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Post  lily Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:13 pm

You said it, LL.
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Post  bb1 Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:14 pm

LL, IMO, Israel would be in real trouble if neighbouring states weren't in such chaos and preoccupied with internal trouble. It's worth stepping back and looking at just who fomented all the chaos.
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Post  Lamplighter Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:26 pm

bb1 wrote:LL, IMO, Israel would be in real trouble if neighbouring states weren't in such chaos and preoccupied with internal trouble. It's worth stepping back and looking at just who fomented all the chaos.
As long as Shia and Sunni are at odds Israel is 'safe', but if they should ever sort out their problems things will change very fast. But I can't see that happening at present and as the Muslims fight amongst themselves the death toll in Gaza will go on rising. LL
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Post  bb1 Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:08 pm

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/israeli-shelling-kills-scores-eastern-gaza-2014720182451890.html

Israeli attacks have killed 97 people in the Gaza Strip, raising the overall Palestinian death toll to 435 since the start of a major military campaign on July 8, Palestinian health officials say.

The vast majority of Sunday's dead were in Shujayea, a district between Gaza City and the Israeli border, with at least 60 people killed there in an intense bombardment which began overnight.

Besides Shujayea, the worst hit neighbourhoods were al-Shaaf and al-Tuffa, with bodies littering the streets.

A Shujayea resident who reached a hospital told Al Jazeera: " It is a massacre taking place in Shujayea. It is a massacre - in the full sense of the word - committed by Israel against innocent civilians. T here are no armed men among us. The streets of Shujayea are packed with dead bodies."

At least 250 were wounded, raising the overall injury toll during the 13 days of violence to well above 3,000, Ashraf al-Qudra, emergency services spokesman, said.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas described the Shujayea deaths as "a massacre" and declared three days of mourning.

Of the 435 people killed since the Israeli military offensive began, more than a third were women and children, Qudra said, indicating that 112 of the victims were minors, 41 were women and 25 were elderly.

Israeli casualties

For its part, the Israeli army announced on Sunday the deaths of 13 soldiers in fighting in Gaza.

"Over the course of the day, 13 soldiers from the IDF's Golani Brigade were killed in combat in the Gaza Strip," an army statement said.



Sunday's deaths raised to 18 the total number of Israel soldiers killed since they began a ground operation in Gaza late on Thursday, in what was the highest casualty figure since the 2006 Lebanon war.
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Post  bb1 Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:09 pm

Same link:

Mads Gilbert, a Norwegian doctor working at al-Shifa hospital, told Al Jazeera that most of the casualties brought there were civilians who suffered shrapnel injuries and amputations.

"It's very disturbing to see the large number of civilians, particularly the children. What is remarkable with the Palestinians in Gaza is the resilience. They don't give up, they stand tall. I'm amazed to see the calm and coherence in the community and in the hospital among the [hospital] staff," Gilbert said.

"What [Palestinians] are [saying] is that how can the world accept the Israelis targeting civilians in an area which is completely shut off? There are no shelters, no early-warning systems, no sirens. The population is basically completely naked to the enormously strong Israeli military machine."
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Post  Lamplighter Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:17 pm

Have a look at this, Wolf Blitzer and Netanyahu on CNN today.   Oh, by the way, Wolf is Jewish.   LL

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2014/07/20/netanyahu-to-cnns-wolf-blitzer-i-support-taking-whatever-action-is-necessary-to-stop-this-insane-situation/
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Post  bb1 Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:26 pm

Iran, one of the pre - the preeminent terrorist state of our time, has nuclear weapons.


I must have missed it - what's Iran done that's 'terrorist'? Don't think much of their domestic policy, and they take being tough on crime a bit too far...but terrorism?

If I was Iran, I wouldn't give up as much as a rusty penknife with the likes of Netanyahu on the loose.
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Post  Lamplighter Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:32 pm

bb1 wrote: Iran, one of the pre - the preeminent terrorist state of our time, has nuclear weapons.

I must have missed it - what's Iran done that's 'terrorist'? Don't think much of their domestic policy, and they take being tough on crime a bit too far...but terrorism?

If I was Iran, I wouldn't give up as much as a rusty penknife with the likes of Netanyahu on the loose.
Iran does NOT have nuclear capability, any more than N Korea has. They would like to have such a facility, but as anyone who reads the news knows, Iran still hasn't managed to enrich uranium to the percentage required for such weapons. And Iran has in fact been quite doveish in many respects and now they have a more moderate PM they are back in talks with the USA etc regarding the uranium situation. I don't like some of the more radical ideas emananting from Iran, but terrorist? No. LL
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Post  bb1 Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:01 pm

Thanks, LL, I didn't remember Iran doing any terrorising, except to it's own citizens when they fell foul of Sharia law.
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Post  Lamplighter Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:09 pm

Some more for you - Netanyahu's brother was the leader of the IDF troops who rescued the Israelis and Jews in Operation Entebbe. He was shot dead, the only Israeli soldier to be killed. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said his "hard line against all terrorists" came as a result of the death of his brother. Festering revenge?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Entebbe

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Post  bb1 Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:24 pm

Ah, so a personal matter is clouding his judgement? Not good.
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Post  Lamplighter Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:31 pm

Breakingnews Breakingnews 
HAMAS claim they have captured an Israeli soldier!!  LL

ETA It seems they took him this morning and have only just announced it. This means they have had at least 12 hours to hide him. Expected that IDF will send in commandos to find him but they are atr a disadvanatge as the Gazans know the area, they don't. LL
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Post  bb1 Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:48 pm

Just seen that, LL. I wonder if he will be swapped for the Palestinians being detained without trial?
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Post  Lamplighter Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:54 pm

bb1 wrote:Just seen that, LL. I wonder if he will be swapped for the Palestinians being detained without trial?
I'm watching it on CNN, and that is one idea they have been putting forward.  No yea or nay from Israel.   CNN reporter said that the info coming out re the fighting from the Plaestinian fighters has so far been correct, so this may well also be true.   LL

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/israel-to-expand-ground-offensive-in-gaza/27044954

ETA If correct this could be a big boost for HAMAS.   LL

The Israel Defense Forces said 13 soldiers were killed. At a news conference, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu expressed the country's "deep pain" at the loss of the soldiers.
No sorrow for the children on the beach, feeding the pigeons on the roof, dying in their beds? No, thought not. LL
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Post  bb1 Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:01 pm

From:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28394523

The IDF's casualties may make Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu even more determined to see this mission through even as the rising Palestinian death toll brings ever greater diplomatic pressure upon Israel to halt.

Of course the fundamental question remains - what does Israel see as the endpoint to this operation?

Can the tunnel infrastructure for example really be destroyed in a lasting way? And what level of Israeli casualties can be sustained in doing what may only be a temporary job?

For now, in a curious way, it may be Hamas that feels the more confident.

According to its narrative it has withstood the "iron fist" albeit at a cost of hundreds of ''martyrs".

But its credentials as a resistance force have been strengthened and it has shown by its incursions that it can even take the battle to the enemy.

Israel's fundamental goal in whatever remains of this operation will be to significantly disrupt this narrative.


This bombing of Gaza, IMO, may well set events in train that lead to Israel's downfall. Most of the world is utterly sickened by what they've done. And for every woman and child they've killed, they've created ten more enemies looking for payback.
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Post  lily Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:19 pm

Thank you Bonny and LL.  Crying or Very sad 
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Post  bb1 Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:20 pm

You know, I would really love to wake up one morning to GOOD news, instead of the recent unremitting misery and death.
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Post  bb1 Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:24 pm

I'm watching AJ just now, and someone has made a very good point...

Israel keeps claiming its actions are justified because 'Hamas are using people as human shields'. Have they ever produced any proof of this, or have they repeated it so often, it's now taken as 'truth'?
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Post  bb1 Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:29 pm

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/20/world/meast/mideast-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Separately, Kerry was caught on an open mic, appearing to criticize Israeli assurances that its ground offensive in Gaza would be limited.
His comments occurred between multiple television interviews. He was heard in a phone conversation with a State Department deputy, Jonathan Finer, discussing the deaths of Israeli soldiers killed overnight.
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"I hope they don't think that's an invitation to go do more," Kerry said in the unguarded moment. "That better be the warning to them."
At that point, Finer is heard mentioning the number of Palestinians wounded and killed in the past 24 hours.
"It's a hell of a pinpoint operation. It's a hell of a pinpoint operation," Kerry said, a seemingly frustrated comment aimed at Israel.
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Post  lily Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:31 pm

Bonny, no. We don't know the veracity of the human shields narrative. Maybe some of this happened before but now?
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Post  Lamplighter Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:13 am

Gaza's bloodiest day as at least 100 Palestinians are killed
• Hospitals overwhelmed after shelling of Shujai'iya suburb
• Bombardment described by Arab League as a 'war crime'
• UN security council holds emergency meeting
• Israel denies Hamas claims of captured Israeli soldier

Peter Beaumont in Gaza City, Harriet Sherwood in Tel Aviv and Ian Black
The Guardian, Sunday 20 July 2014 22.54 BST

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Amid floundering efforts to start meaningful ceasefire talks, there was little sign of real pressure on Israel to lessen or halt the killing of civilians. Photograph: Mohammed Saber/EPA

Gaza endured the bloodiest day of the two-week conflict between Hamas and Israelon Sunday, with an Israeli assault in a residential area causing carnage described by the Palestinian leadership as a "heinous massacre" and a "war crime" by the Arab League.

At least 100 Palestinians were killed – 67 in one area – as Israel escalated its military onslaught overnight. The corpses of women and children were strewn in streets of Shujai'iya as people fled on foot and packed into vehicles.

The UN security council was holding an emergency meeting on Sunday night in New York at the request of Jordan to discuss the worsening situation in Gaza.

A Jordan-drafted resolution obtained expressed "grave concern" at the high number of civilians killed in Gaza, including children, and it called for an immediate cease-fire, "including the withdrawal of Israeli occupying forces from the Gaza Strip".

On Sunday, night, a spokesman for Hamas's armed wing claimed that the group had captured an Israeli soldier during fighting in Gaza. But Israel's UN ambassador Ron Prosor said in New York on Sunday night that there was no kidnapped Israeli soldier. "Those rumours are untrue," he said.

During the course of Sunday 13 Israeli soldiers were killed – a dramatic rise in casualties that could increase pressure inside Israel for an end to the fighting, or harden determination to inflict a decisive blow on Hamas.

Hospitals in Gaza were overwhelmed by the injured and terrified seeking sanctuary from a relentless bombardment from air, sea and tanks, as gun battles raged on the ground between Israeli soldiers and Hamas militants.

Early on Monday morning, the UN security council was due to hold an emergency meeting to discuss the conflict, at the request of Jordan.

The Palestinian government described the bloodshed in Shujai'iya as a "heinous massacre" and called on the international community to intervene immediately to stop the "Israeli aggression", while the Arab League described the shelling as "a war crime against Palestinian civilians and a dangerous escalation".

But condemnation from international leaders was muted. Amid floundering efforts to start meaningful ceasefire talks, there was little sign of real pressure on Israel to lessen or halt the killing of civilians. Barack Obama raised "serious concern" about the growing number of Palestinian casualties in a phone conversation on Sunday night with Israel's prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu.

At a televised press conference, Netanyahu warned Israel's operation would continue, saying after three ceasefire offers, it now had international backing for its ground offensive: "We will continue this operation for as long as it takes."

More than 425 Palestinians – mostly civilians – have been killed and about 3,000 injured.

Twenty Israelis, including two civilians, have died, including two Americans fighting with the Israel Defense Force.

Stuart Steinberg confirmed the death of his 24-year-old son, Max Steinberg, on Sunday. Steinberg, whose family lives in California, was a sharpshooter for the Golani Brigade and was one of 13 men killed in fighting Saturday. The second American was named as 21-year-old Sgt Nissim Sean Carmeli from Texas.

In a CNN interview, Netanyahu accused Hamas leaders of using civilians as human shields. He called them "genocidal terrorists" with a callous disregard for civilian casualties. "They use telegenically dead Palestinians for their cause. They want the more dead, the better," he said.

He said Israel did not want "to go to excessive lengths" while insisting that its forces would take "whatever action is necessary" to stop rocket fire from Gaza. "We try to target military targets and unfortunately there are civilian casualties which we regret and we don't seek," he said.

After praising Netanyahu for a "pinpointed" operation and restating America's commitment to Israel's right to defend itself, an apparently frustrated US secretary of state, John Kerry, was caught on a Fox News microphone telling an aide sarcastically: "It's a hell of a pinpointed operation."

As the bombardment intensified, the Israeli military declined to deny it was using flechette shells in Gaza, saying only that it adhered to international law and flechette munitions were permitted under the law of armed conflict. Flechette shells spray out thousands of potentially lethal tiny metal darts with sharpened tips, which can shred flesh.

The Red Cross appealed for a humanitarian ceasefire for two hours on Sunday afternoon, to allow the evacuation of the dead and injured. The truce broke down after an hour – with both sides accusing the other of breaches – but resumed later. The Israelis told Palestinians to use the pause in bombing to leave homes in vulnerable areas.

The UN agency for Palestinian refugees, UNRWA, said more than 63,000 people had sought sanctuary in the 49 shelters it has opened in Gaza, and that it expected this figure to rise. "The number has tripled in the last three days, reflecting the intensity of the conflict and the inordinate threats the fighting is posing to civilians. We call on all sides to exercise maximum restraint and to adhere to obligations under international law to protect civilians and humanitarian workers," said a spokesman, Chris Gunness.

Shawan Jabarin of the Palestinian human rights organisation Al-Haq warned that Israel's assault on residential areas in Gaza, resulting in high and rising civilian deaths, could constitute war crimes.

"Throughout this latest escalation of attacks, as with Operation Cast Lead and Operation Pillar of Defence, we see a disproportionate number of civilian deaths and damage to civilian property. The obligation not to target civilians and civilian infrastructure is absolute and any intentional violation of this obligation amounts to a war crime."

Attempts to broker a durable ceasefire agreement continued in Doha, where the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, was due to meet Hamas's leader-in-exile, Khaled Mishal.

Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary general, was also flying to Doha for a round of emergency talks. Ban was due to meet the emir, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani, and Abbas. Qatar's close links to Hamas make it uniquely placed to try to mediate in the conflict.

On Monday, Ban will move to Cairo to meet President Abdel-Fatah al-Sisi, author of a ceasefire plan already rejected by Hamas. Hamas said Mishal had also been invited to Cairo.

Kerry will fly to Cairo on Monday to add his weight to the peace efforts, after reiterating concern over the risk of further escalation. In a conversation with his aide inadvertently recorded by Fox News, he said: "We've got to get over there ... I think we ought to go tonight. I think it's crazy to be sitting around."

Qatar's role as mediator is being enhanced by the deep hostility of Egypt's government to Hamas, which has close links to the now-banned Muslim Brotherhood. According to the Israeli daily Haaretz, a key element of the Egyptian initiative – rejected by Hamas – is the return of Abbas's Palestinian Authority to Gaza, for the first time since Hamas's 2007 takeover of the territory.

Hamas is demanding an end to the Israeli blockade of Gaza, an opening of the border with Egypt and a release of scores of recently re-arrested prisoners by Israel.

The Israeli military said it had "neutralised" two Palestinian militants who "emerged from a tunnel" in southern Israel on Sunday as Hamas continued to fire rockets into Israel, most of which were intercepted by its anti-missile system. Israel soldiers have uncovered 34 shafts leading into about a dozen underground tunnels, some as deep as 30 metres. Israel has said demolishing tunnels is the principal goal of its ground operation.
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Israeli soldier posts Instagram image of Palestinian child in crosshairs of rifle
Military investigates Mor Ostrovski, 20, as row grows over spate of offensive images posted online by Israeli soldiers

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Israeli soldier posts disturbing Instagram photo of child in crosshairs of his rifle

Israeli soldier Mor Ostrovski, 20, has sparked controversy after posting this image on his Instagram account. Photograph: electronicintifada.net

An Israeli soldier has sparked outrage by posting a photograph appearing to show the back of a Palestinian boy's head in the crosshairs of his sniper rifle on a social networking site.

The context of the picture, posted on the personal Instagram site of Mor Ostrovski, 20, could not be verified but the aggressive message is clear. The minarets and Arabic architecture of the village captured in the background suggest the boy and the town are Palestinian. Ostrovski is an Israeli soldier in a sniper unit.

The Israeli military said the soldier's commanders were investigating the incident. His actions "are not in accordance with the spirit of the IDF [Israel Defence Forces] or its values", a spokesperson said.

Ostrovski, who has closed his Instagram account, told the army he did not take the picture but found it on the internet.

Breaking the Silence, an organisation of veteran Israeli combat soldiers campaigning to raise awareness about life in the West Bank, condemned the image. "This is what occupation looks like. This is what military control over a civilian population looks like," one member wrote on the group's Facebook page.

The image has been heavily criticised online. Electronic Intifada, a news site focused on Palestinian issues, described the photograph as "tasteless and dehumanising". The site published several other images from Ostrovski's Instagram page, including snaps of the soldier posing with heavy-duty guns.

The Israeli military has been hit by a series of scandals from uncensored social media sites, and Electronic Intifada has been one of the more rigorous monitors of offensive postings by Israeli soldiers.

In December, the site discovered Nisim Asis, a 22-year-old soldier from the Beit-El settlement, who posted racist images on his Instagram page, including a picture of himself licking what is probably tomato ketchup from a knife with the caption: "feck all Arabs their blood is tasty".

In another unrelated incident, an infantry corps soldier was recently sentenced to 14 days in military prison for posting a picture of himself beside a handcuffed and blindfolded Palestinian on Facebook.

In both these incidents, and the similar case of a female IDF soldier who uploaded lewd images of herself with Palestinian detainees several years ago, military discipline was deemed adequate and criminal investigations dropped.

This is the site mentioned above - http://electronicintifada.net/ worth looking at. LL
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Post  Lamplighter Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:39 am

Fox confronts Kerry with hot-mike comment on Israel: ‘Hell of a pinpoint operation’

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/07/20/fox-confronts-kerry-with-hot-mic-comment-on-israel-hell-of-a-pinpoint-operation/

By Philip Bump July 20 at 9:56 AM

This post has been updated.

In an unusual moment during "Fox News Sunday," host Chris Wallace presented Secretary of State John Kerry with video recorded before he came on air.

The segment begins shortly after the 11-minute mark in this video.

(You will need to access the link as I can't get this video to attach here. LL)

Wallace introduced the segment as being in reference to civilians killed in fighting in the Gaza Strip. "While you were on camera and while on microphone," Wallace said, "you spoke to one of your top aides between the interviews about the situation in Israel." He then played what the network had recorded. In the clip, Kerry is holding a cellphone conversation with someone. The person on the other end of the call isn't identified, and the audio from the other participant is staticky.

Kerry's comments are clear. "It's a hell of a pinpoint operation," he says, then repeats it. "It's a hell of a pinpoint operation." It's an apparent reference to Israel's insistence that its incursion into the region would be limited. "It's escalating significantly," the person on the phone replies, and Kerry then says: "We've got to get over there. I think we ought to go tonight." He then calls it "crazy" to be "sitting around."

"When you said it's a hell of a pinpoint operation," Wallace asked, are you "upset that the Israelis are going too far?"

"It's very difficult in these situations," Kerry said, repeating that the United States supports Israel's right to defend itself. He then explained his comments by saying, "I reacted, obviously, in a way that anybody does in respect to young children and civilians."

The interaction came after the two had already raised their voices over Kerry's responses to other questions. "You and others don't ever want to give the Obama administration credit for almost anything," Kerry said to Wallace after a question about Iran. When Wallace interrupted his response, Kerry grumbled, "Chris, you like to ask questions, but you don't like to get answers."

On Sunday afternoon, the White House announced that Kerry would travel to Cairo in an effort to help broker an end to hostilities.

Update: State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki offered the Post the following statement about Kerry's remarks.

Given the range of important global events we are not going to spend time litigating whether taping and playing Secretary Kerry's private conversation was consistent with acceptable protocol. Regardless, his private comments were consistent with his publicly stated view on all five shows: Israel has the right to defend itself including against recent tunnel attacks, but he has encouraged them to not only take steps to prevent civilian casualties, but to take steps to de-escalate and we're working together to achieve a ceasefire.
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Post  Lamplighter Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:59 am

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/is-the-dream-of-israel-palestine-peace-dead-204626276.html

Marwan Bishara of Aljazeera:  http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/07/gaza-1994-2004-peace-led-war-2014720144816864760.html

Remember Netanyahu's 'Iran has nuclear weapons ranter yesterday? Latest news re the uranium matter. LL

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28397207
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Post  bb1 Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:02 am


This is the site mentioned above - http://electronicintifada.net/ worth looking at. LL


Just catching up now, but thanks, LL, I hadn't seen that one. This is the other one mentioned:

http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/

Well worth a read.

Iran has turned all of its enriched uranium closest to the level needed to make nuclear arms into more harmless forms, the UN nuclear agency says.

The conversion of its stock of 20%-enriched uranium was part of a deal to curb Iran's nuclear programme.

The US said last week it would unblock $2.8bn in frozen Iranian funds in return for Iran's compliance.


That's interesting, and won't go down well in Tell Aviv.
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