War in Ukraine

bb1 wrote:Thing is, Lily, it isn't forgotten in Europe, and most certainly not in Russia. This all happened in living memory, not centuries ago.

I wish one of the Republican hopefuls would go on TV and ask, Why is the Obama administration supporting Nazis? Here is the proof that they are.....

I know it's not forgotten, Bonny.  It seems as if our guy might not care......all that matters is that not many folks here know it anymore......  

What really does worry me is that many Republicans are not much different from the Dems any more, or so it seems.  I wish one would......

http://rt.com/news/250073-ukraine-mp-killed-kiev/

Series of ‘bizarre suicides’ & murders: Former Ukrainian MP shot dead in Kiev
Published time: April 16, 2015 00:50 Get short URL

A former Ukrainian MP and active anti-Maidan activist, Oleg Kalashnikov, has been killed in his flat in Kiev. His killing is the latest in a series of odd deaths plaguing former government officials and ex-President Yanukovich’s party members.

The 52-year-old was found dead at his residence in Kiev on Wednesday evening. His death was “caused by a gunshot,” the Interior Ministry said in a statement announcing a police inquiry. Ukraine’s criminal investigation chief Vasily Paskal, took the investigation under personal control and promised to share motives and the preliminary results of the probe with reporters as soon as they become available.

The investigation is focused on five possible motives for the crime, according to Interior Minister’s senior adviser, Anton Gerashchenko.

So far the investigation considers the primary possible motive behind the killing to be Kalashnikov’s “political activity” linked with his “participation in the organization and financing” of counter-revolutionary events in Ukraine. Gerashchenko emphasized that Kalashnikov “had knowledge” of the anti-Maidan movement that resisted the coup last year and continues to challenge new authorities in Kiev.

“Without any doubt the deceased knew a lot about who and in what way financed anti-Maidan, which cost Yanukovich and his camarilla several million hryvnias per day. He takes these secrets with him to the grave,” Gerashchenko said, also listing some other leads on his Facebook page. Business debts, personal enmity, burglary attempt and “other versions of murder”are listed among other possible motives.

Ukrainian media reported that before the murder Kalashnikov received threats of physical violence for his political views, in particular for his drive to defend Ukrainians’ right to widely celebrate the 70th anniversary of WWII victory.

In a letter addressed to his friend before the murder, Kalashnikov allegedly wrote that an “open genocide on dissent, death threats and constant dirty insults” have become the “norm” following his open call to honor the memory of heroes and victims of the Great Patriotic War.

An acting Ukrainian MP and ex-spokesman for the extremist Right Sector group, Borislav Bereza, went further and alleged that Kalashnikov has been eliminated by his “former employers,” who were tying up loose ends, “scared” he could disclose details of their past activities. While part of the secret was “taken to the grave,” some information remained in “electronic form,” Bereza stated

“A series of bizarre suicides of ex-regionals [Members of the Party of Regions], and now the murder of Kalashnikov, raises questions to law enforcement authorities. I hope that Ukrainian society will get the answers,” Bereza said.

Meanwhile, Oleg Tsarev, parliamentary speaker of the self-proclaimed Novorossiya, agreed that Kalashnikov’s murder is the latest link in a chain of mysterious deaths of former supporters of the Party of Regions.

“Of course, this is a political murder. In Ukraine, it is now extremely difficult to maintain your point of view, not to give up, and to publicly express it,” Tsarev told Lifenews. “Of course, this is a retaliatory murder of the sane.”

The murder is meant as a warning for all those who dare to oppose Kiev government, which can do anything against the opponents, Tsarev believes.

In the past few months, at least eight former Ukrainian government officials died mysterious deaths, with most treated as suicides.

On January 29, former chairman of Kharkov region government, Aleksey Kolesnik, was found hanged.

On February 24, former Party of Regions member Stanislav Melnik died of a gunshot with his death treated as suicide.

On February 25, several hours before his trial, the Mayor of Melitopol Sergey Valter was found hanged leaving no suicide note.

The next day, February 26, deputy chief of Melitopol police, Aleksandr Bordyuga, who reportedly acted as Valter’s lawyer, was found dead in his garage.

On February 26, a former MP and ex-chairman of Zaporozhye Regional State Administration was found dead with a gun wound to his neck. His death is being investigated as a suicide.

On February 28, former member of the Party of Regions, Mikhail Chechetov, jumped from the window of his 17th floor apartment in Kiev, leaving a suicide note.

On March 14, a 32-year-old prosecutor Sergey Melnichuk fell from a window of a 9th floor apartment in Odessa.

No chance of any of them being properly investigated by the Kiev regime. They haven't even managed to bring anyone to trial for burning alive dozens of people in Odessa, despite the whole barbaric slaughter being captured on cameraphone.

No-one in the West even seems to care about that. Probably because the atrocity was carried out by the West's neo-nazis chums.

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/04/16/406606/ProRussia--journalist-shot-dead-in-Kiev

Unknown gunmen have shot dead a leading Ukrainian pro-Russian journalist in the capital Kiev, Ukraine's Interior Ministry says.

Oles Buzyna, well known for his pro-Russian opinion pieces published in Ukraine's Sevodnya daily, was shot dead outside his home in Kiev on Thursday afternoon.

"Today at 13M20(1020 GMT) ... two unidentifiable men in masks shot journalist Oles Buzyna," the ministry said in a statement.

Sources say the journalist regularly appeared on Russian television to comment on the ongoing crisis in east Ukraine. In his interviews, Buzyna had also called for the federalization of Ukraine.

Buzyna, 45, a supporter of former president, Viktor Yanukovych, is the latest victim in a series of allies of the country's former pro-Moscow leaders to die under suspicious circumstances. more at link.

http://rt.com/news/250529-ukraine-journalists-killed-database/

Personal details of murdered journalist & ex-MP found posted on Ukrainian 'enemies of state' database

The journalist and ex-MP who were gunned down in Kiev this week were on an ‘enemies of the state’ database – a social media website supported by the aide to Ukraine's interior minister. The bloggers also have a Twitter account to share ‘successes.’

The volunteer-made website calling itself ‘Mirotvorec’ (Peacekeeper), posts very thorough and comprehensive information on anyone who happens to make the list – journalists, activists, MPs opposing the current Kiev authorities' policies and rebels fighting against the government in the east. The posts include their addresses, social media account links, a substantial biography and any mentions in the Ukrainian press. There is also labeling involved e.g. “terrorist; supporter of federalization” and other tags.

The website indicates that politician Oleg Kalashnikov’s and journalist Oles Buzina's details were published on the site no more than 48 hours before both were found dead.

READ MORE: 2 Ukraine journalists killed in Kiev, Poroshenko suspects ‘provocation’

The website has its own social media account, which frequently tweets cryptic messages of “successful missions.”

центр МИРОТВОРЕЦЬ @psb4ukr
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Агент "404" вновь отличился. За успешное выполнение сегодняшнего боевого задания ему предоставлен краткосрочный отпуск. (vato-News)
10:00 - 16 апреля 2015

Tweet translation: Agent 404 has done it again. For successfully completing today's assignment, he has been granted a short-term vacation (vato-News) - Peacemaker center, 16 April 2015.

The website enjoys the support of at least one high-profile Ukrainian official: Anton Gerashchenko, an adviser to the interior minister and a member of the Ukrainian parliament. In one of his Facebook posts, he advised people to post updates to the website.

Praising the work of the website for helping him shoulder the heavy load of information on “terrorists” and “separatists,” Gerashchenko attacks the view that sharing extensive personal information is a breach of privacy.

“Not at all!” he says, citing Article 17 of the Ukrainian Constitution, which states, according to him, that “the defense of national sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine, ensuring its economic and information security is one of the external functions of the state, and is the business of all the people of Ukraine... Everyone who reports a name to the website, or another [resource] is doing the right thing,” Gerashchenko writes. more at link.

At least someone in the West is bothered about what is going on in Ukraine:

On Friday, UN General Secretary Ban Ki Moon released a statement expressing "serious concern" about the spate of murders in Ukraine, demanding a thorough investigation that will restore "the primacy of law."

But what else did anyone expect from Nazis, neo or otherwise?

It does make you wonder how this is going to end?

Badly, in a word, Lily. The arrogant barstewards have totally screwed up.

The US/NATO is NEVER going to get anywhere near Crimea now, Donbass will never submit to Kiev after the atrocities and bombings, Hungary is making noises about ethnic Hungarians in the chunk that used to be theirs, and Poland is rumoured to be eyeing up Galicia, which used to be Polish territory.

Ukraine is little more than a bankrupt police state, being kept afloat by the US. But even with the US 'training' the neo-nazis, Porky is going to be lucky not to end up dangling from a lamppost courtesy of enraged Ukrainians.

Anyone that thinks Putin wants to 'invade' and get lumbered with this mess is barking up the wrong tree, frankly. No-one in their right mind would want anything to do with what Ukraine has turned into.

Apart from Langley, of course, but they haven't been in their right minds for a very long time.

Did you see these, Lily?

http://redpilltimes.com/u-s-navy-tender-construction-work-sevastopol-crimea-hints-u-s-military-coveted-controlling-historic-russian-peninsula/

In 2013, the US Navy asked for tenders for work to be done in Sevastopol Harbour in 2014.




They really did think they were just going to waltz in there and grab Crimea.

Can you imagine how Americans would feel if China decided it was somehow entitled to own Pearl Harbour? That's the measure of the offence, and the arrogance.

 No I hadn't until now, Bonny.  

How many ways can I express being disgusted? 

There's nothing else anyone can feel except disgust when they see the extent of the lying and deceit from the West, Lily. The Cookie Coup, everything, it was all lies because they had made up their minds they were somehow entitled to Sebastopol Harbour.

And these lunatics have restarted the Cold War because they didn't get their own way.

Ah, but they can feel the power of it all.   Sick bar stewards,

A good piece from Ron Paul, on the total silence from the West over the murders being carried out in Ukraine by Our Gallant Neo-Nazi Allies:

http://www.infowars.com/political-murders-in-kiev-us-troops-to-ukraine/

Last week two prominent Ukrainian opposition figures were gunned down in broad daylight. They join as many as ten others who have been killed or committed suicide under suspicious circumstances just this year. These individuals have one important thing in common: they were either part of or friendly with the Yanukovych government, which a US-backed coup overthrew last year. They include members of the Ukrainian parliament and former chief editors of major opposition newspapers.

While some journalists here in the US have started to notice the strange series of opposition killings in Ukraine, the US government has yet to say a word.

And an excellent point:


Last week, just as the two political murders were taking place, the US 173rd Airborne Brigade landed in Ukraine to begin training Ukrainian national guard forces – and to leave behind some useful military equipment. Though the civil unrest continues in Ukraine, the US military is assisting one side in the conflict – even as the US slaps sanctions on Russia over accusations it is helping out the other side!

The US is deliberately trying to destablise Minsk2.

There are those who make such a humungous amount of money out of war and they don't seem like they want to stop.  

Exactly, Lily, and it disgusts me. The situation in Ukraine isn't about any great moral debate - indeed, the West is backing neo-Nazis. It's only about $$$$$$$$$ and globalism.

I watched something or other about the end of the Cold War (until Obama started it again) a few days ago. I realised something - Ronald Reagan didn't despise Russians, it was the Communist philosophy he rightly wanted to bring down, as he believed that would help ordinary people.

It was worlds apart from the disgusting conduct of Washington and the West in general these days, acting as if people are of no account, just obstacles in the way of their deranged globalism and greed.

That's right, Bonny.  It was the philosophy that was despised.  However, how fortunate for reality TV helping out in the freedumb movement..

From a longer piece, about the ongoing atrocities and murders being carried out by Our Gallant Allies, the Kiev neo-Nazis, a list of some of the more recent dead:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-22/when-did-we-all-become-murderers



• January 26 – Nikolai Sergienko, former deputy chief of Ukrainian Railways and a supporter of Viktor Yanukoych’s Party of Regions, reportedly shot himself with a hunting rifle. The windows were all locked from inside, and no note was found.
• January 29 – Aleksey Kolesnik, the former chairman of the Kharkov regional government and a prominent supporter of the now-banned Party of Regions, supposedly hung himself. There was no suicide note.
• February 24 – Stanislav Melnik, another former Party of Regions member of parliament, was found dead in his bathroom: he is said to have shot himself with a hunting rifle. We are told he left a suicide note of “apologies,” but what he was apologizing for has never been revealed, since the note has not been released.
• February 25 – Sergey Valter, former Party of Regions activist and Mayor of Melitopol, was found hanged hours before his trial on charges of “abuse of office” was set to begin. Whoever was responsible neglected to leave a “suicide” note.
• February 26 – Aleksandr Bordyuga, Valter’s lawyer and former deputy chief of Melitopol police, was found in his garage, dead, another “suicide.”
• February 26 – Oleksandr Peklushenko, a former Party of Regions member of parliament and chairman of Zaporozhye Regional State Administration, was found dead in the street with a gun wound to his neck. Officially declared a “suicide.”
• February 28 – Mikhail Chechetov, a professor of economics and engineering, former member of parliament from the Party of Regions, and former head of the privatization board, supposedly jumped from the seventeenth floor window of his Kiev apartment. Another “suicide”!
• March 14 – Sergey Melnichuk, a prosecutor and Party of Regions loyalist, “fell” from the ninth floor window of an apartment building in Odessa. Or was he pushed?
• April 15 – Oleg Kalashnikov, yet another prominent Party of Regions leader, died of a gunshot wound – the eighth since the beginning of the year.
• April 16 – Oles Buzina, historian and journalist, shot dead.
• April 16 – Serhiy Sukhobok, journalist, shot dead.
• April 17? – Olga Moroz, editor-in-chief of the Neteshinskiy Vestnik, found dead in her home. Her body showed ‘signs of violent death’.

G*d help them.

It's time someone did, Lily.

http://rt.com/news/252113-kiev-miners-protest-ukraine/

‘Where’s our money?’ Thousands of coal miners blockade Ukrainian govt



Miners bang their helmets on a barrier during a rally to demand the payment of their salaries in front of the government headquarters in Kiev April 22, 2015. (Reuters / Valentyn Ogirenko)

Thousands of coal miners from eastern Ukraine have taken to the streets in capital Kiev, protesting the closure of coal mines and demanding salary debts repaired. The protesters also wanted to talk to the PM, but Arseny Yatsenyuk ignored the call.

The rally began in front of the parliament building and the presidential administration Wednesday morning, with a group of miners managing to break inside the administration.

But the talks with the representatives of the authorities brought no result and the protesters relocated to the government headquarters, blocking the traffic at central Kreschatik Street.

The miner’s unions said that 5,000 people took part in the protest, TASS reported.

The miners banged their hard hats on the pavement, chanting “Shame on you” and “Where’s our money?”

They also demanded that Coal Industry Minister Vladimir Demchishina, who recently announced plans to close three unprofitable mines, be removed from his position.

“We come from a small mining town in Donbass [eastern Ukraine]. There’s no other work there, except for the mine. If it closes – our town will die out,” a wife of one of the miners complained.

The government headquarters was protected by several cordons of police, wearing riot gear and carrying shields.

However, there were no incidents reported between the demonstrators and security forces.

The miners wanted to discuss the situation directly with Yatsenyuk, but neither the PM nor any of his ministers went out to talk to the people.

After several hours the majority of the people dispersed, but 150 miners remaining near the government HQ declared an “infinite protest,” TASS reported.

They said that they won’t leave until the authorities comply with their demands and retract of the decision to close the mines....more at link.


I should think their pay is in some kleptocrat's offshore bank account by now.

I would say so, Bonny.  I mean look, don't those miners understand that the money can be better spent by those deserving kleptocrats?

If someone invented Ukraine, no-one would believe it. I suppose this is what you get when a state is run by thieving, corrupt, neo-nazi puppets.

What will happen when the worm turns?

Lily, I shudder to think what is going to happen next in Ukraine. The Western media don't report it - they don't even report the murders - but there is unrest throughout the country. And the neo-nazis are throwing their weight around with anyone that isn't a nazi.

In short, another triumph for Freedumbing.

bb1 wrote:It's time someone did, Lily.

Poor souls.  Are they being baited on purpose?

http://www.infowars.com/shock-video-ukrainian-neo-nazis-nail-rebel-fighter-to-cross-burn-him-alive/

SHOCK VIDEO: UKRAINIAN NEO-NAZIS NAIL REBEL FIGHTER TO CROSS, BURN HIM ALIVE
US-backed militants carry out brutal execution

by PAUL JOSEPH WATSON | APRIL 25, 2015
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Shocking video shows Ukrainian neo-nazi militia fighters carrying out an ISIS-style execution during which they nail a separatist rebel to a cross and then burn him alive.

The execution, which was reportedly carried out near the village of Shirokino, came with a message from Azov fighters to pro-Russian rebels; “All the separatists, traitors of Ukraine and militia fighters will be treated the same”.

And far from any outrage from the White House over this, as there was over the horrible death of the Jordanian pilot, the US has sent troops to Ukraine to TRAIN neo-Nazis.

Was watching a program about D-Day last night.  

My God this is unforgivable.