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Post  Lamplighter Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:27 am

Julian Assange's mother arrives in Ecuador to plead son's asylum case
By Marilia Brocchetto, CNN
July 29, 2012 -- Updated 0520 GMT (1320 HKT)

Julian Assange has been living in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London since applying for political asylum on June 19.

"Surely the president and his staff will make the best decision," she says
Julian Assange has been holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London since June 19
If he is sent to the U.S., he "could expect a sentence of death," she says
Ecuador says it will weigh the asylum request in its own time
(CNN) -- The mother of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange will meet with Ecuadorian authorities Monday to urge them to grant her son asylum.
Christine Assange, who arrived in the capital city Quito on Saturday, told reporters she will appeal to Ecuador's stance on human rights during her meeting.
"Surely, the president and his staff will make the best decision," Christine Assange said, according to a report in the state-run El Ciudadano website.
Her son has been holed up inside the Ecuadorian Embassy in London since applying for political asylum on June 19.
He is seeking to avoid being sent to Sweden over claims of rape and sexual molestation and said he fears if he is extradited there, Swedish authorities could hand him over to the United States.
If her son is sent to the United States, he "could expect a sentence of death or many years in prison with torture as they are doing now with Bradley Manning," Christine Assange said, according to the El Ciudadano report.
"If they did that to a U.S. citizen, they would have fewer qualms about doing it to a foreigner."
Manning is a U.S. Army intelligence analyst suspected of leaking hundreds of thousands of classified military and State Department documents while serving in Iraq. Many of those documents ended up on the WikiLeaks website.
He is being held on charges of aiding the enemy, wrongfully causing intelligence to be published on the Internet, transmitting national defense information and theft of public property or records, among others. He could go to prison for life if convicted.
Ecuador has said it is weighing Julian Assange's asylum request and will make the decision on its own, in its own time.
"Ecuador will make its own, independent decision," President Rafael Correa said in an interview to a local television station earlier this month. "The case is under review."
Correa noted that capital punishment exists in the United States for a "political crime," and that fact could be sufficient grounds to grant Julian Assange asylum.
Assange resisting extradition Will Assange achieve asylum? 101: WikiLeaks revealed
Correa also stressed he is not afraid of international repercussions that might stem from whatever decision Ecuador makes.
"We have to see whether everything that's being done in the case of Julian Assange is compatible with ... the constitution and our view of human rights, political rights and due process," the president said.
Julian Assange was arrested in Britain in 2010 because Swedish authorities wanted to question him about the sexual molestation and rape allegations, which he denies. His bail conditions included staying every night at the home of a supporter outside London.
UK police say he violated his bail by staying at the embassy. After he entered it, they served him with notice to turn himself in -- an order he ignored, marking a further violation.
Diplomatic protocol prevents police from entering the embassy to arrest him.
Christine Assange said Saturday her son was being treated well at the embassy.
"I am grateful for the facilities Ecuador offered to my son in London," she said.
Two women have accused Julian Assange of sexually assaulting them in August 2010, when he was visiting Sweden in connection with a WikiLeaks release of internal U.S. military documents. He was arrested in Britain that December and has been fighting extradition since, saying the allegations are retribution for his organization's disclosure of American secrets.
Susan Benn of the Julian Assange defense fund has said the United States had empaneled a grand jury in its goal to press charges against the WikiLeaks founder. Turning himself in to British authorities would start a process that would end with Julian Assange being extradited to the United States, Benn said.
WikiLeaks, which facilitates the anonymous leaking of secret information, has published about 250,000 confidential U.S. diplomatic cables, causing embarrassment to the government and others. It also has published hundreds of thousands of classified U.S. documents relating to the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Julian Assange sought refuge at the embassy five days after the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom dismissed a bid to reopen his appeal of the decision to send him to Sweden, his last option in British courts.
British officials have met with Ecuadorian authorities, but no information has been released about those meetings.

she will appeal to Ecuador's stance on human rights during her meeting - Hasn't the stupid creature heard that their attitude on that matter is not at all good, in fact it is very bad?

Ah, diddums, the Ecuadorians dragging their feet, are they? LL Hahau Hahau


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Post  bb1 Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:54 am

Oh, I'd forgotten all about him, LL.

So, through the pouring rain/heatwave/olympics, he's been stuck in the apartment which is the Ecuador embassy?

Almost like he's well, in jail?

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Post  Lamplighter Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:20 pm

The latest; it seems rumours have been flying about. LL

Julian Assange Not Granted Asylum Yet, Ecuador Says
Reuters | Posted: 08/14/2012 7:55 pm Updated: 08/15/2012 8:15 am
Ecuador, Reuters, Media News

* President Correa and foreign minister deny media rumors
* Decision on asylum for WikiLeaks founder expected this week

By Eduardo Garcia

QUITO, Aug 14 (Reuters) - Ecuador denied a report on Tuesday that it had granted amnesty to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, and the country's foreign minister said only he and President Rafael Correa could make the decision.

Assange has been taking refuge in the Ecuadorean Embassy in London for the past eight weeks to avoid extradition to Sweden, where he is wanted for questioning on sex crime allegations.

The former computer hacker, who enraged Washington in 2010 when his WikiLeaks website published thousands of secret U.S. diplomatic cables, says he fears he could be sent to the United States, where he believes his life would be at risk.

Correa has said a decision on Assange's application is likely before the end of this week and that he will meet his foreign minister, Ricardo Patino, on Wednesday to discuss the case.

However, Britain's Guardian newspaper cited unnamed Ecuadorean government officials as saying amnesty will be granted. The report brought a swift response from Correa.
" The story is false ... When we make the decision we'll explain very clearly the reasons, the legal framework, the analysis that we made to grant or not asylum to Mr Julian Assange," Cor rea told a press conference in the coastal city of Guayaquil.

Speaking to Reuters on the sidelines of an event in the highland city of Ambato, Foreign Minister Patino also criticized the report by The Guardian.

"Anonymous sources are useless. Only the president and myself will make the decision ... there's nothing yet," he said.

Earlier, Patino told Reuters that Ecuador was pondering not only whether to give Assange asylum, but also how he might avoid arrest in Britain should he try to head to South America.

BREACH OF BAIL TERMS

By diplomatic convention, British police cannot enter the embassy without Ecuador's approval. But the WikiLeaks founder has no way of boarding a flight to the Andean country without passing through London and exposing himself to arrest.

"It's not only about whether to grant the asylum, because for Mr. Assange to leave England he should have a safe pass from the British (government). Will that be possible? That's an issue we have to take into account," said Patino, who has led Ecuador's analysis of the case.

Assange is in breach of his British bail conditions and the police have said he is liable to arrest if he steps out of the Ecuadorean Embassy, which is in London's affluent Knightsbridge area, miles from any airport.

It appears unlikely that the British government would grant Assange safe passage to an airport as that would mean going against the Swedish arrest warrant and a ruling by Britain's own Supreme Court that the warrant was valid.

Leftist Correa, a self-declared enemy of "corrupt" media and U.S. "imperialism," said he sympathizes with Assange but also respects the British legal system and international law.

The British government has made it clear to Ecuador that it is determined to extradite Assange to Sweden, the Foreign Office said in a statement on Tuesday.

Roger Gherson, a lawyer and expert on British immigration law and related human rights issues, said a grant of asylum by Ecuador would not protect Assange from being sent to Sweden.

"It's not a get-out-of-jail-free card for any conduct anywhere in the world," Gherson told Reuters.

British and Ecuadorean authorities have been discussing the case but have not indicated what the solution could be.

Assange has not been charged with any offense in Sweden or the United States. Swedish prosecutors want to question him about allegations of rape and sexual assault made by two WikiLeaks supporters in 2010. Assange says he had consensual sex with the women.

If Correa's government were to grant Assange asylum, U.S. trade ties with Ecuador could suffer over the long-term, American business leaders and analysts said on Monday.

"It's not a move destined to win many new friends in Washington," said Eric Farnsworth of the Council of Americas, a group that represents companies doing business in Latin America.
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15 AUG, 2012, 10.12PM IST, REUTERS
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange faces arrest even if Ecuador grants asylum

LONDON: WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has no way of leaving his refuge in the Ecuadorean embassy in London without being arrested, even if Quito grants him asylum shortly, lawyers say.

The Australian has been in the embassy for eight weeks since losing a legal battle to avoid extradition to Sweden, where he is wanted to stand trial for rape.

Assange denies the accusations made by two female WikiLeaks supporters. He fears Sweden could send him on to the United States, where he believes authorities want to punish him for publishing thousands of secret U.S. diplomatic cables on WikiLeaks in 2010 in a major embarrassment for Washington.

President Rafael Correa, who is openly sympathetic to Assange, is expected to decide on his asylum request this week. However, approval would offer no legal protection in Britain where police will arrest him once they get a chance.

"The question of asylum is arguably a red herring," said former British government lawyer Carl Gardner.

Assange, who is also liable to arrest for skipping bail, would still have to find a way of getting from central London to South America without passing through British territory.

"I can't see the UK backing down and just allowing him safe passage out of the country," said Rebecca Niblock, an extradition specialist at London law firm Kingsley Napley.

"I think the UK will see their obligations under the European extradition system as overriding any diplomatic relations with Ecuador, who haven't really been considering their diplomatic relations with the UK, apparently."

"CLIMB OUT OF A WINDOW"

Assange would be protected from arrest if travelling in a diplomatic car, but the embassy is on the first floor of a building that is being watched by police day and night.

The tall red-brick block just behind the Harrods department store also houses the Colombian embassy and private apartments. A police van was parked outside the main entrance on Wednesday and police officers were patrolling the area in pairs.

The property has several gated entrances and a private car park, but the Ecuadorean embassy is not linked internally with any of them, making the front entrance its only point of exit, a security manager at the building told Reuters.

"There is no other exit. He is going to have to come out of the main entrance," said the manager, who asked not to be named. "There is no way to bring a vehicle in because the car park is private and it is not connected in any way to their premises."

He added: "He can climb out of a window, of course, but there are CCTV cameras everywhere."

Even if he somehow managed to get out of the building and into a waiting car unnoticed by police, he would have to leave the vehicle at some point to board a flight out of Britain, offering more opportunities for his arrest.

Other scenarios lawyers are discussing on the Internet include smuggling him out in a diplomatic bag, which would be illegal, or appointing him as an Ecuadorean diplomat to give him immunity. But lawyers and diplomats said neither was realistic.
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Post  bb1 Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:08 pm

They must be sick of the sight of him by now.
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Post  Lamplighter Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:14 pm

It's a scenario even a baby could understand; he leaves the Embassy, the boys in blue gently throw him in to Black Maria. End of story. LL
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Post  bb1 Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:14 pm

Oh dear....

Ecuador 'Shocked' By UK Threats Over Assange
Britain is accused of threatening to storm Ecuador's London embassy in an attempt to arrest the WikiLeaks founder.11:11pm UK, Wednesday 15 August 2012



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Ecuadorian authorities say they are "deeply shocked" by "threats" from the UK Government to enter its London embassy and arrest Wikileaks founder Julian Assange.

Ecuador's foreign minister has alleged that Britain threatened to storm his country's London embassy to arrest Mr Assange.

Ricardo Patino told a news conference that Ecuador had received a written threat from Britain that "it could assault our embassy" if Mr Assange was not handed over.

He said the threat was delivered to Ecuador's Foreign Ministry and ambassador in London.


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http://news.sky.com/story/973107/ecuador-shocked-by-uk-threats-over-assange
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Post  Lamplighter Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:29 am

Storm the Embassy? What a load of drivel. They have, according to diplomatic and legal procedures been sent a letter that is a notification of POSSIBLE procedures that MIGHT be taken. Whereas the UK always sticks by the diplomatic protocols re this kind of situation, Ecuador, a dictatorship in all but name, does not. If the situation was reversed, the Ecuador police would have 'stormed' the British Embassy as soon as they realised the wanted man was in there. I think they are over a barrel; if they give him asylum then will the US lever sanctions on them? Like most S American countries they are abysmally poor and very reliant on aid from the free world. If they hand him back to the UK they lose face with their fellow S American states. It's a silly situation, and any democratic state would have solved it long ago, but when democracy is unknown this is what happens. I bet assange picked Ecuador for exactly that reason; states like Peru and Argentina, bombastic and self-important as they are, would never had allowed this to happen. LL
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Post  bb1 Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:25 pm

Looks like Ecuador is stuck with him:

http://news.sky.com/story/973139/wikileaks-assange-granted-asylum-by-ecuador

WikiLeaks' Assange Granted Asylum By Ecuador
Ecuador moves to protect the WikiLeaks founder, deepening the diplomatic rift with the UK - amid tensions outside their embassy.


That's a very poisoned chalice indeed.
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Post  lily Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:33 pm

His mother sounds like she's 'out there'. I suppose she could never believe that her little precious should take any responsibility for his actions?
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Post  bb1 Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:12 pm

Well, if the UK is going to storm the Embassy, I just hope it's live on telly, like when the SAS went into the Iranian Embassy.

Of course, if they have to come into contact with Assange, they will probably have to wear Hazmat gear, with him being such a soap dodger at the best of times.

I truly do not care if they go in and get him and put him on the first SAS (airline) flight to Stockholm.

He isn't being targeted because of his political views, he is in this mess because he couldn't lower himself to buy a packet of condoms.
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Post  Sabot Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:13 pm

Oh My, this is getting interesting. Threatening The Ecuadorian Embassy was not a good idea, if in fact Britain did.
I have to say that I hope Julian Assange gets away with this, although I am well aware that my opinion is not popular.
Basically, I am sick to death of The Extradition Laws, and Britain cow towing to all and sundry. And as far as I can see what Julian Assange has been accused of in Sweden is not actually a crime in Britain. He would not be extradited from France, but then France didn't sign up for this because they preferred to stick to the old rules and retain some sort of control.
I am also very offended by the terrible distress caused to Gary Mckinnon which tells me that the powers that be in America are not to be trusted. I don't suppose for a minute that America would actually execute Julian Assange, but I doubt he would be treated in any way that I consider to be civilised.

But how Ecuador are going to get him out of their Embassy and into Ecuador will be something worth watching.

PS. I am also a bit biased because one of my sons is called Julian, and I would fight tooth and claw to save him if he was in this position.
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Post  bb1 Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:18 pm

Gary McKinnon I can get annoyed about, Sabot, Assange, I can't.

It's a crock, anyway - the UK hands people over far more readily than Sweden does.

This complicated stuff about the US wanting him in Sweden just doesn't work in reality, he is in far more danger in the UK.

I honestly think he is doing this because it's one thing to be a Free Speach Yuman Rites martyr; it's totally another when one of the most liberal nations on the planet charges you with a sex crime.
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Post  lily Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:21 pm

I am also very offended by the terrible distress caused to Gary Mckinnon which tells me that the powers that be in America are not to be trusted.

Actually, I think that his case has not been treated in the best way. He didn't do what he did maliciously and I still think now, as I did then.

They should have scared him a bit so he got the picture, but then made a deal with him. He could have shown them precisely where their security flaws were in the system. They could have paid him a lot of money as a consultant.

Assange as an odious a-hole is entirely something else as far as I am concerned. He knowingly put the lives of other people at risk. He deserves what he gets but that will not be the death penalty. I am in no doubt about that.

We can agree to disagree on this, Sabot. hug
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Post  Sabot Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:27 pm

bb1 wrote:Gary McKinnon I can get annoyed about, Sabot, Assange, I can't.

It's a crock, anyway - the UK hands people over far more readily than Sweden does.

This complicated stuff about the US wanting him in Sweden just doesn't work in reality, he is in far more danger in the UK.

I honestly think he is doing this because it's one thing to be a Free Speach Yuman Rites martyr; it's totally another when one of the most liberal nations on the planet charges you with a sex crime.

That is a good point, Bonny, about Britain probably being more likely to grovel to America.
But as I said, I am not sure he actually has committed a Sex Crime. I really don't want to sound off on women who jump into bed with any old man at the drop of a hat. No reason why they shouldn't as far as I can see. Just don't holler about it afterwards, especially after you find out that he has jumped into bed with someone else.
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Post  bb1 Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:30 pm

I entirely agree, Lily - Gary should have been snapped up by the Pentagon to do nothing else all day but try to get into their systems. He could be such an asset - why not employ him, and keep him and his family in luxury, and save yourself a lot of headaches? Not to mention keeping the US safer.

I don't put Assange in the same class at all - he's a real Free Speach But Only For Me, job.
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Post  Lamplighter Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:30 pm

If assange had let the Swedes interview him re the allegations then none of this would have happened. But he didn't; he absconded and that is why I think he has a case to answer. The Swedes, if they get their hands on him, have a very strict set of rules:
1) Interview him with statements take down in writing and with him being allowed to check whether he agrees with what is entered;
2) The police will then decide whether to send the witness statements, Assanges' statement and other required information to, I think, a judge, who will then decide if there is a case to answer;
3) If a case can be made then he will be formally charged and a date for a trial set.

All this, plus the trial and, if he is found guilty and the serving of a prison sentence, if such is ordered, would have to take place before ANY attempt could be made for the US to ask for an extradition order to be issued to Sweden for his removal to the States. And if Sweden were to decide he has no case to answer, then he goes free. Mind you, they might well deport him back to Australia. With all the hassle and trouble he has caused, I would think he would be barred from the UK for life. And I see the Swedes are very angry that Ecuador has poked its nose into matters that are none of its concern. The Ecuadoran Ambassador to Sweden has been summoned to explain his country's actions. LL


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Post  lily Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:35 pm

Assange is a slimy toad. He has done nothing but try to wriggle his way out of the troubles that he has caused for himself. Also, alarmingly, the giant headaches he has caused to other innocent people and their families.

Frankly, he can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.
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Post  Sabot Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:48 pm

lily wrote:I am also very offended by the terrible distress caused to Gary Mckinnon which tells me that the powers that be in America are not to be trusted.

Actually, I think that his case has not been treated in the best way. He didn't do what he did maliciously and I still think now, as I did then.

They should have scared him a bit so he got the picture, but then made a deal with him. He could have shown them precisely where their security flaws were in the system. They could have paid him a lot of money as a consultant.

Assange as an odious a-hole is entirely something else as far as I am concerned. He knowingly put the lives of other people at risk. He deserves what he gets but that will not be the death penalty. I am in no doubt about that.

We can agree to disagree on this, Sabot. hug

Oh, we can indeed, Lily, agree to disagree.

Yep, America should have found a way to use Gary McKinnon to tell them how he did it. But they are furious because he made them look incompetent, which in fact they were. But he is hardly a Master Criminal, and what they are doing to him is very stupid because it has made people sit up and take notice of this grossly biased Treaty.
Okay, I don't think they will execute Julian Assange. But I can't be absolutely sure. And too late is too bloody late.
If America wants to be treated like a civilised Country then it has got to get rid of The Death Penalty. Portugal did that years ago, and we all know what we think of their Justice System. But at least they aren't bumping people off.
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Post  lily Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:54 pm

If America wants to be treated like a civilised Country then it has got to get rid of The Death Penalty.

It is not legal in all 50 States, Sabot. So, are you saying that the US is not civilized? I think that is being unfair to be honest.

The US sends more help and aid to other nations than any other country on the planet.
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Post  Sabot Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:55 pm

bb1 wrote:I entirely agree, Lily - Gary should have been snapped up by the Pentagon to do nothing else all day but try to get into their systems. He could be such an asset - why not employ him, and keep him and his family in luxury, and save yourself a lot of headaches? Not to mention keeping the US safer.

I don't put Assange in the same class at all - he's a real Free Speach But Only For Me, job.

But no one has an absolute right to make judgments about this. We don't actually know what Sweden will do, and America does still have The Death Penalty for what they suppose is this sort of Crime. And apart from that any prison sentence will not be within the bounds of what I would find acceptable. I am pretty sure of that.
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Post  lily Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:05 pm

Sabot, are you saying that it was okay to publish on the world wide web personal information of informants for the US when they were at war?

When the enemy of the US stated what they were going to do to the informants?

What makes Assange more valuable than those people mentioned above?

Also, what right did Assange have in deeming that his free speech was more important that putting troops' lives at risk?

I really do not understand. The US was at war.

ETA: It is immaterial to me whether someone agrees or disagrees over the facts surrounding why the US was at war, the fact is, it was.


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Post  Sabot Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:06 pm

Lamplighter wrote:If assange had let the Swedes interview him re the allegations then none of this would have happened. But he didn't; he absconded and that is why I think he has a case to answer. The Swedes, if they get their hands on him, have a very strict set of rules:
1) Interview him with statements take down in writing and with him being allowed to check whether he agrees with what is entered;
2) The police will then decide whether to send the witness statements, Assanges' statement and other required information to, I think, a judge, who will then decide if there is a case to answer;
3) If a case can be made then he will be formally charged and a date for a trial set.

All this, plus the trial and, if he is found guilty and the serving of a prison sentence, if such is ordered, would have to take place before ANY attempt could be made for the US to ask for an extradition order to be issued to Sweden for his removal to the States. And if Sweden were to decide he has no case to answer, then he goes free. Mind you, they might well deport him back to Australia. With all the hassle and trouble he has caused, I would think he would be barred from the UK for life. And I see the Swedes are very angry that Ecuador has poked its nose into matters that are none of its concern. The Ecuadoran Ambassador to Sweden has been summoned to explain his country's actions. LL

Ecuador has a right to grant Political Asylum, LL, whether we like it or not. Or are we to decide in advance of who is worthy and who isn't?
I am seriously trying to talk Law, and not personal opinion. And if anyone should decide then it should be Australia. But they won't extradite if there is even the remotest chance of a Death Penalty or Inhuman Treatment.
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Post  bb1 Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:07 pm

Sweden isn't exactly a Fascist state, Sabot, and all this has come about because Assange thought his d*ck is the only one on the planet immune to AIDS.

The whole thing is ridiculous, and Assange reminds me of no-one as much as Bennett.
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