving, especially when they are so blatantly obvious. LL

I agree with you, LL, I think the whole thing was a set-up - including the 'psychics'.

Canadian 'psychics' just happen to psychically conjure up guff about 'ravines' and golf bags on Portuguese TV?

Psychic my a@se - IMO they googled it and wrote the script to suit Gonc, Brown and co.

Unfortunately, they didn't factor in the clear deterioration in Gonc's mental state.

Lamplighter wrote:Thanks, bonny, merely makes me more suspicious that gonc was coached by brown to back up her 'theories'. And as I do not believe he doesn't speak English, it makes me even more leery of the whole thing. Maybe I am seeing a conspiracy here, but it seems to me, and to my son who has been looking at the timings, that there was a definite conjuction of events - the meetings with bennett, gonc and then the tv prgram. Coincidences I have a habit of disbelieving, especially when they are so blatantly obvious. LL

I think we all agree on that one, LL. I certainly do. A concerted effort was made, and could even have been planned in advance, before Pat Brown even left The USA.

Yes, Sabot - and I would be interested to know if Brown's path had ever crossed that of the 'psychics' before.

It would also explain the silence on the brown front; was she waiting for the gonc interview to air on TV? I would say this was a set up to help brown and her forthcoming book on how the parents 'dunnit', plus giving bent tit yet another 'way out': "See, M'Lud, this famous Portuguese policeman went on tv and said all I have been saying, so I can't be guilty of libelling anyone, can I?". LL

bb1 wrote:Yes, Sabot - and I would be interested to know if Brown's path had ever crossed that of the 'psychics' before.

Jeez. Now there's a thought. The Psychics didn't actually say very much beyond Golf Courses and Ravines, but certainly wouldn't turn down a bit of publicity and a trip to Portugal.
Sadly, it has only made things worse for Gonc who now looks like a raving lunatic by completely contradicting himself.

Nowadays, labs in Europe can actually extract DNA without the roots, and arrive to a conclusion, if the DNA belongs to that person or not

Sure about that, is he? I am no great shakes on DNA, but from what I can find out, only Mitochondrial DNA can be extracted from hair without the root.

And as Kate McCann has THREE children, that doesn't really help much.

References:

http://www.forensicdnacenter.com/resources/top-10-forensic-questions.html

Can you test hair without the root? Yes. Instead of using nuclear DNA testing, we would use mitochondrial DNA testing. The mitochondrial genome is highly polymorphic or varies greatly from one person to another, making it useful for human identification. Because mitochondrial genes exist in high amounts within a cell they are very useful when analyzing samples that lack nuclear DNA.

And:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_DNA

Mitochondrial DNA can be regarded as the smallest chromosome, and was the first significant part of the human genome to be sequenced. In most species, including humans, mtDNA is inherited solely from the mother.

Anyone understand it better than I do?

And the twins had a haircut, I do recall. I thought that one had been put to bed. It was hair from The Twins after a hair cut, hence no roots on the hair clippings.

Gonc has worse than lost the plot.

Agree, Sabot, I cannot believe he has repeated crap like:

if the McCanns gave the children Calpol at night in order for them, or for the little girl to sleep… From that point on, we might be able to arrive to a conclusion regarding what happened.

It's barely worth the effort of discussing discredited trash like that. If this programme is any indication of Gonc's mental state, then he is going to make a complete fool of himself in court.

And what is behind this line?

HC: Yes. I don’t know if you remember this, of the times that we worked together on this case… In other times.

Why, pray tell, would Stooge Carvalho have 'worked' on the case? He isn't a police officer; he is just a talking head who wrote yet another nasty, exploitative potboiler to make a few bucks.

So he is dredging up a whole pile of ancient stuff that has long been positively dicredited, and or disproven on record. Well, Isabel Duarte is going to have great fun with that lot.

PS. Do you think he has read The Files? At the moment I don't know whether to laugh or cry, both hysterically. This is so abysmally stupid.

It's terrible, isn't it? I found myself wincing as I was posting sections of it.

Anyone who still kids themselves Gonc has an Ace to play after this display from him is in Cloud Cuckoo Land.

Lamplighter wrote:Thanks, bonny, merely makes me more suspicious that gonc was coached by brown to back up her 'theories'. And as I do not believe he doesn't speak English, it makes me even more leery of the whole thing. Maybe I am seeing a conspiracy here, but it seems to me, and to my son who has been looking at the timings, that there was a definite conjuction of events - the meetings with bennett, gonc and then the tv prgram. Coincidences I have a habit of disbelieving, especially when they are so blatantly obvious. LL

Oh believe me LL he speaks English 100%.
If he didn't how did he speak to Brown? Did she happen to have a translator with her or did she do a crash course in Portuguese