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Re: Breaking News!!!! Richard III's Body Found!
Lamplighter Sun May 25, 2014 1:05 pm
This was an anointed king whose remains they are fighting over, a man who once ruled England, a member of probably one of the greatest royal families in the history of Europe. on a par with, say, the Hapsburgs. Where is the defernce due to this man, where the honor which is his by right? No., all they are interested is the money they can make from him, a position they accuse the other side of doing. Which side has already shown they are intending to use him as a cash cow? Which side is trumpeting they are building a 'Jorvik Center Part 2' and which side is building a suitable resting place in a lovely church? I don't see the Alliance moneygrubbers getting too far going by what the Lady Justice said in the final decision. As for dishing Leicester cathedral, that shows how childish and juvenile the Alliance supporters are. LL
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bb1 Sun May 25, 2014 1:21 pm
Well said, LL. From what I've seen of the Jorvik group's plans online, they are the epitome of tourist tat. It actually doesn't come much more exploitative than wanting to rebury Richard III a few hundred yards from the 'Henry7 Experience'.
These harpies might also like to contemplate what the man himself would have done with a bunch of commoners that thought they were entitled to overrule an English court, the church, and the monarch herself.
These harpies might also like to contemplate what the man himself would have done with a bunch of commoners that thought they were entitled to overrule an English court, the church, and the monarch herself.
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Lamplighter Sun May 25, 2014 1:25 pm
They are no more than snotty-nosed kids who are throwing their teething rings out the pram because they aren't getting their own way. Their comments are childish and spiteful. There is nothing manky about Leicester Cathedral. LL
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lily Sun May 25, 2014 2:46 pm
Am absolutely sick to death of reading about inconsiderate wastrels spending other peoples money. Whether that be politicians or forkers et al. It all smacks of a strong sense of selfish entitlement without any thought to those footing the bills. Probably because they are on benefits and the hard work to acquire a salary and the following taxation part doesn't directly affect them. Of course not all people are as selfish as those.
Let them go and drown their sorrows and complain to the porcelain goddess as that would be more productive.
Let them go and drown their sorrows and complain to the porcelain goddess as that would be more productive.
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Lamplighter Sun May 25, 2014 2:51 pm
Porcelain goddess?????? LL again confused.com
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lily Sun May 25, 2014 3:00 pm
The toilet bowl, LL. Used after drinking too much. 
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bb1 Sun May 25, 2014 3:03 pm
It's what drunks do before they pass out, LL. It's also known as Talking to God on the big white telephone. Being sick through drink, in short.
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Lamplighter Sun May 25, 2014 3:04 pm
Oh, what an innocent old man I am! Never heard the bog called that before! LLlily wrote:The toilet bowl, LL. Used after drinking too much.
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lily Sun May 25, 2014 3:07 pm
You most probably go very easy on your Jack Daniels, LL. 
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Lamplighter Sun May 25, 2014 3:14 pm
Two small tots at the weekend, don't drink during the week. LLlily wrote:You most probably go very easy on your Jack Daniels, LL.
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lily Sun May 25, 2014 4:08 pm
You lush! That is typically more than me.
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bb1 Thu May 29, 2014 2:06 pm
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Richard-III-High-Court-battle-leaves-winners/story-21157199-detail/story.html?ito=email_newsletter_leicestermercury
Richard III: High Court battle leaves winners with £250,000 costs
By Leicester Mercury | Posted: May 29, 2014
The High Court fight to keep King Richard III's remains in Leicester racked up £250,000 in legal costs.
The charges mounted as Leicester City Council, the Ministry of Justice and other groups defended a challenge by the Plantagenet Alliance over where the king should be interred.
The alliance – a group of 15 people claiming to be related to Richard III – wanted the exhumation licence that says the king should be buried in Leicester to be annulled.
Instead, the group wanted a public consultation on the subject.
The challenge was dismissed by judges last week, but the city council, the University of Leicester, Leicester Cathedral and the Ministry of Justice had to pay the legal costs they incurred fighting the alliance's ultimately unsuccessful claim.
The city council was one of three defendants in the case. Its share of the bill was £85,900.
City mayor Sir Peter Soulsby said: "This was a price worth paying to help ensure that the city's plans to bury Richard with dignity and honour can now go ahead."
Sir Peter said the "inevitable" costs were paid from the council's development contingency budget.
The Ministry of Justice, which granted the exhumation licence at the centre of the case, was also a defendant. Its bill was £82,000.
The University of Leicester, the other defendant and the holder of the exhumation licence, used its own solicitors during the case and its bill is slightly lower at £70,158.
A spokesman for the university echoed Sir Peter's view.
He said: "The university would rather have avoided incurring these fees. However, in view of the result, it considers that this was money well spent."
Leicester Cathedral, an "interested party" in the case rather than a defendant, paid £7,000 towards solicitors' fees and administration costs.
None of the four can claim any costs back from the Plantagenet Alliance.
This is because the alliance registered as a "shell company" – a non-trading organisation – before applying for the legal challenge.
Its status as a shell company meant it could apply for a protective costs order (PCO), which shielded it from having to pay any legal costs for the other side should it lose.
It is understood the alliance's solicitors worked on a pro-bono basis and did not charge for their time, so its fees would be minimal.
Sir Edward Garnier, Harborough MP and former Solicitor General for England and Wales, said the way the Plantagenet Alliance had gone about the case was a perversion of the legal system.
He said: "The courts should not be used for cases like this, which take up a huge amount of public money, time and emotion, when they could more sensibly have been dealt with by archaeologists, historians and by sensible discussion between the cities and their cathedrals.
"Litigation initiated by self-appointed interest groups, if started at all, should – apart from in the most exceptional of cases – be paid for by the interest group and not the taxpayer.
"No-one other than the Plan-tagenet Alliance thought this a sensible case to take to the High Court and yet they were protected against the legal costs.
"We are now back where we started and should have been all along, save that a good deal of time and money has been expended to no public benefit."
It is still not clear whether the Plantagenet Alliance plans to apply for an appeal. It has until June 13 to decide.
In a statement, the alliance said: "We believe that we have put forward the best legal case that we could, in order to attempt to persuade the decision makers to reconsider public consultation regarding the final resting place of the last Plantagenet King of England.
"The Plantagenet Alliance will be making no further statement until it has considered the judgement in full."
When the case was dismissed last week, Justice Secretary Chris Grayling said he was "frustrated and angry" with the alliance for bringing it in the first place and slammed it as a waste of taxpayers' cash.
He said: "I have been very clear from the start that the decision to grant an exhumation licence for Richard III was taken correctly and in line with the law.
"I am, however, frustrated and angry that the Plantagenet Alliance – a group with tenuous claims to being relatives of Richard III – have taken up so much time and public money."
The alliance wanted a nationwide consultation to take place to decide the medieval monarch's final resting place.
However, the High Court disagreed and ruled that the exhumation licence was a valid legal document and should stand.
The official report said: "In our judgement, there are no public law grounds for the court interfering with the decisions in question.
"In the result, therefore, the claimant's application for judicial review is dismissed".
The case was first brought to court in November.
Richard III: High Court battle leaves winners with £250,000 costs
By Leicester Mercury | Posted: May 29, 2014
The High Court fight to keep King Richard III's remains in Leicester racked up £250,000 in legal costs.
The charges mounted as Leicester City Council, the Ministry of Justice and other groups defended a challenge by the Plantagenet Alliance over where the king should be interred.
The alliance – a group of 15 people claiming to be related to Richard III – wanted the exhumation licence that says the king should be buried in Leicester to be annulled.
Instead, the group wanted a public consultation on the subject.
The challenge was dismissed by judges last week, but the city council, the University of Leicester, Leicester Cathedral and the Ministry of Justice had to pay the legal costs they incurred fighting the alliance's ultimately unsuccessful claim.
The city council was one of three defendants in the case. Its share of the bill was £85,900.
City mayor Sir Peter Soulsby said: "This was a price worth paying to help ensure that the city's plans to bury Richard with dignity and honour can now go ahead."
Sir Peter said the "inevitable" costs were paid from the council's development contingency budget.
The Ministry of Justice, which granted the exhumation licence at the centre of the case, was also a defendant. Its bill was £82,000.
The University of Leicester, the other defendant and the holder of the exhumation licence, used its own solicitors during the case and its bill is slightly lower at £70,158.
A spokesman for the university echoed Sir Peter's view.
He said: "The university would rather have avoided incurring these fees. However, in view of the result, it considers that this was money well spent."
Leicester Cathedral, an "interested party" in the case rather than a defendant, paid £7,000 towards solicitors' fees and administration costs.
None of the four can claim any costs back from the Plantagenet Alliance.
This is because the alliance registered as a "shell company" – a non-trading organisation – before applying for the legal challenge.
Its status as a shell company meant it could apply for a protective costs order (PCO), which shielded it from having to pay any legal costs for the other side should it lose.
It is understood the alliance's solicitors worked on a pro-bono basis and did not charge for their time, so its fees would be minimal.
Sir Edward Garnier, Harborough MP and former Solicitor General for England and Wales, said the way the Plantagenet Alliance had gone about the case was a perversion of the legal system.
He said: "The courts should not be used for cases like this, which take up a huge amount of public money, time and emotion, when they could more sensibly have been dealt with by archaeologists, historians and by sensible discussion between the cities and their cathedrals.
"Litigation initiated by self-appointed interest groups, if started at all, should – apart from in the most exceptional of cases – be paid for by the interest group and not the taxpayer.
"No-one other than the Plan-tagenet Alliance thought this a sensible case to take to the High Court and yet they were protected against the legal costs.
"We are now back where we started and should have been all along, save that a good deal of time and money has been expended to no public benefit."
It is still not clear whether the Plantagenet Alliance plans to apply for an appeal. It has until June 13 to decide.
In a statement, the alliance said: "We believe that we have put forward the best legal case that we could, in order to attempt to persuade the decision makers to reconsider public consultation regarding the final resting place of the last Plantagenet King of England.
"The Plantagenet Alliance will be making no further statement until it has considered the judgement in full."
When the case was dismissed last week, Justice Secretary Chris Grayling said he was "frustrated and angry" with the alliance for bringing it in the first place and slammed it as a waste of taxpayers' cash.
He said: "I have been very clear from the start that the decision to grant an exhumation licence for Richard III was taken correctly and in line with the law.
"I am, however, frustrated and angry that the Plantagenet Alliance – a group with tenuous claims to being relatives of Richard III – have taken up so much time and public money."
The alliance wanted a nationwide consultation to take place to decide the medieval monarch's final resting place.
However, the High Court disagreed and ruled that the exhumation licence was a valid legal document and should stand.
The official report said: "In our judgement, there are no public law grounds for the court interfering with the decisions in question.
"In the result, therefore, the claimant's application for judicial review is dismissed".
The case was first brought to court in November.
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Re: Breaking News!!!! Richard III's Body Found!
bb1 Fri May 30, 2014 12:16 pm
This is fascinating:
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Remarkable-3D-replica-skeleton-Richard-III/story-21162867-detail/story.html
The 3-D skeleton looks terrible, BUT:
Dr Appleby said: “Although the scoliosis looks dramatic, it probably did not cause a major physical deformity. This is because he had a well-balanced curve.
The condition would have meant his trunk was short in comparison to the length of his limbs and his right shoulder would have been slightly higher than the left, but this could have been disguised by custom-made armour and a good tailor.
“There is no evidence that Richard had a limp as his curve was well balanced and his leg bones were normal and symmetric.”
Dr Phil Stone, chairman of the Richard III Society, said: “Examination of the remains shows he had a scoliosis, thus confirming that the Shakespearean description of a ‘hunch-backed toad’ is a complete fabrication – yet more proof that, while the plays are splendid dramas, they are also most certainly fiction not fact.
“History tells us that Richard III was a great warrior. Clearly, he was little inconvenienced by his spinal problem and accounts of his appearance, written when he was alive, tell that he was ‘of person and bodily shape comely enough’ and that he ‘was the most handsome man in the room after his brother, Edward IV’.
My own view is that no-one except those closest to Richard - his wife, tailor, armourer, for instance - would even have known about it till he was killed.
When his body was so horribly treated, the condition would have been there for all to see, and magnified, and that is the source of all the 'hunchback' nonsense.
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Remarkable-3D-replica-skeleton-Richard-III/story-21162867-detail/story.html
The 3-D skeleton looks terrible, BUT:
Dr Appleby said: “Although the scoliosis looks dramatic, it probably did not cause a major physical deformity. This is because he had a well-balanced curve.
The condition would have meant his trunk was short in comparison to the length of his limbs and his right shoulder would have been slightly higher than the left, but this could have been disguised by custom-made armour and a good tailor.
“There is no evidence that Richard had a limp as his curve was well balanced and his leg bones were normal and symmetric.”
Dr Phil Stone, chairman of the Richard III Society, said: “Examination of the remains shows he had a scoliosis, thus confirming that the Shakespearean description of a ‘hunch-backed toad’ is a complete fabrication – yet more proof that, while the plays are splendid dramas, they are also most certainly fiction not fact.
“History tells us that Richard III was a great warrior. Clearly, he was little inconvenienced by his spinal problem and accounts of his appearance, written when he was alive, tell that he was ‘of person and bodily shape comely enough’ and that he ‘was the most handsome man in the room after his brother, Edward IV’.
My own view is that no-one except those closest to Richard - his wife, tailor, armourer, for instance - would even have known about it till he was killed.
When his body was so horribly treated, the condition would have been there for all to see, and magnified, and that is the source of all the 'hunchback' nonsense.
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lily Fri May 30, 2014 4:28 pm
Amazing. Everything about His Grace is a larger than life story.
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bb1 Fri May 30, 2014 4:40 pm
It's a great pity none of his armour seems to have survived. I freely admit, when I first saw that spine this morning, my reaction was, OMG, how on earth did he walk, never mind anything else!
Which proves why these things are best left to scientists who know something about the subject...
At some time in the future, I hope a hologram of Richard is created, complete with crown, robes, the lot. It would be rather awesome.
Which proves why these things are best left to scientists who know something about the subject...
At some time in the future, I hope a hologram of Richard is created, complete with crown, robes, the lot. It would be rather awesome.
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lily Fri May 30, 2014 5:39 pm
It most certainly would be Bonny. They have the technology so let's hope it comes to pass.
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bb1 Fri May 30, 2014 8:49 pm
More about it here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-27610788
It's worth bearing in mind that Usain Bolt has a similar condition, and it doesn't slow him down much:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-27610788
It's worth bearing in mind that Usain Bolt has a similar condition, and it doesn't slow him down much:
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bb1 Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:46 pm
City Mayor Sir Peter Soulsby with the new logo for the visitor centre, and plans for the attraction, which were unveiled in June last year
Read more: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Leicester-s-4-million-Richard-III-visitor-centre/story-21187217-detail/story.html#ixzz33x8jD1jf
Read more at http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Leicester-s-4-million-Richard-III-visitor-centre/story-21187217-detail/story.html#FeuxzoVRqfycDMpz.99
Leicester is certainly making up for Richard's last 500 years of resting very peacefully indeed.
It's rather poignant to read older books about him, lamenting the fact that 'Richard is the only English monarch with no known resting place'.
Not now he isn't, he's getting his own Cathedral and just about his own town.
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lily Sat Jun 07, 2014 1:58 pm
Everything comes to he who waits?
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bb1 Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:51 pm
The final tomb design is unveiled, and naturally, causes more arguments:
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Richard-III-Final-tomb-design-revealed/story-21243145-detail/story.html
I think I quite like it; it's rather reminiscent of the graves of our war dead, with the cross/sword. I don't think the CGI is doing it justice, and the stone and marble will look much better?
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Richard-III-Final-tomb-design-revealed/story-21243145-detail/story.html
I think I quite like it; it's rather reminiscent of the graves of our war dead, with the cross/sword. I don't think the CGI is doing it justice, and the stone and marble will look much better?
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bb1 Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:35 pm
More about it here:
http://kingrichardinleicester.com/reburial/tomb/
It sounds rather wonderful, actually.
http://kingrichardinleicester.com/reburial/tomb/
It sounds rather wonderful, actually.
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lily Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:57 pm
It certainly does and thoughtful too.
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bb1 Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:12 pm
I gather his coffin is being made by Mr Ibsen, the collateral descendant whose DNA was used to identify the skeleton conclusively, which is a nice touch.
LL will know more about this...
LL will know more about this...
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Lamplighter Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:18 pm
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/King-s-descendant-create-coffin/story-21247092-detail/story.html
By the wa,y the Plantaganet Alliance are not appealling the decision re Richard's final resting place. LL
By the wa,y the Plantaganet Alliance are not appealling the decision re Richard's final resting place. LL
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