Re: More Barrel-scraping as Gonc discusses psychics and soil probes, LOL

**Sabot** Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:56 am

I wonder if he's still got The Fridge from The Cipriano Case? He could always produce that. Who could tell the difference?

**Lamplighter** Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:05 pm

Maggs wrote:Oh believe me LL he speaks English 100%.
If he didn't how did he speak to Brown? Did she happen to have a translator with her or did she do a crash course in Portuguese

Why do these morons imagine we are less fly than they are? It was a set up from start to finish, even I can see that through the doziness the antibiotics are causing me!! All that gaff about soil probes and other equipment - a load of b*llshit!! I think they have been hatching this for some time - as I said, I don't believe in coincidences of this nature. LL

**bb1** Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:14 pm

I think they have been hatching this for some time

Oh wait...haven't Morais, Claudia and co been dropping hints about Gonc having some Cunning Plan to save his skin?

Anyone else think this was it? And that far from a Cunning Plan, it was his last, desperate roll of the dice?

**Sabot** Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:27 pm

Didn't Gonc say that there would be News Coming Soon? This must be it. They've had a little get together and cooked this up. This is why they have all decided to get on for a change, instead of falling out. I thought that was very strange because they all hate each other.
Pity none of them have read The Files.

**Pedro Silva** Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:46 pm

goncalol is the one who have calpol in his sick brain: goncalol = calpol.
yernuts

**Pedro Silva** Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:47 pm

of course they have not read The Files, because they know it is against their sick fantasies.

**bb1** Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:49 pm

Oh yes, of course, Sabot - that was when he came out with all that guff about the supposed 'police superlawyer':

Gonçalo Amaral told TVmais that he hired the lawyer of the police officers, that he is divorced and he assures there are going to be news in the upcoming days.

Guess who wrote all that nonsense?

by Hernâni Carvalho

This is very, very poor spinning and Ace-playing; whatever the desired result was supposed to be, the whole production has fallen flat on its face.

Even the forkers and hounders are none too enthused by this rubbish, which is a very bad sign indeed for Team Gonc.

So, this was the 'news', was it?

Team Gonc needs a new scriptwriter - and a new script. This floorshow's been booed off the stage.

**Lamplighter** Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:50 pm

I reckon the broker or link in all this is bent tit. He gets to see brown first, briefs her and then passes her on to gonc. I think bentit and gonc are using her to help extricate themselves from out the doodooh which, if that is the case is very funny - she used the antis to try and sell her book and then dropped them the moment they had served their miniscule purpose, and now I am wondering how long before those two drop her from their visiting lists? I guess the moment they succeed in this, or when they find out she failed them. LL Hahau

**Pedro Silva** Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:55 pm

about:"Guess who wrote all that nonsense? by Hernâni Carvalho" only gonc´s sidekick would come up with such crap, but, this is what to expect from a guy like carvalho.

**Sabot** Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:01 pm

Pedro Silva wrote:of course they have not read The Files, because they know it is against their sick fantasies.

BWAHAHAHAHAH. Thank goodness the rest of the world has read them, Pedro.

This is all very telling, you know. They are all self motivated for some reason or another, so they are banding together because they hate The McCanns for interfering with their nice little earners. They don't give a toss for missing children in general or Madeleine in particular. Just their own personal interests. None of them have had any time for each other before this. So if they can get Goncalo Amaral off the hook then they all win. And if Gonc goes down then they all go down. And I have to say they are doing a good job stitching up Amaral.

**bb1** Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:02 pm

I think you are right, LL, Bennett is the extremely common denominator in all this.

Guess what? Brown's new book has finally appeared, and it has naff all to do with the McCanns.

I've put it in the thread dedicated to CSI Patsy, but here is the summary...

Book Description
Publication Date: March 3, 2012
Harkening back to the writing styles of the earlier American authors – John Steinbeck, Harper Lee, Carson McCullers, and James Cain - Only the Truth is the story of a simple, rather slow, uneducated man, Billy Ray, who loves a mysterious woman who appears out of nowhere and comes to live with him. Two years later, she shoots their neighbor and burns down the neighbor’s home. He stands by helplessly as the woman he loves is arrested, jailed, and charged with premeditated murder. His happy life turned upside down, Billy Ray sets out to find the truth about his Charlene, whether the truth leads to his ability to save her life or it frees him from her spell.

I am sure it will be a winner with trailer trash everywhere, who will find much to identify with in Billy Ray and Charlene rofl

**Lamplighter** Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:14 pm

My reply to that,, which I will repeat here was:

John Steinbeck, Harper Lee, Carson McCullers, & James Cain??????????????

That's gotta be a joke, surely???? Pat Brown, likened to them? Yes Gods, whoever wrote that blurb must have been three sheets to the wind or slumped over in an opium den!!!!

LL

**Pedro Silva** Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:29 pm

Yes, you´re right Sabot, I agree.

**sadie** Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:22 pm

Lamplighter wrote:My reply to that,, which I will repeat here was:

John Steinbeck, Harper Lee, Carson McCullers, & James Cain??????????????

That's gotta be a joke, surely???? Pat Brown, likened to them? Yes Gods, whoever wrote that blurb must have been three sheets to the wind or slumped over in an opium den!!!!
LL

Comparing herself to the great John Steinbeck; the arrogant woman Evil or Very Mad

She is sure good at selling herself!

**Pedro Silva** Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:45 pm

bb1, I agree, thank you for telling us this:

"Brown's new book has finally appeared, and it has naff all to do with the McCanns.

I've put it in the thread dedicated to CSI Patsy, but here is the summary...".

I agree with this also:

"Comparing herself to the great John Steinbeck; the arrogant woman

She is sure good at selling herself!"

arrogant woman indeed.

**bb1** Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:03 pm

PAT BROWN ‏ @ProfilerPatB Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Only the Truth out today on Amazon Kindle for only $2.99! What does a man do when his lady gets arrested for murder? tinyurl.com/7vmczzm

Frankly, I neither know nor care what Billy Bob does....but isn't all this a bit of a let down for her loyal forkers?

**bb1** Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:07 pm

Imbecile forker on Morais blog:

How could Madeleine's blood have being found in the car, hired 3 weeks after her disappearance?

An excellent question, but if that forker had bothered to read the police files, then they would know

MADELEINE'S BLOOD WAS NOT IN THE CAR

THERE WERE NO DEFROSTING 'BODY FLUIDS'

Which is largely why it is safe to state that Gonc is spouting libellous bullsh*t, and so is anyone who insists on repeating this garbage.

**bb1** Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:11 pm

Here's another one of them, going on about:

Blood specks on the wall

They've had nearly FOUR YEARS to read the forensic reports, and still haven't bothered to - so much easier to carry on pitchforking than actually find out the truth for themselves.

If they did, they would see that there was no 'blood splatter', just like there were no 'body fluids', and that they have been played for fools by Team Gonc.

**bb1** Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:12 pm

Jayelles wrote:Seems that she has finally got her genre right (crime FICTION).

Apparently she has two more books coming out but neither is about the McCann case.

A friend of mine is making a small fortune from self published books on Kindle.

I am sure you will be rushing to download your copy of this tale of woe, Jayelles. biggrin

ETA, yes, one is the Cleopatra one, and the other one seems to be some kind of potboiler about not going out at night in short skirts, not dating Ted Bundy, stuff like that.

**Maggs** Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:40 pm

Another failure for the Gonc squad

HC: Suddenly, Madeleine’s hairs where all over the place! Hairs were sent to the FSS, hairs were sent to the Lab, hairs were sent to the police, hairs everywhere.

GA: Too many hairs.

HC: Please explain, how is it possible for a child who disappeared to have so much hair?

GA: I don’t know, but it is a fact that there were several hairs, that were sent, and the conclusion is that they likely belonged to the child. Even the hairs that appeared in the boot of the car rented 20 days later [by the McCanns], they were sent to the FSS [Forensic Science Service]. Hairs that…

HC: Is it possible for me to have a hair and than say ‘this hair belongs to Mr. José António” [figure of speech]?

GA: I was about to explain that. The FSS stated that due to the hair tone, they belonged to Madeleine McCann, but that they couldn’t extract the DNA because the hairs did not have any roots. Nowadays, labs in Europe can actually extract DNA without the roots, and arrive to a conclusion, if the DNA belongs to that person or not. Furthermore, those hairs can help us understand if the child - like her grandfather said, some journalists also said that at the time - did take an antihistaminic in order to sleep at night. And then consider the influence that it could have produced. Those hairs, if they still exist and if they do belong to Madeleine, and if she was indeed – her siblings never woke up in that night – given, like her grandfather said in the English television; if the McCanns gave the children Calpol7 at night in order for them, or for the little girl to sleep… From that point on, we might be able to arrive to a conclusion regarding what happened. When they write in a book that the girl’s sleeping disorders had ended years ago, that is a lie, since the problems that concern that child, existed to the last day, to the day of her disappearance. And there is evidence that establishes that.

HC: Gonçalo, I have to tell you this, and you know that this is public. Since the beginning, I have always thought that it was very strange that Madeleine disappeared; but there were several conclusions that one could formulate particularly due to the other two children that did not disappear. However, there is a question – and we are already without time to continue – there is a question that I must ask: Who decided that the FSS should be the one, instead of any other forensic lab, to make all those analysis?

Files say different Goncy old boy

Objective

The objective of my examination was to determine if down or hair was recovered from the Renault Scenic 59-DA-27 and, if affirmative, to determine if those may have come from Madeleine McCann.

Mobilisation of scientific support people

The examination of the objects in this case was done with the assistance of scientific support people. A list of those people, together with a brief description of the work that each performed, is in the Forensic Examination Record/Register, which I present as exhibit ALP/1. It is a complete record of all work done, together with notes made during the examination. These notes are available in the lab for verification, if necessary.

Examination and results

Reference objects

I received [obtained] information from the pillow-case SJM/1, the tops SJM2, 4 and 5, and the hairbrush SJM/36 belonging to Madeleine McCann or used by her. The hair found on these objects was used in substitution of [in place of] reference samples of her hair, [which were] not considered to be authentic samples of her hair.

No hair was recovered from the pillow-case SJM/1 nor the hairbrush SJM/36.

A total number of twelve [12] hairs or hair fragments were recovered from the tops SJM/2, SJM/4 and SJM/5. All of these appeared to be hair and not down, being mainly blonde in colour. One of the hairs was brown and distinctly darker than the other hairs, suggesting, at the least, that this was a hair from someone else.

The remaining eleven hairs/fragments varied in length from 4 millimetres to 45 millimetres [~1/8" to ~1,3/4"]. I could not conclude that all hairs were from the same person. If they had been from Madeleine McCann, then they are not representative/typical/characteristic of a sample of her hair, given the length of that seen in photographs of her.

Objects from the Renault Scenic - licence plate 59-DA-27
The following objects recovered from the scenic were subjected to examination:
1A, 1B, 1C, 1D,
2A, 2B, 2C, 2D, 2E,
3,
4A, 4B, 4C,
5A, 5B, 5C,
6A, 6B, 6C,
7A, 7B, 7C,
8A, 8B, 8C,
9 and
11 (2 objects).

There were more than two hundred hairs, down or fragments of hair and down. The majority appeared to be different from the blonde reference hairs recovered from SJM2, 4 and 5. Furthermore, no blonde hair consistent with that seen in photographs of Madeleine McCann was found.

Approximately 15 hairs, down or fragments were blonde and fair, presenting a similarity with the reference material. All were of insufficient length to make a solid [definitive] comparison. Furthermore, they are too short to do mitochondrial DNA tests. Follicle root material is insufficient for standard DNA tests.

Four hairs - one from 7B and three from 7C - were sent for Low Copy Number DNA testing. The results of those tests will be presented by my colleague John Lowe.

Conclusion
In the objects recovered from the Scenic, there were around 15 blonde/fair hairs similar to the reference hairs from SJM2, 4 and 5. However, as it was not possible to do solid [definitive] or significant [forensically meaningful] tests it is not possible for me to determine if, or not, these could have been from Madeleine McCann.

The conclusions expressed in the present deposition are based on information available at the date of the examination. In the case that there are changes to that information, or additional information becomes available, it may be necessary to reconsider my interpretation and conclusions. That re-evaluation will be most effective when done immediately prior to any judgement.

A.L. Palmer

**lily** Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:46 pm

Oh dear..... Pcorneater

**bb1** Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:48 pm

It's that sneering remark of Arguido Carvalho's that makes my hackles rise, Maggs.

HC: Please explain, how is it possible for a child who disappeared to have so much hair?

I didn't know there were rules about how much hair a child was allowed to shed in the days before she was abducted? mad

**Pedro Silva** Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:11 pm

about hair issue above, I tell you this: gonc, it is very strange that you, as father don´t know nothing about this, in my opinion you are just comment this issue with the usual crap coming from you.

**bb1** Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:21 pm

The pair of them are also pig-ignorant, frankly.

There were more than two hundred hairs, down or fragments of hair and down. - from the files.

As the average person sheds 50-100 hairs daily, that is NOT a lot of hair.

And as far as I can make out, no, at present it ISN'T possible to get a full DNA profile without the root. As Kate McCann has three children, then not very much is going to be gleaned from DNA tests which show she is the mother of the hair donor....

Frankly, it's terrifying to think of someone as, well, THICK as Gonc looking for a lost dog, never mind a lost child.

**bb1** Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:11 pm

http://thehoundingofthemccans.blogspot.com/2012/03/who-to-believe-files-or-story-amaral-is.html

Excellent piece, Tony.

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