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Mirror: Yard wants to interview five ex-pat property owners
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-trail-five-3434162#ixzz2zN5RQFRw
Apr 19, 2014 22:00 By Matthew Drake
British detectives want to quiz them over who was in their apartments when the tot was abducted seven years ago
Missing: Madeleine McCann
Madeleine McCann police are trying to trace five mystery Britons who owned flats in the block where she vanished.
British detectives want to quiz them over who was in their apartments when the tot was abducted seven years ago.
But we can reveal all five – whose identities have been withheld from police under Portuguese data protection laws – have allegedly refused to allow managers at the Algarve complex to pass their details to the Scotland Yard’s Operation Grange team.
A source said: “They could hold vital clues to what happened. But it is down to the individuals if they want to get involved.
“They were all asked by email if they were happy for their names to be put forward to the investigation – and they said they were not.
“It may be that they did not want to get caught up in such a high profile case, but they could know something critical about Madeleine’s disappearance and may not even be aware of it.”
Philip Coburn / Sunday MirrorPraia Da Luz Ocean Club Resort
Snatch flats: Five owners refuse to help investigation
Police are working on the theory that three-year-old Madeleine’s abductor spied on her from inside the 59-block Ocean Club complex of holiday flats in Praia da Luz.
Nearly all of the owners at the time were believed to be British and it has been claimed some properties may have been sub-let during May 2007 without the owners’ knowledge.
Anybody with access to certain apartments could easily have kept an eye on the McCanns’ movements without looking suspicious.
Madeleine’s dad Gerry has said he thinks they were being watched throughout their family break in apartment 5A.
Officers are believed to have questioned owners of all but five of the remaining 58 flats after they agreed to help the investigation.
They have pinpointed the mystery leaseholders as “persons of interest” who could help them unlock the case although none are suspected of wrongdoing.
But Scotland Yard has been hampered by a combination of data protection regulations and the botched original Portuguese investigation.
It is understood that a full list of owners was never made available even to local police.
Sub-letting at the complex has made detectives’ work even harder as they try to build a picture of who was where at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance.
Our source said: “Operation Grange is trying to gather data through several agencies to collate a full picture of who was at the resort at that time.
“They are working hard to gather this information as quickly as possible and have appealed for full co-operation from everybody involved. But they are having to tread on eggshells.
"They would happily go round Praia da Luz and knock on doors asking everybody for information if they could.
“But they are still waiting for permission on the international letters of request they have sent to the Portuguese.”
The formal letters are used to ask the Portuguese police to carry out certain pieces of work on the British force’s behalf.
“The frustrations at Scotland Yard are growing day by day,” said our source.
“The Portuguese police just keep referring them to what is in their files and that is not the full picture.”
A source close to Madeleine’s heartbroken parents Gerry and Kate said: “It is deeply disappointing that these five owners have chosen not to come forward.”
A spokesman for Mark Warner, who own the Ocean Club, would only say: “It has been our policy not to comment on the Madeleine McCann case for a quite a few years now.”
Madeleine’s parents are now preparing to mark the seventh anniversary of her disappearance on May 3.
Detectives are believed to be preparing to make critical arrests in the case as soon as they are given the green light to act on Portuguese soil by judges.
A source said: “It seems there is lots of evidence still to work through.
“If they are finally given permission to act it will be the Portuguese police making the arrests alongside the Met and it will be the same when it comes to the questioning.”
Clarence Mitchell, a spokesman for the McCanns, said: “Kate and Gerry will not comment on any operational detail concerning Grange. It is purely a matter for Scotland Yard to pursue.”
Apr 19, 2014 22:00 By Matthew Drake
British detectives want to quiz them over who was in their apartments when the tot was abducted seven years ago
Missing: Madeleine McCann
Madeleine McCann police are trying to trace five mystery Britons who owned flats in the block where she vanished.
British detectives want to quiz them over who was in their apartments when the tot was abducted seven years ago.
But we can reveal all five – whose identities have been withheld from police under Portuguese data protection laws – have allegedly refused to allow managers at the Algarve complex to pass their details to the Scotland Yard’s Operation Grange team.
A source said: “They could hold vital clues to what happened. But it is down to the individuals if they want to get involved.
“They were all asked by email if they were happy for their names to be put forward to the investigation – and they said they were not.
“It may be that they did not want to get caught up in such a high profile case, but they could know something critical about Madeleine’s disappearance and may not even be aware of it.”
Philip Coburn / Sunday MirrorPraia Da Luz Ocean Club Resort
Snatch flats: Five owners refuse to help investigation
Police are working on the theory that three-year-old Madeleine’s abductor spied on her from inside the 59-block Ocean Club complex of holiday flats in Praia da Luz.
Nearly all of the owners at the time were believed to be British and it has been claimed some properties may have been sub-let during May 2007 without the owners’ knowledge.
Anybody with access to certain apartments could easily have kept an eye on the McCanns’ movements without looking suspicious.
Madeleine’s dad Gerry has said he thinks they were being watched throughout their family break in apartment 5A.
Officers are believed to have questioned owners of all but five of the remaining 58 flats after they agreed to help the investigation.
They have pinpointed the mystery leaseholders as “persons of interest” who could help them unlock the case although none are suspected of wrongdoing.
But Scotland Yard has been hampered by a combination of data protection regulations and the botched original Portuguese investigation.
It is understood that a full list of owners was never made available even to local police.
Sub-letting at the complex has made detectives’ work even harder as they try to build a picture of who was where at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance.
Our source said: “Operation Grange is trying to gather data through several agencies to collate a full picture of who was at the resort at that time.
“They are working hard to gather this information as quickly as possible and have appealed for full co-operation from everybody involved. But they are having to tread on eggshells.
"They would happily go round Praia da Luz and knock on doors asking everybody for information if they could.
“But they are still waiting for permission on the international letters of request they have sent to the Portuguese.”
The formal letters are used to ask the Portuguese police to carry out certain pieces of work on the British force’s behalf.
“The frustrations at Scotland Yard are growing day by day,” said our source.
“The Portuguese police just keep referring them to what is in their files and that is not the full picture.”
A source close to Madeleine’s heartbroken parents Gerry and Kate said: “It is deeply disappointing that these five owners have chosen not to come forward.”
A spokesman for Mark Warner, who own the Ocean Club, would only say: “It has been our policy not to comment on the Madeleine McCann case for a quite a few years now.”
Madeleine’s parents are now preparing to mark the seventh anniversary of her disappearance on May 3.
Detectives are believed to be preparing to make critical arrests in the case as soon as they are given the green light to act on Portuguese soil by judges.
A source said: “It seems there is lots of evidence still to work through.
“If they are finally given permission to act it will be the Portuguese police making the arrests alongside the Met and it will be the same when it comes to the questioning.”
Clarence Mitchell, a spokesman for the McCanns, said: “Kate and Gerry will not comment on any operational detail concerning Grange. It is purely a matter for Scotland Yard to pursue.”
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But Scotland Yard has been hampered by a combination of data protection regulations and the botched original Portuguese investigation.
It is understood that a full list of owners was never made available even to local police.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-trail-five-3434162#ixzz2zNs8CUuU
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That should get the Gonzo fan club worked up again.
It is understood that a full list of owners was never made available even to local police.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-trail-five-3434162#ixzz2zNs8CUuU
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That should get the Gonzo fan club worked up again.
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Gonzo and his fans are perfectly suited to each other.
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Few would be surprised if an expat/s were involved in this. Except the wearers of hategoggles, who can't see the wood for the trees.
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They do seem likely possible suspects so why not?
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Very predictable ranting and raving in progress on the hate sites.
Wouldn't they be better employed asking their beloved Amaral to explain this? Following the remark about the botched original investigation, the Mirror claims:
It is understood that a full list of owners was never made available even to local police.
Did Gonzo do ANY of the most basic police work? Probably not, it took much less effort for him to pass May 4th waking up, drinking his breakfast and deciding then that the parents DONE IT.
Maybe he was too preoccupied with him being made an arguido that day because of his conduct in another missing child case?
Wouldn't they be better employed asking their beloved Amaral to explain this? Following the remark about the botched original investigation, the Mirror claims:
It is understood that a full list of owners was never made available even to local police.
Did Gonzo do ANY of the most basic police work? Probably not, it took much less effort for him to pass May 4th waking up, drinking his breakfast and deciding then that the parents DONE IT.
Maybe he was too preoccupied with him being made an arguido that day because of his conduct in another missing child case?
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I honestly don't understand how anyone could possibly excuse that shameful lapse. It must be basic police work for any force in any country.
Am speechless.
Am speechless.
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What we are seeing here is a situation typical of a fascist or communist police force - the accused is guilty as charged and is expected to prove his innocence, totally the reverse in a democratic country. As I have said before some time ago, the PJ urgently needs to be purged of all the old men and restaffed with people not tainted with the old regime. I can see why many people do not understand the PJ, they are almost alien in their narrow, blinkered version of justice. LLlily wrote:I honestly don't understand how anyone could possibly excuse that shameful lapse. It must be basic police work for any force in any country.
Am speechless.
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Thanks LL. I have to say how sorry I feel for the everyday ordinary people there under those conditions.
I guess that that is why we have read about such outrageous cases such as the Cipriano one and Jacinta Rees and others?
I guess that that is why we have read about such outrageous cases such as the Cipriano one and Jacinta Rees and others?
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It's terrifying to see how many of the assorted numties, hounders, etc., think that if the police - any police - charge someone, that person is automatically guilty.
A lot of them also seem to think that juries and judges exist only to rubberstamp whatever the police have decided. Combined with the nonsense spread by Morais and her ilk that the PJ are the world's only infallible police force, their lynch-mob attitude is reinforced where the McCanns are concerned.
And isn't it interesting that some of the nastiest haters are ex-pats? That some of the nastiest falsehoods and malicious gossip has also come from ex-pats in the PDL area? Let's hope it's only their property values they're worried about.
A lot of them also seem to think that juries and judges exist only to rubberstamp whatever the police have decided. Combined with the nonsense spread by Morais and her ilk that the PJ are the world's only infallible police force, their lynch-mob attitude is reinforced where the McCanns are concerned.
And isn't it interesting that some of the nastiest haters are ex-pats? That some of the nastiest falsehoods and malicious gossip has also come from ex-pats in the PDL area? Let's hope it's only their property values they're worried about.
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It is very telling, Bonny. You have written some very thought provoking words concerning property values etc.
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Good point from Tony:
http://thehoundingofthemccans.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/the-same-post-rehashed-more-of-addendum.html
I don't believe it has entered their skeleton bony case that encloses and protects the brain, that they're the reason why the five ex-patriots do not want their identities revealed. The poor souls would be ripped apart by the evil minded despots who dwell on the afore mentioned twitter hash. Their family life would be exposed and torn to shreds by the vile festering anti McCanns.
If any of the ex-pats have seen the bile, stalking and abuse spewed by the McCann-haters, they will be terrified their identities become known.
The hounders would be Researching their grannies' blood groups in minutes, and they would all be trying to find imaginary Connections to masons and GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE.
http://thehoundingofthemccans.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/the-same-post-rehashed-more-of-addendum.html
I don't believe it has entered their skeleton bony case that encloses and protects the brain, that they're the reason why the five ex-patriots do not want their identities revealed. The poor souls would be ripped apart by the evil minded despots who dwell on the afore mentioned twitter hash. Their family life would be exposed and torn to shreds by the vile festering anti McCanns.
If any of the ex-pats have seen the bile, stalking and abuse spewed by the McCann-haters, they will be terrified their identities become known.
The hounders would be Researching their grannies' blood groups in minutes, and they would all be trying to find imaginary Connections to masons and GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE.
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Tony definitely calls it as he sees it and always correctly.
By the way, love his description of them on twitter - Twitter trash.
You know how obsessed they are about imaginary Government Interference, Bonny.
By the way, love his description of them on twitter - Twitter trash.
You know how obsessed they are about imaginary Government Interference, Bonny.
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Speaking of ex-pat property owners, looks like dirtymac has been whining to ex-pat media and pretending to be important..
From:
http://portugalresident.com/british-media-slammed-for-%E2%80%9Crehashing%E2%80%9D-madeleine-stories
Said one critic, a retired British policeman who has been closely following the Metropolitan Police investigation since it began nearly three years ago: “Is this really the sum total of another year’s ‘hard work’?
“Has Scotland Yard spent another million, eight more visits to the PJ and a whole year - NOT finding out who owns those apartments? Honestly?”
According to the policeman, the source for this latest rehash story - “as well as all the others that have preceded it” - is the McCann’s press spokesman, Clarence Mitchell.
In 2008, Mitchell was described by former Portuguese police federation chief Carlos Anjos as a man who “lies with as many teeth as he has in his head”.
“Mitchell is still clearly in charge of this rubbish”, the retired policeman told Algarve Resident. “Why does no one expose him?”
Mayhap the media would be better employed exposing dirtymac and Bennett as a pair of prurient old men that dribble about 'clothing' and 'positions' when discussing pictures of missing little girls?
Or, he could find a more productive hobby than hating the family of a missing child and meddling in efforts to find her? Cleaning the dogsh*t from round his pool to save him embarrassing reviews from his unfortunate guests might do for starters.
Anyway, it's got naff all to do with him - or any of the other haters - what the REAL police do, so they'll just have to whine impotently. That's one thing they're good at.
From:
http://portugalresident.com/british-media-slammed-for-%E2%80%9Crehashing%E2%80%9D-madeleine-stories
Said one critic, a retired British policeman who has been closely following the Metropolitan Police investigation since it began nearly three years ago: “Is this really the sum total of another year’s ‘hard work’?
“Has Scotland Yard spent another million, eight more visits to the PJ and a whole year - NOT finding out who owns those apartments? Honestly?”
According to the policeman, the source for this latest rehash story - “as well as all the others that have preceded it” - is the McCann’s press spokesman, Clarence Mitchell.
In 2008, Mitchell was described by former Portuguese police federation chief Carlos Anjos as a man who “lies with as many teeth as he has in his head”.
“Mitchell is still clearly in charge of this rubbish”, the retired policeman told Algarve Resident. “Why does no one expose him?”
Mayhap the media would be better employed exposing dirtymac and Bennett as a pair of prurient old men that dribble about 'clothing' and 'positions' when discussing pictures of missing little girls?
Or, he could find a more productive hobby than hating the family of a missing child and meddling in efforts to find her? Cleaning the dogsh*t from round his pool to save him embarrassing reviews from his unfortunate guests might do for starters.
Anyway, it's got naff all to do with him - or any of the other haters - what the REAL police do, so they'll just have to whine impotently. That's one thing they're good at.
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How very trolly! Look who's agreeing with himself in the comments:
Peter MacLeod
Peter MacLeod
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Peter MacLeod, you are insane.
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