Re: Jimmy Savile accused in ITV documentary

**Lamplighter** Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:54 pm

It beggars belief that his own family didn't stop him,

He was keeping them in a good life, so I expect those luxuries he showered on them were far more important than the innocence of a little girl, or any other child for that matter. LL

**bb1** Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:00 pm

There are several very unpleasant words for that.

**Lamplighter** Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:06 pm

bb1 wrote:There are several very unpleasant words for that.

Indeed there are. For the life of me I will never understand how people can hurt a child, in any way. But then I am somewhat naive, I suppose, or maybe stupid; either way I would rather be me. LL

**bb1** Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:20 pm

There isn't much the police can now do about nasty family secrets - or repentant groupies - but anyone still living, in positions of authority, who aided and abetted him in any way deserves to brought to justice - by the LAW, not the media.

I don't like media circuses, too often, they muddy the waters too much, and it ends up with no-one having a clear idea about anything.

**bb1** Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:00 am

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What on earth has Edwina Currie got to do with it? I've barely recovered from the horror of her affair with John Major.

And I don't like her, either, BTW.

**bb1** Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:08 am

Oh, in the name....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9623089/Jimmy-Savile-Questions-for-Edwina-Currie-and-the-BBC.html

Quote:

A Sunday Telegraph investigation today reveals:
* Edwina Currie appointed Savile to run a taskforce in charge of Broadmoor in the 1980s, where he is accused of sexually assaulting patients;
* the taskforce he presided over was given temporary powers to oversee the running of the hospital following a series of industrial disputes - despite the fact Savile, a disc jockey and television presenter, had no professional qualifications;

More:

Savile, despite having no expertise in mental health, was given the job of chairman of the taskforce overseeing Broadmoor in 1988 after the hospital had been placed under direct control of the Thatcher government following a series of strikes.
Mrs Currie at the time was health minister with responsibility for the country’s high security hospitals under the auspices of Kenneth Clarke, the then-Health Secretary. Savile counted himself as a friend of Margaret Thatcher and reportedly stayed at Chequers on a number of occasions.
Savile had had a long association with Broadmoor, having been a volunteer worker there in the 1970s and 1980s with the unofficial title “honourary entertainments officer”. He had his own set of keys and living quarters on site.
Savile’s appointment to the taskforce is now subject to a Department of Health official inquiry but last night Mrs Currie said: “The Department of Health are digging out the papers from the archives and I just don’t know - I’m ransacking my own notes to try to work out what happened, so I am not denying it, it is just very hard to tell.”

The former minister told The Sunday Telegraph that having checked her personal diaries, she had found a note of a meeting with Savile in Leeds in September 1988 - the month the taskforce was appointed. In the entry she described his thoughts on Broadmoor as “intriguing”.
Mrs Currie recorded that during the meeting Savile had told her that he suspected staff were inflating their salaries - and that he had threatened to pass the information to the tabloid papers if the staff caused him any trouble.
Savile also told her he had uncovered millions of pounds missing from budgets and poor use of the hospital’s housing stock.
“In my diary, I wrote 'Attaboy’, she said. “This was what he claimed to be doing; now it is hard to know whether any of it is true. And obviously when you look back, it does suggest he was prepared to use blackmail to ensure people did what he wanted.”
Mrs Currie, who had previously met Savile on his television programme Jim’ll Fix it and on visits to Leeds General Infirmary, where he also worked, said she now thought the presenter was “totally evil” and that she was glad criminal investigations were underway.

Savile once described himself in a newspaper interview as “the boss of Broadmoor” and in 1989 said he was responsible for the freeing of 60 patients and intended to introduce “mixed sex wings” so patients could fall in love with each other.
Following Savile’s appointment at Broadmoor, Alan Franey, an administrator who spent 10 years working at Leeds General Infirmary, also began work on the same taskforce, with progress to be reported to Mrs Currie.

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What can anyone possibly say to that?

**bb1** Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:10 am

“I said to him how can you let Princess Diana and Jimmy Savile into Broadmoor to wander about whenever they want? This is a high-security hospital - would you let any other Tom, Dick or Harry in?”

Shocked

**bb1** Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:31 am

More about the sex/payola scandal, which was mentioned at the start of this thread:

Jimmy Savile: Secret of BBC’s first sex scandal

Top disc jockeys and executives at the BBC were caught up in a sex scandal more than 40 years ago.

It was a sex scandal that engulfed the BBC and epitomised the “swinging” times.
More than 40 years ago, the corporation’s top disc jockeys and executives were caught up in the most tawdry of allegations — that in return for playing their records, music companies hired prostitutes for them.
Orgies were arranged involving BBC staff, call girls and others at the house of a brothel-keeper in Kensington in west London. From behind a two-way mirror, other executives and celebrities looked on.
Prostitutes were also provided at hotels and other locations in the West End.
The claims, dating back to 1971, shocked the public, and the police launched an investigation into what became known as the “payola” scandal.

More at:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9623109/Jimmy-Savile-Secret-of-BBCs-first-sex-scandal.html

All of it tacky, seedy and nasty.

**Lamplighter** Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:02 pm

Oh, lawd, I remember Janie Jones and all that happened then. But that's so long ago; she was banged up for, as I remember 7 years, but didn't serve the full term, think she got out in 4. Anyone would think the BBC were the only organisation to have scandals, it happens all over the place. And these were prostitutes, not children or Jones would have got a far heavier sentence and the matter would have been spread over all the papers. It was, as they say, the Swinging Sixties and I am afraid in those days anything and everything went on. I would add that I was not working for the BBC - did I moss out on something there? LL rofl

**bb1** Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:16 pm

Right back at the start of this thread, LL, I mentioned the payola scandal and was puzzled as to why this current scandal didn't come to light then as the police were all over TOTP and the BBC.

I am still puzzled, as it seems the police were made aware of the teenager who committed suicide, and were sniffing around the edges of it. Maybe the payola/sex was so bad, they couldn't imagine anything worse? Who knows? At this stage, it's difficult to make much sense of it all.

And I have a very big question. There is NO WAY the Murdoch press didn't know all about this, so why wait till now? Is this actually payback for Leveson, etc., rather than some great moral crusade? Are some of NI's high-profile, political critics, going to be dragged into this?

As for Savile running Broadmoor - lost for words. You see pics of him at Broadmoor, you think, Oh, he's fund-raising or something.

It never, ever crosses your mind that Salmonella Curry has put him in charge of it.

What on earth was wrong with them all? Did he hypnotise them, like some latter-day Rasputin?

**Lamplighter** Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:31 pm

I don't know, bonny; it is all so long ago. I wonder in passing if maybe not payback for Leveson but skeletons in cupboards? LL

**bb1** Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:59 pm

There is certainly no love lost between Murdoch and the self-styled 'cuddly Auntie Beeb', LL. A read around the news comments boards reveals that there is an outcry for the TV licence to be abolished - which I am entirely in favour of, incidentally.

I really don't see why I should pay for a bunch of smug Establishment parasites on a network I rarely watch; if I don't want to watch Sky, the remedy is in my own hands.

**bb1** Sun Oct 21, 2012 2:07 pm

Mail pic:

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Quote from Telegraph:

Savile, despite having no expertise in mental health, was given the job of chairman of the taskforce overseeing Broadmoor in 1988 after the hospital had been placed under direct control of the Thatcher government following a series of strikes.
Mrs Currie at the time was health minister with responsibility for the country’s high security hospitals under the auspices of Kenneth Clarke, the then-Health Secretary. Savile counted himself as a friend of Margaret Thatcher and reportedly stayed at Chequers on a number of occasions.
Savile had had a long association with Broadmoor, having been a volunteer worker there in the 1970s and 1980s with the unofficial title “honourary entertainments officer”. He had his own set of keys and living quarters on site.
Pete Saunders, the chief executive of the National Association for People Abused in Childhood, said of Savile's role at the mental hospital: "It really is akin to giving Dracula the keys to the blood bank. It really is outrageous that a disc jockey was given unfettered access to Broadmoor."

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It's gobsmackingly unbelievable that the government saw fit to do that. I mean, was there nothing that tipped them off that he was just a bit odd?

**Lamplighter** Sun Oct 21, 2012 2:10 pm

There's been an outcry for the licence to be abolished for as long as I can remember, especially when ITN etc set up their media stalls. Something niggles at the back of my mind, didn't Murdock at one point aim to take over the BBC? I may be wrong, of course .... LL

**bb1** Sun Oct 21, 2012 2:12 pm

I don't know if he wanted to take it over, LL, but he knows the BBC couldn't survive without its poll tax on TV viewers.

**bb1** Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:08 pm

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I suppose it's too much to hope that means the BBC is going to go t*ts up and the licence rip-off will end?

Oh no, silly me. It means the licence will go up to pay for lawyers.

**Lamplighter** Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:24 am

BBC 'In Crisis' Over Jimmy Savile Scandal
Sky News – 31 minutes ago

BBC 'In Crisis' Over Jimmy Savile Scandal
The BBC is said to be facing "its worst crisis for 50 years", as a documentary lifts the lid on the extent to which senior managers of the corporation were aware of the Jimmy Savile abuse claims.
A special edition of Panorama reveals fresh evidence about what the BBC knew of Savile's decades of child abuse and its investigation into why Newsnight spiked its probe into the scandal, sparking allegations of a cover-up.
The BBC flagship programme, which airs tonight, examines why corporation chiefs - including the Director General - gave different explanations why Newsnight was dropped and what it was about.
Newsnight editor Peter Rippon maintains the piece - which was due to run last December - was pulled for editorial reasons, and not because the potentially damaging revelations coincided with a planned tribute to the star.
But the hour-long documentary will hear from Newsnight producer Meirion Jones and reporter Liz MacKean, who both claim they had interviewed at least four alleged victims of Savile - and confirmed with Surrey Police that they had investigated sex abuse complaints against the Jim'll Fix It star in 2007.
They say that when they told bosses the Crown Prosecution Service did not charge Savile because of insufficient evidence, they were told to end the investigation - and the show was withdrawn.
The programme also calls into question Director General George Entwistle's handling of the crisis in the days after it broke.
On October 5, Mr Entwistle wrote an email to all staff about the crisis the corporation found itself engulfed in, saying "the BBC Newsnight programme investigated Surrey Police's enquiry into Jimmy Savile towards the end of 2011".
But Meirion Jones sent an email reply to Mr Entwistle on the same day taking issue with his account.
He wrote: "George - one note - the investigation was into whether Jimmy Savile was a paedophile - I know because it was my investigation. We didn't know that Surrey police had investigated Jimmy Savile - no-one did - that was what we found when we investigated and interviewed his victims."
The abuse stories about Savile only fully emerged after ITV broadcast a documentary at the start of this month - sparking mayhem at the BBC over losing its scoop and leading to the cover-up allegations.
Panorama said it has failed to find evidence of a "BBC cover-up" over the Newsnight decision.
In a statement, the programme said: "Peter Rippon has always maintained the story was pulled for 'editorial reasons' and not because of a potentially embarrassing clash with planned BBC tributes to Savile over Christmas.
"Panorama has found no evidence to contradict that view."
But the BBC's veteran foreign affairs editor John Simpson said of the fallout: "This is the worst crisis that I can remember in my nearly 50 years at the BBC. I don't think the BBC has handled it terribly well.
"I mean I think it's better to just come out right at the start and say we're going to open everything up and then we're going to show everybody everything.
"All we have as an organisation is the trust of the people the people that watch us and listen to us and if we don't have that, if we start to lose that, that's very dangerous I think for the BBC."

**bb1** Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:06 am

I will probably watch it, LL, but I hope it involves something resembling evidence, and isn't just he said/she said.

I am slightly uneasy about it being broadcast during a police investigation.

**bb1** Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:24 pm

**bb1** Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:25 pm

**greenink211** Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:38 pm

Watching this Panorama programme I no longer think there is much doubt that Savile was up to horrendous abuse. The smirk he gave to camera after pretending to be a monkey molesting a child was horrific. But I think the only way forward now is regarding others who were operating with him and why it was covered up. Just hearing about the fact that the BBC did not pass on information to the police makes me think there is a lot of trouble brewing at all levels in that organisation and rightly so. This will be at least as important as Leveson and may completely overshadow that inquiry in its fallout.

**bb1** Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:52 pm

I've just watched it too, Greenink. I will be honest, maybe I am tired, but I still don't feel much clearer about what was going on at the BBC. I got the impression it was the 'tribute' shows that were the last straw?

I am delighted to say, having seen clips tonight, that I didn't watch them. Tonight's exercise in navel-gazing reminded me of why I rarely watch the BBC. And as I have said before, I didn't greatly like Savile WITHOUT knowing all of this. And I don't warm to these 'cuddly' household names the BBC tend to promote.

The whole mess really is a job for the police - NOT the media, and not ambulance-chasing lawyers.

I doubt if the police are pinning many hopes on getting the truth from Gary Glitter - I think most people could have happily lived the rest of their lives without hearing that vile pervert's name again.

But I hope the police can make sense of this, and that charges will be laid against anyone who colluded in covering this up.

**Lamplighter** Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:03 am

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Two Jimmy Savile charities to close

Savile's charity work was recognised with a knighthood in 1990

Two charities set up in Jimmy Savile's name are to close, they have confirmed.

The Leeds-based Jimmy Savile Charitable Trust and the Jimmy Savile Stoke Mandeville Hospital Trust had considered just changing their names.

However, both felt they would always be linked in people's minds with the late presenter who is at the centre of sex abuse allegations.

In a statement, they said all their funds would be distributed to other charities.

'Potentially damaging'

The decision to close both organisations was taken with "great sadness", they said.

But, the primary concern was to protect the charitable causes they support and a continued focus by the media on the two bodies was "potentially damaging" to their beneficiaries.

The identity of those receiving money from the two charities would not be publicised and it would be up to each recipient to decide whether to make public any donation, bosses said.

No future requests for funding from the charitable organisations would be considered, they confirmed.

The Jimmy Savile Charitable Trust was primarily based in the Leeds area.

On the Charity Commission's website, the body states that the trust's objectives were to "provide funds for the relief of poverty and sickness and other charitable purposes beneficial to the community", as well as "provision of recreational and other facilities for disabled persons".

The Jimmy Savile Stoke Mandeville Hospital Trust was set up in 1981, following a request from the Buckinghamshire hospital where he volunteered for many years to help raise funds for rebuilding work.

The charitable trust's latest accounts, filed with the Charity Commission in March, showed it had funds totalling £3.7m in 2011/12. It had an income of £132,546 and spent £43,866 in the same year.

The Stoke Mandeville charity had funds of £1.7m, according to the Charity Commission files.

Such a shame, but it certainly seems that the ripples spread ever wider. LL

**bb1** Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:18 am

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Still got a score to settle with her ex, has she? And how old was Mandy Smith when Bill Wyman started 'dating' *cough* her? Thirteen, fourteen, I do believe.

I shall continue reading the papers, in the hope that someone made more sense of it than I did.

**Pedro Silva** Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:05 pm

My friends, this was taken from Sky News:

http://news.sky.com/story/1001205/jimmy-savile-bbc-boss-is-grilled-by-mps

http://news.sky.com/story/999510/saviles-camper-van-hidden-after-dealer-abused

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