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Wow! Let Karma rule........that will be the fairest thing of all.
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I sincerely hope the maniacs that escalated this, and have caused the deaths of so many innocent people, get every single bit of what they deserve, Lily.
I have NO doubt that, without outside meddling, Merkel, Putin and Ukraine could have reached an amicable settlement. There might have been a few street brawls, but that would have been it.
I have NO doubt that, without outside meddling, Merkel, Putin and Ukraine could have reached an amicable settlement. There might have been a few street brawls, but that would have been it.
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It's as though someone is playing divide and conquer.
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And now we've got Americans getting themselves killed fighting on the Kiev side:
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/american-donbas-battalion-member-dies-in-fierce-fighting-near-donetsk-city-361285.html
American Donbas Battalion member dies in fierce fighting near Donetsk (UPDATES)
An American has reportedly become the first foreign casualty on the Ukrainian side of the military conflict against Russian mercenaries and Kremlin-backed forces in eastern Ukraine.
Identified only under his nom de guerre of "Franko", he reportedly died from heavy artillery fire while trying to free the town of Ilovaisk in Donetsk Oblast on Aug. 19 while serving in the volunteer Donbas Battalion, Liviy Bereg photographer Maks Levin stated on Facebook, citing another photographer, Maks Dondiuk, who has embedded himself in various Ukrainian service units.
More at link.
That's a pro-Kiev news site, hence all the mutterings about 'Russian mercenaries', when a US one has just gotten himself killed. As he is apparently in his 60's, I cannot help suspecting he's a Blackwater employee checking on where the money's being spent.
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/american-donbas-battalion-member-dies-in-fierce-fighting-near-donetsk-city-361285.html
American Donbas Battalion member dies in fierce fighting near Donetsk (UPDATES)
An American has reportedly become the first foreign casualty on the Ukrainian side of the military conflict against Russian mercenaries and Kremlin-backed forces in eastern Ukraine.
Identified only under his nom de guerre of "Franko", he reportedly died from heavy artillery fire while trying to free the town of Ilovaisk in Donetsk Oblast on Aug. 19 while serving in the volunteer Donbas Battalion, Liviy Bereg photographer Maks Levin stated on Facebook, citing another photographer, Maks Dondiuk, who has embedded himself in various Ukrainian service units.
More at link.
That's a pro-Kiev news site, hence all the mutterings about 'Russian mercenaries', when a US one has just gotten himself killed. As he is apparently in his 60's, I cannot help suspecting he's a Blackwater employee checking on where the money's being spent.
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You'll pardon me if I don't shed too many tears for American mercenaries killed in civil wars their own government has fomented, despite said civil wars being thousands of miles from American shores.
I will be upset and angry over the dozens of civilian deaths in eastern Ukraine this week; I will be angry and upset over the nearly half a million refugees this unnecessary civil war has created.
Oh, and as the US is so concerned over missing journalists, they might show some interest in this one:
The mother of Russian photojournalist, Andrey Stenin, missing in war-torn eastern Ukraine, has addressed the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) to help find her son.
Vera Stenina told RT that she addressed the ICRC “because they are looking for missing relatives. And I had hopes that I will be helped there.”
“They said that they’ll try to look for him,” the woman told RT, adding that the Red Cross showed “understanding” of her problem.
An experienced war photographer, Stenin, who works for the Rossiya Segodnya news agency (formerly RIA Novosti), disappeared on August 5 as he was covering the Ukrainian army’s campaign against the anti-Kiev rebels in the country’s southeastern Donetsk and Lugansk regions.
Despite over two weeks having passed since his disappearance, the journalist’s whereabouts still remain unknown.
He's being held by Obama's chums in Kiev.
Andrey Stenin (Image by RIA Novosti)
I wonder what that structure was before it was given the hope'n'change treatment. A park? Someone's garden or living room?
I will be upset and angry over the dozens of civilian deaths in eastern Ukraine this week; I will be angry and upset over the nearly half a million refugees this unnecessary civil war has created.
Oh, and as the US is so concerned over missing journalists, they might show some interest in this one:
The mother of Russian photojournalist, Andrey Stenin, missing in war-torn eastern Ukraine, has addressed the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) to help find her son.
Vera Stenina told RT that she addressed the ICRC “because they are looking for missing relatives. And I had hopes that I will be helped there.”
“They said that they’ll try to look for him,” the woman told RT, adding that the Red Cross showed “understanding” of her problem.
An experienced war photographer, Stenin, who works for the Rossiya Segodnya news agency (formerly RIA Novosti), disappeared on August 5 as he was covering the Ukrainian army’s campaign against the anti-Kiev rebels in the country’s southeastern Donetsk and Lugansk regions.
Despite over two weeks having passed since his disappearance, the journalist’s whereabouts still remain unknown.
He's being held by Obama's chums in Kiev.
Andrey Stenin (Image by RIA Novosti)
I wonder what that structure was before it was given the hope'n'change treatment. A park? Someone's garden or living room?
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It's like someone was not getting enough kicks from video games and wanted to make it real.......
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I know, I really can't feel any sympathy for him, Lily. He deliberately put himself in danger - the dead civilians didn't. And why no outrage about an American fighting for a foreign government? It's either acceptable or it isn't.
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I think that soldiers of fortune are probably nothing new here, Bonny....
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http://rt.com/news/182088-kiev-delay-humanitarian-aid/
Moscow has accused Kiev of deliberately holding up the delivery of Russian humanitarian aid to the Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine, according to a new statement by the Russian Foreign Ministry.
The ministry says Russia has ordered the convoy to proceed, without waiting for further permission.
The first set of trucks carrying humanitarian aid has left the Isvarino check-point and has started moving along the territory of Ukraine towards Lugansk, a RIA Novosti correspondent on the ground reports.
The Russian customs officers have started to get the second set of trucks, consisting of 34 vehicles, ready to cross the border, according to local customs officials.
The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) is not escorting the convoy.
“That’s because of the problems with security,” Galina Balzamova of the ICRC told RT. “Lugansk was shelled all night long. We believe we did not get sufficient guarantees of safety from all the parties to the conflict to start escorting the convoy.”
More at link.
Good for Moscow. If Obama can send small armies into Syria unasked, then Moscow can deliver humanitarian aid on its own doorstep.
Frankly, it's about time the MSM started showing exactly what Kiev has been doing to civilians in eastern Ukraine. It's every bit as bad as Israel and Gaza.
There are indications that patience with the lying maniacs in Kiev is wearing thin:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-21/council-foreign-relations-ukraine-crisis-west%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%93-not-putin%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%93-fault
The thoughts of some very influential people - it's about time this slaughter of innocents was stopped.
U.S. and European leaders blundered in attempting to turn Ukraine into a Western stronghold on Russia’s border. Now that the consequences have been laid bare, it would be an even greater mistake to continue this misbegotten policy.
Moscow has accused Kiev of deliberately holding up the delivery of Russian humanitarian aid to the Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine, according to a new statement by the Russian Foreign Ministry.
The ministry says Russia has ordered the convoy to proceed, without waiting for further permission.
The first set of trucks carrying humanitarian aid has left the Isvarino check-point and has started moving along the territory of Ukraine towards Lugansk, a RIA Novosti correspondent on the ground reports.
The Russian customs officers have started to get the second set of trucks, consisting of 34 vehicles, ready to cross the border, according to local customs officials.
The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) is not escorting the convoy.
“That’s because of the problems with security,” Galina Balzamova of the ICRC told RT. “Lugansk was shelled all night long. We believe we did not get sufficient guarantees of safety from all the parties to the conflict to start escorting the convoy.”
More at link.
Good for Moscow. If Obama can send small armies into Syria unasked, then Moscow can deliver humanitarian aid on its own doorstep.
Frankly, it's about time the MSM started showing exactly what Kiev has been doing to civilians in eastern Ukraine. It's every bit as bad as Israel and Gaza.
There are indications that patience with the lying maniacs in Kiev is wearing thin:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-21/council-foreign-relations-ukraine-crisis-west%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%93-not-putin%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%93-fault
The thoughts of some very influential people - it's about time this slaughter of innocents was stopped.
U.S. and European leaders blundered in attempting to turn Ukraine into a Western stronghold on Russia’s border. Now that the consequences have been laid bare, it would be an even greater mistake to continue this misbegotten policy.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-22/russian-humanitarian-convoy-enters-ukraine-without-authorization-ukraine-considers-m
Update: the farce is complete, although at least this time it didn't take Ukraine several hours to fabricate then unfabricate its plot line, because literally minutes after it accused Russia of invading, Ukraine's foreign minister said the convoy was "allowed" to avoid provocations. He added that the rebel militants are using mortars on the convoy route and that it had taken all necessary steps to ensure cargo safety but that Russia wouldn't discuss security for the convoy. Nonetheless it still accused Russia's convoy of breaking international law and said that convoy would go to separatists, not civilians, and called on its "international partners" (we suppose it means the CIA here, which apparently is feeding it this ridiculous script) to condemn the Russian convoy.
From Bloomberg:
UKRAINE SAYS ALLOWED RUSSIAN CONVOY IN TO AVOID PROVOCATIONS
NALYVAYCHENKO SAYS WILL GO TO SEPARATISTS, NOT CIVILIANS: IFX
UKRAINE SAYS RUSSIA WOULDN’T DISCUSS SECURITY FOR CONVOY
UKRAINE SAYS IT TOOK ALL NECESSARY STEPS TO ENSURE CARGO SAFETY
UKRAINE SAYS RUSSIAN CONVOY IS BREAKING INTERNATIONAL LAW
UKRAINE HAS CONCERNS OVER CONTENTS OF UNCHECKED RUSSIAN TRUCKS
Finally:
UKRAINE WILL NOT USE ANY FORCE AGAINST RUSSIAN AID CONVOY, WISHES TO AVOID "PROVOCATIONS" - UKRAINIAN STATE SECURITY CHIEF NALIVAYCHENKO
Translation: it will accuse "rebels" of a direct attack on the Russian convoy when it happens, blaming Russia for trying to stage an attack so Russia has a provocation pretext to really invade, as opposed to the fake "invasion" Ukraine accused Russia of just moments ago.
In other words, the "MH17 scenario" is now in play, with the question not so much if and who "provokes" the Russian convoy in the coming days, but how Russia will react to it. It appears that contrary to expectations, today will be another trading session in which the main catalyst will be not Jackson Hole but Ukraine once again, as algos react, in an already illiquid market, with extended momentum to each and every contradictory headline.
Finally, with a scenario evolving in such a farcical and chaotic fashion, one wonders if John Kerry somehow managed to sail his sailboat into Kiev and is currently giving the Ukraine government the play by play.
Here we go again. Precisely a week after the fabricated headlines last Friday that Ukraine had blown up Russian military vehicles in Ukraine territory, "news" which promptly was forgotten when Russia denied and Ukraine couldn't produce any proof of said attack, now it is time for the real "humanitarian" convoy to become the topic du jour, and so it did a few hours ago when some 90 trucks from the convoy were said to have entered Ukraine territory, a move which Ukraine promptly denounced as a direct invasion.
More at link.
Doubtless Kerry, McCain and co will be shrieking for WAR before the day is out.
Update: the farce is complete, although at least this time it didn't take Ukraine several hours to fabricate then unfabricate its plot line, because literally minutes after it accused Russia of invading, Ukraine's foreign minister said the convoy was "allowed" to avoid provocations. He added that the rebel militants are using mortars on the convoy route and that it had taken all necessary steps to ensure cargo safety but that Russia wouldn't discuss security for the convoy. Nonetheless it still accused Russia's convoy of breaking international law and said that convoy would go to separatists, not civilians, and called on its "international partners" (we suppose it means the CIA here, which apparently is feeding it this ridiculous script) to condemn the Russian convoy.
From Bloomberg:
UKRAINE SAYS ALLOWED RUSSIAN CONVOY IN TO AVOID PROVOCATIONS
NALYVAYCHENKO SAYS WILL GO TO SEPARATISTS, NOT CIVILIANS: IFX
UKRAINE SAYS RUSSIA WOULDN’T DISCUSS SECURITY FOR CONVOY
UKRAINE SAYS IT TOOK ALL NECESSARY STEPS TO ENSURE CARGO SAFETY
UKRAINE SAYS RUSSIAN CONVOY IS BREAKING INTERNATIONAL LAW
UKRAINE HAS CONCERNS OVER CONTENTS OF UNCHECKED RUSSIAN TRUCKS
Finally:
UKRAINE WILL NOT USE ANY FORCE AGAINST RUSSIAN AID CONVOY, WISHES TO AVOID "PROVOCATIONS" - UKRAINIAN STATE SECURITY CHIEF NALIVAYCHENKO
Translation: it will accuse "rebels" of a direct attack on the Russian convoy when it happens, blaming Russia for trying to stage an attack so Russia has a provocation pretext to really invade, as opposed to the fake "invasion" Ukraine accused Russia of just moments ago.
In other words, the "MH17 scenario" is now in play, with the question not so much if and who "provokes" the Russian convoy in the coming days, but how Russia will react to it. It appears that contrary to expectations, today will be another trading session in which the main catalyst will be not Jackson Hole but Ukraine once again, as algos react, in an already illiquid market, with extended momentum to each and every contradictory headline.
Finally, with a scenario evolving in such a farcical and chaotic fashion, one wonders if John Kerry somehow managed to sail his sailboat into Kiev and is currently giving the Ukraine government the play by play.
Here we go again. Precisely a week after the fabricated headlines last Friday that Ukraine had blown up Russian military vehicles in Ukraine territory, "news" which promptly was forgotten when Russia denied and Ukraine couldn't produce any proof of said attack, now it is time for the real "humanitarian" convoy to become the topic du jour, and so it did a few hours ago when some 90 trucks from the convoy were said to have entered Ukraine territory, a move which Ukraine promptly denounced as a direct invasion.
More at link.
Doubtless Kerry, McCain and co will be shrieking for WAR before the day is out.
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Warm welcome: Locals in rebel-held eastern Ukraine applaud the first of the lorries in the convoy
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2731681/This-direct-invasion-Russian-aid-convoy-crosses-Lugansk-Ukraine-insists-military-vehicles-cynical-guise-Red-Cross.html#ixzz3B7cPF1gB
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Must be the first time anyone's ever 'invaded' with water, babyfood, generators and blankets.
If Moscow did decide to invade (though why on earth they would want that failed state I do not know) they would be in Kiev by nightfall. The conscripts, neo-nazis and mercenaries are only good at killing civilians.
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My friends, this was taken from Sky News:
http://news.sky.com/story/1322777/russia-trucks-enter-ukraine-in-direct-invasion
http://news.sky.com/story/1322777/russia-trucks-enter-ukraine-in-direct-invasion
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Some good news, for once- the aid convoy has reached Lugansk safely.
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The first traffic jam in 'war' #Lugansk. And the Russian humanitarian aid is now here! #aidconvoy #Ukrainecrisis
12:16 PM - 22 Aug 2014
Fingers and toes crossed, the aid can swiftly be distributed.
The Chocolate King is a lunatic. That convoy has been searched by the media, the Red Cross, Ukrainian officials, everyone - it's AID.
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The first traffic jam in 'war' #Lugansk. And the Russian humanitarian aid is now here! #aidconvoy #Ukrainecrisis
12:16 PM - 22 Aug 2014
Fingers and toes crossed, the aid can swiftly be distributed.
The Chocolate King is a lunatic. That convoy has been searched by the media, the Red Cross, Ukrainian officials, everyone - it's AID.
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It seems the aid has been safely delivered to Lugansk, and the convoy is on its way back to Russia. So much for the 'invasion'.
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http://news.sky.com/story/1323474/russian-invasion-trucks-start-to-leave-ukraine
Video of convoy.
How very dare Russia send in humanitarian aid to a mess on its own doorstep! The west wants those people cleared off their land, they don't care if they're blown apart by bombs or starved to death - Hunter Biden needs to get fracking on that land!
If any of the supposedly 'concerned' western politicians ever bothered to read international law, then they would know it is actually the DUTY of all nations to provide non-military assistance to civilians - whether Obama and his corrupt cronies like it or not.
If the west saw itself as much of the world does, then they would know its another nail in the coffin of western supremacy.
The west brings bombs, destruction and death, Russia brings water, food, medicine and blankets is the current meme.
Which country does Washington think emerging nations are going to want to do business with?
Video of convoy.
How very dare Russia send in humanitarian aid to a mess on its own doorstep! The west wants those people cleared off their land, they don't care if they're blown apart by bombs or starved to death - Hunter Biden needs to get fracking on that land!
If any of the supposedly 'concerned' western politicians ever bothered to read international law, then they would know it is actually the DUTY of all nations to provide non-military assistance to civilians - whether Obama and his corrupt cronies like it or not.
If the west saw itself as much of the world does, then they would know its another nail in the coffin of western supremacy.
The west brings bombs, destruction and death, Russia brings water, food, medicine and blankets is the current meme.
Which country does Washington think emerging nations are going to want to do business with?
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I'm beginning to wonder if that was the idea....
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I am rapidly being convinced that the so-called 'leaders' of the west are either barking mad, or are being paid to be incompetent, Lily, after the business of this convoy.
Their Pavlovian reaction seems to have been, Russia's sending an aid convoy to help the people we have been bombing! We must stop it!
Just think how much tensions could have been defused if Obama had gone on TV and thanked Russia - and told those lunatics in Kiev to STOP BOMBING CIVILIANS. Now, I don't think there is the slightest chance of eastern Ukraine staying in Ukraine; previously, they were going to settle for a federal system, but now? After grannies have been blown up at bus stops, and white phosperous and ballistic missiles have been aimed at civilians by Kiev?
No chance.
Best thing Obama could do, IMO, is draw one of his lines on this mess and stop growling at Putin, Obungler is impressing no-one. The sanctions have backfired, whatever noises politicians make, most of Europe is furious with the US, and worst of all...
WINTER IS COMING.
There must be a diplomat or statesman somewhere in the US - even Jimmy Carter would be an improvement. Sit down with Merkel and Putin, and tell the lunatic Chocolate President what is going to happen in Ukraine, whether the Right Sektor likes it or not.
And stop killing people and wrecking lives - and economies. It really isn't worth it for a bunch of neo-nazis.
Their Pavlovian reaction seems to have been, Russia's sending an aid convoy to help the people we have been bombing! We must stop it!
Just think how much tensions could have been defused if Obama had gone on TV and thanked Russia - and told those lunatics in Kiev to STOP BOMBING CIVILIANS. Now, I don't think there is the slightest chance of eastern Ukraine staying in Ukraine; previously, they were going to settle for a federal system, but now? After grannies have been blown up at bus stops, and white phosperous and ballistic missiles have been aimed at civilians by Kiev?
No chance.
Best thing Obama could do, IMO, is draw one of his lines on this mess and stop growling at Putin, Obungler is impressing no-one. The sanctions have backfired, whatever noises politicians make, most of Europe is furious with the US, and worst of all...
WINTER IS COMING.
There must be a diplomat or statesman somewhere in the US - even Jimmy Carter would be an improvement. Sit down with Merkel and Putin, and tell the lunatic Chocolate President what is going to happen in Ukraine, whether the Right Sektor likes it or not.
And stop killing people and wrecking lives - and economies. It really isn't worth it for a bunch of neo-nazis.
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Unfortunately, Bonny, I think some people are making soooo much money from this that they want more, more, more. So, it will be to their advantage no matter what?
They can afford to live in ivory towers and are well guarded.....besides, our present day technology lets them know exactly who is approaching etc......etc.....etc.......
They need to keep the people in constant fear?
They can afford to live in ivory towers and are well guarded.....besides, our present day technology lets them know exactly who is approaching etc......etc.....etc.......
They need to keep the people in constant fear?
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I do read the US media, and there does seem to be a deliberate attempt to keep American citizens scared of the bogeyman. Maybe it doesn't work quite so much in Europe as we've been invaded/bombed/attacked so frequently over the centuries?
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http://rt.com/news/182404-donetsk-forces-trap-hardware/
A tank with a flag of Novorossia (union of Donetsk people's republic and Lugansk people's republic) drives in central Donetsk late on August 23, 2014. (AFP Photo / Max Vetrov)
That flag looks strangely familiar. You don't suppose Washington thinks the South has risen again, do you?
A tank with a flag of Novorossia (union of Donetsk people's republic and Lugansk people's republic) drives in central Donetsk late on August 23, 2014. (AFP Photo / Max Vetrov)
That flag looks strangely familiar. You don't suppose Washington thinks the South has risen again, do you?
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Unbelievable. "I will not go hungry again".......
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More bad news for the Chocolate President, following the rebels wrecking his sunglassed chocolate soldiers display in Kiev by staging a repeat of Red Square, 1944, with captured mercenaries and Right Sektor louts standing in for the wermacht:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fdc_1408909929#gZP6b7JyaAwJpsWO.99
Russia is buying German company RWE that was engaged gas reverse gas to Ukraine
Part of channel(s): Ukraine (current event)
The German authorities have approved the sale to Russia of the RWE Company – Europe’s largest company, which supplies gas to Ukraine reversible from the European Union
Thus, Moscow will block the resale channel of its fuel to Ukraine through Europe.
The Ministry of Economic Affairs of Germany gave permission to the Russian capital to buy large oil and gas company RWE, which through Slovakia had to conduct the reverse supply of Russian gas to Ukraine.
The German company intends to sell its assets to investors from a group of Russian billionaire Mikhail Fridman. Thus, German businessmen basically ignored the anti-Russian sectoral sanctions and intense political situation due to the situation in Ukraine.
Details at link.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fdc_1408909929#gZP6b7JyaAwJpsWO.99
Russia is buying German company RWE that was engaged gas reverse gas to Ukraine
Part of channel(s): Ukraine (current event)
The German authorities have approved the sale to Russia of the RWE Company – Europe’s largest company, which supplies gas to Ukraine reversible from the European Union
Thus, Moscow will block the resale channel of its fuel to Ukraine through Europe.
The Ministry of Economic Affairs of Germany gave permission to the Russian capital to buy large oil and gas company RWE, which through Slovakia had to conduct the reverse supply of Russian gas to Ukraine.
The German company intends to sell its assets to investors from a group of Russian billionaire Mikhail Fridman. Thus, German businessmen basically ignored the anti-Russian sectoral sanctions and intense political situation due to the situation in Ukraine.
Details at link.
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