Death in the Middle East

This says it as it is. LL

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-war-us-lawmakers-full-support-055517701.html

Funny how Washington is always ready to back slaughter going on thousands of miles away (I stress Washington, not the good people of America). I doubt if Israel would be bombing women and children if it didn't have the backing of Washington; these leeches, cheering on the death and destruction from the safety of another continent are as much to blame as Israel, IMO.

I've been reading around, and it seems there has been a huge increase in attacks on jewish people, and synagogues, in Europe - that's one genie we all hoped would never get out of its bottle again.

Israel and the US seem to think that they can somehow keep the violence within the borders of Gaza, but IMO, they've lit a fire which is going to rage out of control, worldwide, with unforseen consequences for yet more innocent people.

I found some interesting reading regarding anti-semitism. LL

http://www.catholiccourier.com/news/local-news/anti-semitism-has-long-complex-history/

http://historicity-was-already-taken.tumblr.com/post/21408924447/overview-why-anti-semitism-exists

http://atheism.about.com/library/glossary/judaism/bldef_antisemitism.htm

That is interesting, LL, I hadn't realised that the French Revolution and secularism had, paradoxically, succeeded in making matters worse.

The three Abrahamic one-god religions have caused more bloodshed over the centuries than all the so-called 'pagan' faiths combined.

Found this:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/day-22-five-soldiers-killed-four-of-them-in-mortar-attack-idf-bombards-gaza/#liveblog-entry-1038715

Hebrew transcript of Obama and Netanyahu’s phone call
Israel’s Channel 1 publishes a Hebrew transcript of a portion of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and US President Barack Obama’s telephone conversation Sunday, in which Obama is insistent that Israel unilaterally halt all military activities in the Gaza Strip.

The following is an English translation of the Hebrew account of the talk given in the report:

Barack Obama: I demand that Israel agrees to an immediate, unilateral ceasefire and halt all offensive activities, in particular airstrikes.

Benjamin Netanyahu: And what will Israel receive in exchange for a ceasefire?

BO: I believe that Hamas will cease its rocket fire — silence will be met with silence.

BN: Hamas broke all five previous ceasefires. It’s a terrorist organization dedicated to the destruction of Israel.

BO: I repeat and expect Israel to stop all its military activities unilaterally. The pictures of destruction in Gaza distance the world from Israel’s position.

BN: Kerry’s proposal was completely unrealistic and gives Hamas military and diplomatic advantages.

BO: Within a week of the end of Israel’s military activities, Qatar and Turkey will begin negotiations with Hamas based on the 2012 understandings, including Israel’s commitment to removing the siege and restrictions on Gaza.

BN: Qatar and Turkey are the biggest supporters of Hamas. It’s impossible to rely on them to be fair mediators.

BO: I trust Qatar and Turkey. Israel is not in the position that it can choose its mediators.

BN: I protest because Hamas can continue to launch rockets and use tunnels for terror attacks –

BO: (interrupting Netanyahu) The ball’s in Israel’s court, and it must end all its military activities.


As usual with leaked convos, it's hard to judge the accuracy, but I don't think even Netanyahu would dare annoy the US even further by faking one?

Both the US and Israel are denying it's genuine, which raises even more questions.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-29/shocked-white-house-slams-fabrication-after-israel-tv-leaks-damning-transcript-obama


1.With Russia clearly ignoring US "superpower" status and openly defying not only the US, but Europe, and hence NATO, Obama now has another foreign relations disaster on his hands, where a former close ally of the US is now openly refusing to bow down to US demands.

2.There is a leak in the highest echelons of US power, one which appears focused on exposing the administration in a position of weakness

3.The media tactics of fabrication and lies, so prevalent in the US vs Russia proxy war through the Ukraine, have now seeped over into US-Israel relations.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/24/israeli-strike-un-school-gaza-kills-women-children

UN condemns shelling of UNRWA school, saying it asked IDF for time to evacuate civilians, which was not given

 UN is about as much use as a headless chicken!    And the US still has a veto there which they have used many times, while Russia has used theirs twice.    LL

http://muzzlewatch.com/
http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/campaigns/no-more-us-vetoes-at-the-un
http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/geoff/UNresolutions.htm

If the UN lets Israel off with slaughtering civilians in UN refuges, then it is of no more use than the League of Nations was.

I see the UN is now sheltering a quarter of a million people in Gaza; is the UN going to do nothing while Israel wipes all of them out? Let's not forget, Israel has destroyed Gaza's electricity plant, which means hospitals cannot function properly, and water cannot be pumped out of the ground. And all this in the summer heat.

How often have we mentioned, on another thread, how 'barbaric' the Middle Ages were? They look like oases of civilization in comparison to what Israel is doing now.

A Holocaust survivor, who converted from Judaism to Islam fears for her daughter in Gaza. LL

http://news360.com/article/250249050#

And look at the hate and abuse from Israelis in the comments. There really is no hope for them. I don't think they even grasp that they are disgusting and enraging the entire world, apart from their supporters in the US.

bb1 wrote:And look at the hate and abuse from Israelis in the comments. There really is no hope for them. I don't think they even grasp that they are disgusting and enraging the entire world, apart from their supporters in the US.

The problem is that they are indoctrinated with the 'We are God's Chosen People' - since Islam and Christianity also follow the Book of God's Words, ie the Bible, surely they are also the Chosen People? The outright arrogance of these creatures is beyond belief, as one of the commenters said ".... something that is a disgrace in the eyes of others. For example, the expression "shonda fur de goyim" (a disgrace for non-Jews) means something done by a Jew that casts Jews in a negative light when non-Jews learn of it." Well, what is happening in Gaza is indeed a 'Shanda fur die Goyim' - the poster got it slightly wrong; my Yiddish is not perfect but as far as I remember the way I have put it is correct. . LL

'We are God's Chosen People'

I really dislike that phrase because it creates, as I said before, a massive case of sibling rivalry. Whatever or whoever God is, that being would NOT differentiate.

Parents do not love their eldest child more than their middle or youngest and this is something I find myself saying fairly often to other people. Any parent who has more than one child knows this themselves. However the concept is so powerful.

Regarding today's news, as usual, it is tragic and heartbreaking. Wish they would call a truce and start a real dialogue.......

Deciding you are the Chosen People isn't, IMO, much different to deciding you're the Master Race, and is likely to end just as badly if Israel continues on this course.

I really don't think Israel is going to stop unless they are made to stop, frankly. Obama could stop them, if he made it plain the money is going to be turned off, but I don't see pressure groups in the US letting him?

The Jewish Lobby in Washington decided after WW2 that everyone owed them for what was done to them by the Nazis, so no way are they going to pull in their horns.    And they are very powerful, made up of people with money and power, bankers, show business, TV execs, actors, rabbis, politicians etc.   LL

'THE WORLD STANDS DISGRACED': UN AID CHIEF PIERRE KRAHENBUHL'S REACTION TO SCHOOL STRIKE IN FULL
Last night, children were killed as they slept next to their parents on the floor of a classroom in a UN designated shelter in Gaza.
Children killed in their sleep. This is an affront to all of us, a source of universal shame. Today the world stands disgraced.
We have visited the site and gathered evidence. We have analysed fragments, examined craters and other damage. Our initial assessment is that it was Israeli artillery that hit our school, in which 3,300 people had sought refuge.
We believe there were at least three impacts. It is too early to give a confirmed official death toll.
But we know that there were multiple civilian deaths and injuries including of women and children and the UNRWA guard who was trying to protect the site.
These are people who were instructed to leave their homes by the Israeli army.
The precise location of the Jabalia Elementary Girls School and the fact that it was housing thousands of internally displaced people was communicated to the Israeli army seventeen times, to ensure its protection; the last being at 8.50pm last night, just hours before the fatal shelling.
I condemn in the strongest possible terms this serious violation of international law by Israeli forces.
This is the sixth time that one of our schools has been struck. Our staff, the very people leading the humanitarian response are being killed.
Our shelters are overflowing. Tens of thousands may soon be stranded in the streets of Gaza, without food, water and shelter if attacks on these areas continue.
We have moved beyond the realm of humanitarian action alone. We are in the realm of accountability.
I call on the international community to take deliberate international political action to put an immediate end to the continuing carnage.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2710397/15-Palestinians-killed-90-injured-Israeli-tank-shell-attack-UN-school-used-refugee-shelter.html#ixzz38yMrICeE
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They deserve to get some positive action on this. May they receive it.

lily wrote:They deserve to get some positive action on this.  May they receive it.  

The first time this happened, didn't the Israelis say it was a HAMAS rocket that misfired? I believe that like I believe the moon is made of cheese. LL

I don't believe a word Tel Aviv says, LL. They never produce any evidence of these things, just like they have never once produced any evidence of their 'human shields' claim, either.

If Israel wants to fight Hamas, fine, do it. But do it man to man, not by murdering children and other civilians trapped in an open air prison.

Just stop and think for a minute what it's like in Gaza right this minute, in the midsummer heat. No electricity, nothing, the dead and injured piling up round you, the stench of burning buildings, and all the time wondering if it's your turn to die as the bombs and shells rain down. With NOWHERE to run to safety.

Shame on the world for letting this happen; there is NO defence for it.

I don't have to stop and think, I know how hot it can get - been to Morocco. It's unbelievable that people who call themselves civilised can turn their backs on wholesale slaughter. And worse when governments prefer to deal with trivialities than stop this. LL

Can totally commiserate about the heat but not about anything else they are experiencing. It must be a living hell for them. These people are the pawns of the two sides not wishing to back down. Saying they are right.

Do they think of themselves as humans?

It seems Israel has now bombed a market during a ceasefire. Have they hit anything resembling a military target?

I am not sure which particular bit of bombing this was:

As I said.... a living hell.   

Maybe they are just going for leveling the place.      

HAMAS want is the freeing up of the borders. Maybe this is the wrong way to achieve that, but no humans should be living in such conditions. But I am afraid the Israelis have a total concentration camp mentality, they imprison people without trial, force-feed prisoners - in fact they behave just like those they profess to hate so much, the Nazis. Could it be that a kind of gene was inherited after the freeing of the camps that migrated to those set free? To me the Israelis are no better than those they despise, and guilty as hell of genocide. I hate that the Jews are getting the rough end of all this and being attacked because of the behaviorof a gang of murderous thugs. LL

LL, I don't know what to think. Maybe this is hate within some that has festered and this is the result? Don't really know to be honest.

I saw this link on the live news feed and the photos are before and after pics.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2710868/Razing-Gaza-Before-satellite-images-true-devastation-Israels-bombardment-700-homes-mosques-turned-rubble-400-craters-blight-war-zone.html

That's appalling. How on earth can any nation do this to people and call itself 'civilized'? It's not even going to accomplish ANYTHING. Netanyahu has painted a target on innocent Jewish people elsewhere in the world, and created more 'terrorists' than there were to begin with. Unless he thinks that people who have seen their homes destroyed and their families blown to bits are going to be grateful to Israel? No, people who have lost everything that mattered to them just don't care about anything except revenge...and on and on it goes, each atrocity worse than the one before it.

And I suspect Netanyahu's actions have just about guaranteed the ultimate destruction of Israel - the world has now run out of sympathy.

Try this for size. LL      

http://www.activistpost.com/2014/07/israeli-professor-rape-palestinian.html#!bq2I8g