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Post  bb1 Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:13 pm

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Well, that will set off a brief frenzy of tick-tocking and tide-turning, till the story comes online and the McCann-haters discover exactly why the Yard knows Madeleine was abducted.
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Post  lily Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:17 pm

Shocked Shocked 

You can just imagine what they will be speculating about all that.

The blue bag and volcano theory it is.
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Post  bb1 Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:19 pm

Oh dear, looks like Gonzo really did stuff up. By peering at the Star small print:

Key details of the original Madeleine McCann investigation were wrong, police said last night.

They will reveal a new timeline of the crucial minutes when Maddie, three, was snatched in Portugal in 2007.

And they'll release several e-fits of suspects.
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Post  bb1 Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:24 pm

I am speculating here, but maybe because the Yard used proper software to reconstruct events, and not some stupid circus, they have been able to pinpoint almost exactly when Madeleine went missing?

Also, they have the 100% genuine, properly translated files.
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Post  bb1 Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:39 pm

A temporary hush descends in haterland, as they try to work out what this means....
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Post  bb1 Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:48 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2456751/Maddie-detectives-hunting-Germans-E-fit-German-speaking-men-revealed-week-McCanns-pray-Crimewatch-reconstruction-results-breakthrough

Maddie detectives hunting two 'Germans': E-fit of German-speaking men revealed this week as McCanns pray Crimewatch reconstruction results in a breakthrough
Scotland Yard were aware of the two men when Maddie went missing in 2007
They were dismissed but the investigation team now want to find them
E-fits of the suspects will be broadcast on Crimewatch on Sunday at 9pm
Similar appeals will be made on Dutch and German television next week
Kate and Gerry McCann will fly to Munich to make live appeal on Wednesday


British detectives hunting for missing Madeleine McCann are looking for two German-speaking men whose computer-generated images will be broadcast on special TV appeals this week.
Scotland Yard says the un-identified men were seen in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz at the time when Madeleine, then aged three, went missing on May 3, 2007.
Witnesses told Portuguese police who originally investigated the case that they saw two German-speaking men at the resort that day, but little or no importance was placed on them at the time.
Now British detectives are keen to trace the two individuals to establish if they are connected to Madeleine’s disappearance or to eliminate them from the investigation, a Scotland Yard spokesman said.

The E-Fit (Electronic Facial Identification Technique) images of individuals based on eyewitness reports will be broadcast on Crimewatch on BBC1 at 9pm.
Similar appeals will be made on Dutch programme Opsporing Verzocht (Investigation Required) on Tuesday night, and on the German version of Crimewatch, Aktenzeichen XY . . .  Ungelost (Case Files XY . . . Unsolved) on Wednesday night, as Madeleine’s parents make an international appeal for information.
Kate and Gerry McCann, both 45, will fly to Munich on Wednesday to make a live appeal from the studios of Aktenzeichen, which is watched by five million viewers.

A spokesman for the German programme said: ‘The reviewing and analysis of all available information has led to new insights and leads that, for the first time, point to Germany.
Aktenzeichen shows the photofits of two men, who apparently spoke German, and to whom little or no importance was previously attached.’
The McCanns previously visited Germany in 2007 to make an appeal because a high number of German tourists were in the Algarve region when Madeleine went missing.

The latest mugshots will also be shown on Dutch TV as the two ‘German speakers’ may have been talking Dutch, as the two languages are often confused, said a police source in the Netherlands.
Tomorrow’s Crimewatch programme will feature a dramatic reconstruction of the moment Madeleine went missing, giving the most detailed sequence of events ever made public that led to her disappearance from the holiday apartment where she was sleeping.
The reconstruction – which includes Mr McCann’s 6pm tennis lesson when Madeleine acted as ballgirl – will be accompanied by a moving interview by presenter Kirsty Young with Kate and Gerry McCann.
They talk about how much they miss Madeleine, who would be ten today. They will make a live appeal for members of the public to come forward with information.
In a statement, the McCanns said: ‘We are greatly encouraged by new information coming to light, with the pieces of the jigsaw now fitting together.

‘We are really hopeful that the appeal on Crimewatch will bring further evidence which will take us a step closer to finding Madeleine.’
The Met refused to comment on whether the two men they were looking for were German-speakers, but a family friend said that detectives were on the ‘brink of a breakthrough’.
The Met officer leading the investigation, Detective Inspector Andy Redwood, will make a live appeal for information on the programme

Since Scotland Yard began reviewing the case in 2011, detectives have interviewed 442 people in 30 different countries and have drawn up a list of 41 potential suspects.
Officers are pursuing 4,920 lines of inquiry, of which 2,123 had been ‘completed’.’
Detectives now believe that their ‘timeline’ holds the key to discovering what happened to Madeleine. Det Insp Redwood said: ‘Our work has significantly changed the accepted version of events and it has allowed us to highlight very specific appeal points.
‘I hope that when the public see our investigative strands drawn together, it will bring in new information that moves our investigation forward.



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Post  bb1 Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:53 pm

Express: Accepted version of events is wrong Bennet10

Deluded, straw-clutching fool. And hasn't he forgotten a certain promise he made?
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Post  lily Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:06 pm

Oh. Shocked  You mean this?



Yes, he seems to be afflicted with amnesia......
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Post  rhodes Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:07 pm

wonder if the abductor was actually in room when Gerry was there?
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Post  lily Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:11 pm

Don't know, rhodes.
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Post  rhodes Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:23 pm

we'll find out Monday...not sure if this coverage BEFORE Monday is a good or bad thing.It might well give someone the heads up..............double edged sword though isn't it....
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Post  bb1 Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:27 pm

It's hard to know what is the right thing, isn't it? There's good and bad in every choice of action.

Maybe I'm being too hopeful, but it does look as if the Yard are definitely on the trail of someone now?
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Post  lily Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:29 pm

This has got to be the most aggressively anyone has investigated poor Madeleine's abduction until now?

Anything seems possible?
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Post  bb1 Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:32 pm

Myths are wondering if it's to do with the Smith sighting:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2602.75

If they saw their man earlier than previously thought, then it does make sense, instead of being a meaningless, but irritating, loose end?

Dunno. I have absolutely NO idea.
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Post  bb1 Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:46 pm

Kirstie ‏@HarvestGoddessx
6 years and suddenly they realize they got the timeline wrong what the actual feck! #McCann take your propaganda and shove it up your ass


McCann-haters aren't taking this news well at all. Pcorneater 
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Post  bb1 Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:54 pm

How correct this is I do not know, but according to Dhingra on inJustice:


No, the timeline is being reviewed on the basis of mobile phone evidence, suggesting that she went missing earlier than previously thought. Watch BBC news on its news channel just after midnight.

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I think they mean everyone up to this point has had it wrong. The investigations have been based on an incorrect timeline. The new one, which is evidence-based is suggesting that she went missing earlier than I presume between 9.30-10.00. I will watch the coverage to see if they mention the thing I know about, which I think is the basis for this.


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Time will tell.

Oh, won't it be dreadful if the forkers have spent years of their lives rabbitting on, If X was there, then Y couldn't be there, and Z couldn't have happened.....etc....

And it's all been totally wrong. Be a shame that, wouldn't it, a waste of time like that? Pcorneater 
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Post  bb1 Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:07 am

OK, I've watched the BBC report, and I'm none the wiser.
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Post  lily Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:13 am

It will have been a complete waste of time but......they will now have something else to discuss, or maybe not? rofl rofl rofl 
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Post  bb1 Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:16 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24509235

Madeleine McCann: Crimewatch to show 'fresh version of events'

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The timeline and accepted version of events surrounding Madeleine McCann's disappearance have "significantly changed", British police say.

The Metropolitan Police said a BBC Crimewatch appeal to be aired on Monday would feature "the most detailed reconstruction" of the case yet.

It will also broadcast e-fits of a number of men police want to find.

Madeleine, of Rothley, Leicestershire, was three when she went missing in Portugal in May 2007.

She disappeared from her family's holiday flat in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz, as her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, dined out with friends at a nearby restaurant.

Portuguese authorities dropped their investigation into the case in 2008, but Scotland Yard started a review in May 2011.

'New significance'
The purpose of the Crimewatch appeal, which police are describing as the "most complex and detailed" so far in the case, is to try to identify a number of computer-generated images, or e-fits, of men who were sighted in and around Praia da Luz on or before Thursday 3 May 2007.

As part of that effort, a reconstruction - almost 25 minutes long - of events leading up to and surrounding Madeleine's disappearance will be shown.

A short clip released in advance by police shows an actress playing Madeleine running across a tennis court as two adults, apparently her parents, play a game.



When it's a special occasion, when you should be at your happiest, and Madeleine's not there, that's when it really hits home”

Gerry McCann


During the search for their daughter, the McCann family released a photograph of Madeleine, believed to be one of the last taken of her during the holiday, holding several tennis balls.

Det Ch Insp Andy Redwood, who is heading the investigation, said: "The timeline we have now established has given new significance to sightings and movements of people in and around Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.

"Our work to date has significantly changed the timeline and the accepted version of events that has been in the public domain to date.

"It has allowed us to work with Crimewatch to build the most detailed reconstruction as yet, and highlight very specific appeal points.

"I hope that when the public see our investigative strands drawn together within the overall context of that appeal, it will bring in new information that moves our investigation forward."

DCI Redwood said that police had sought to "try and draw everything back to zero... take everything back to the beginning and then reanalyse and reassess everything, accepting nothing".

Phone records
He added: "The careful and critical analysis of the timeline has been absolutely key. Primarily, we are focused on the area between 8.30pm and 10pm.

"We know that at 8.30, that was the time that Mr and Mrs McCann went down to the tapas area for their dinner, and we know that at around 10pm, that was when Mrs McCann found that Madeleine was missing."

Madeleine's parents will make a live appeal in the studio during the programme and, ahead of the broadcast, they told the BBC how much they still miss her.

"When it's a special occasion, when you should be at your happiest, and Madeleine's not there, that's when it really hits home," Mr McCann said.

Mrs McCann added: "It's when you have the big family occasions... and you haven't got your complete family."

Earlier this month, police said phone records may be key to the case after it emerged officers were analysing data from phones belonging to people who were in Praia da Luz when Madeleine vanished.

The Crimewatch appeal will also be broadcast in the Netherlands and Germany.


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Sounds to me like he's torn up Gonc's 'investigation' and flushed it down the toilet?
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Post  bb1 Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:18 am

Det Ch Insp Andy Redwood, who is heading the investigation, said: "The timeline we have now established has given new significance to sightings and movements of people in and around Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine's disappearance
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Post  bb1 Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:22 am

Our work to date has significantly changed the timeline and the accepted version of events that has been in the public domain to date.

All that armchair defecting for nothing! Serves them right! rofl 
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Post  lily Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:30 am

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl 

Imagine how much of that has been included in their er.....informative dossiers garbage sent on to the authorities?

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl 
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Post  bb1 Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:33 am

The Express has come online early, for once:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/436291/EXCLUSIVE-Events-and-timings-on-night-Madeleine-McCann-vanished-under-intense-scrutiny

EXCLUSIVE: Events and timings on night Madeleine McCann vanished under 'intense scrutiny'

THE known events surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are wrong, Scotland Yard sensationally announced last night.

By James Murray

In another bombshell development they also said the “timeline” of key events relating to the abduction is also incorrect.

For years it was thought Madeleine was taken at about 9.15 pm from her apartment 5 a of the Ocean Club complex at Praia da Luz on the Algarve in Portugal on May 3 2007.

However, Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood said last night: “Our work to date has significantly changed the timeline and the accepted version of events that has been in the public domain to date.”

Scotland Yard declined to give details of their new timeline, but his remarks provoked the question-just when was Madeleine abducted?

DCI Redwood said: “Primarily what we sought to do from the beginning is to try and draw everything back to zero if you like, try and take everything back to the beginning and then re analyse and re assess everything.”

A careful and critical analysis of the timeline has been “absolutely key” to the process, which has meant detectives concentrating on what exactly happened between 8. 30 pm and 10 pm on the night Madeleine was taken.

At 8.30pm Kate and Gerry went to the nearby Tapas bar for their dinner with seven holiday friends, leaving Madeleine, then three, and twins Sean and Amelie, then 18 months, alone in the apartment.

The McCann’s friend Jane Tanner has said that at about 9.15pm she saw a man carrying a small child walk away from apartment 5 a.

She saw the mystery man as she walked past Gerry McCann and holidaymaker Jez Wilkins, who were standing by a sidegate to apartment 5a. They did not see her.

DCI Redwood said at 10 pm Kate went to the apartment to find Madeleine was not there.

The revelations came as Crimewatch released moving film of their special reconstruction to be screened on BBC One tomorrow night, showing a child actress as Madeleine playing tennis with her parents Kate and Gerry, played by actors.

The little girl looks uncannily like Madeline, who was pictured holding tennis balls aged three shortly before she was taken from the Ocean Club.

Moving images of the heart rending re-enactment can be seen on our website along with an emotional interview with Kate and Gerry and the officer leading the Scotland Yard team, DCI Redwood.

The new information comes at a crucially important week in the investigation, which has become a mammoth operation now spreading deep into the heart of Europe with television appeals going out in Holland on Tuesday and in Germany on Wednesday.

The Crimewatch reconstruction was filmed in Spain, lasts almost 25 minutes and will feature e fits of potential suspects.

DCI Redwood said: “Through meticulously drawing together specific information the team have been able to refocus the timeline and now place more significance on events that night.

“The timeline we have now established has given new significance to sightings and movements of people in and around Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance.

“It has allowed us to work with Crimewatch to build the most detailed reconstruction as yet, and highlight very specific appeal points.

“I hope that when the public see our investigative strands drawn together within the overall context of that appeal, it will bring in new information that moves our investigation forward.”

A Yard spokesperson would not be drawn on details but added: ‘‘Through meticulously drawing together specific information the team have been able to refocus the timeline and now place more significance on events that night.”

The spokesperson added: “Also featuring in the appeal will be a number of e-fits of men that police are keen to speak to. They were all sightings in and around Praia da Luz in the days before and on Thursday, 3 May 2007 - the day of Madeleine’s disappearance.

“The purpose of the appeal is to try and identify these men, to eliminate any innocent sightings or to establish if they are connected in any way.

“The McCann’s will make a live appeal in the studio, supported by the senior investigating officer, Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood.”

The Operation Grange incident room at Belgravia police station will be staffed during the appeal and the days that follow.

A dedicated call centre will also be opened at Hendon police training centre.

In what must be difficult scenes for the McCanns to watch, a blonde haired child actress plays he role of their daughter to recreate a once happy family moment before the abduction, when the McCanns played tennis with their daughter on courts by the pool of the Ocean Club complex.

n a real picture, smiling Madeleine, wearing pink shorts, top and a floppy hat, is seen smiling as she holds tennis balls.

The unnamed child actress, wearing similar clothes, recreates the scene, happily running around the court as actors playing her parents hit balls.

In a pre recorded interview for Crimewatch, strained looking Kate and Gerry are asked about the impact of Madeleine’s disappearance and the hole that it has left in their lives.

Gerry said: “When you should be at your happiest, when Madeleine’s not there...that’s when it really hits home..obviously Madeleine’s birthday goes without saying.”

Kate adds: “It’s when you have big family occasions and you haven’t got your complete family.”
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Post  rhodes Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:36 am

not watched Crimewatch in years, so is a 25 minute reconstruction long?

the antis aren't taking all of this very well are they? Though normal people are happy things seem to be moving on for Madeleine's sake.
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