Referendum aftermath

From:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/20/irvine-welsh-scottish-independence-glorious-failure

They will have to cool their ardour a while longer, although anybody believing they'll stop now is indulging in wishful thinking. Why would they? The process and the subsequent debate, which they won handsomely, took support for independence from around 30% to 45% and heading north. It's now established as the compelling narrative of the post-devolution generation, while no dominates only in a declining constituency of elderly voters. Yes may have lost this battle, but the war is being won.



That's a very good piece. I gather that, yesterday, the SNP gained more than 1,000 new members. Also, for the first time, there is a movement for Independence, which is only going to gather strength.

The majority of the 16s to late fifties voted for independence - and that's not going to go away, it's only going to grow. From 900,000 people voting for the SNP at the last Scottish election, we now have 1,600,000+ supporting independence. It's a movement now, not just one political party.

And they have all now seen the dirty tricks, the threats from London, the shocking bias of the media, the disgusting, racist lies printed by the Mail and its ilk, at first hand, for the first time in many cases.

The British establishment now has an even bigger headache than it did before the vote.

Sabot, they're being allowed to march through Glasgow again today. Glasgow council is Labour-controlled.

If the Yes supporters have got any sense they will stay away.

What is the point of this march, and why has it been allowed? Glasgow voted YES. Everybody knows that. So this is just provocation allowed by Labour.

Yes, Sabot. Don't worry, the YESes are neither tribal nor stupid - unlike that scum.

But you start to see the extent of the deceit and lies when these thugs have been ignored all along by the fawning media, and YESes dancing and singing have been portrayed as sinister and intimidating.

One of the many reasons I watch Russia Today and Al Jazeerah. I know those two stations honestly and fairly reported on events in Scotland over the past few weeks, so it's fair to assume they are, allowing for national bias, reporting honestly and fairly on other matters.

alex thomson ‏@alextomo  3h
CCTV confirms an arson attack last might on a generator at the rear of the pro-independence Sunday Herald building in Glasgow #indyref

No prizes for guessing who that was, as it happened while the unionists were 'celebrating' in George Square.

Right-wing unionist thugs rioting in the streets and trying to burn pro-independence newspapers down? Welcome to the militant wing of Better Together, the side we all knew about but the media all avoided mentioning. Oh, except to say how wonderful and colourful they were when they marched through Edinburgh last weekend.

bb1 wrote:alex thomson ‏@alextomo  3h
CCTV confirms an arson attack last might on a generator at the rear of the pro-independence Sunday Herald building in Glasgow #indyref

No prizes for guessing who that was, as it happened while the unionists were 'celebrating' in George Square.

Right-wing unionist thugs rioting in the streets and trying to burn pro-independence newspapers down? Welcome to the militant wing of Better Together, the side we all knew about but the media all avoided mentioning. Oh, except to say how wonderful and colourful they were when they marched through Edinburgh last weekend.

It tells a person everything they need to know.  

Looks like the Love Bombing's over now the vote's in.

OMG he looks like he could be Gordon Brown's younger brother.

So, the SNP's membership is up 5,000 since the result was declared, and the Scottish Greens membership is up 2,000; I predict mega-storms ahead.

Incidentally, I had always thought of the Greens as being quiet and polite, until I saw Green leader Patrick Harvie deliver that stunning attack on Gorgeous George over his attitude to women and rape - it was wonderful!

Steadily the numbers will climb the heights....

This piece describes it well:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/verdict-no-arguments-about-this-vote-but-another-referendum-will-be-unavoidable.1411103138

No arguments about this vote, but another referendum will be unavoidable

Ian Bell
Columnist
Friday 19 September 2014
When the turn-out is huge and the margin is clear, there can be no arguments.There need be no argument now. Scotland has said No to independence.

Whether Scotland yet knows what that choice implies is another matter. Whether those who run Britain have solved their Scottish problem for good or for a while remains, given that turn-out, to be seen.

At the time of writing 46% of the great majority of Scottish voters were content to break up the United Kingdom. They were outvoted by fellow Scots who chose an undefined offer of more powers for the Holyrood parliament. Two attitudes remain unreconciled.

There will be trouble, obviously enough, if the bigger Westminster parties do not, in the parlance, "deliver". The Scottish National Party will seize upon any failure. But the signs, for No voters, are not promising.

Which powers? When? And how - if it's even possible - can such concessions be reconciled with the growing sense in England that justice has not been done by its citizens?

In victory, the Better Together campaign might have made things difficult indeed for those who would keep the UK together.

How can you allow "English votes over English laws" while giving the Scots the luxury, as it is regarded, of the Barnett formula?

How can you keep the UK together without answering the West Lothian question? Winning a referendum solves nothing for believers in Britain.

It solves little for the Scots, either. Alistair Darling and Better Together have won a handsome victory but not, by any stretch, the decisive vote they wanted.

A big minority in Scotland have delivered a vote for dissent from the British way of doing things. They have rejected every blandishment. They are not happy Brits.

A lot of them are also unhappy former Scottish Labour voters. That party has thrown itself on to the wire to win this contest for the Union. The victory has been achieved, but the cost has been high indeed for the People's Party.

If nothing else - and it is a bit more than nothing - Labour have failed to hold tight to Glasgow. That, like a referendum on independence, was once unthinkable, but it no longer needs to be imagined.

We have not heard the last of it. Sooner or later, another referendum will be unavoidable.

I give it five years, tops, till the next one. The Vowers can't keep their Vows without blowing the rest of the dis-United Kingdom apart, for starters.

If the upcoming elections prove that to be the case, then there won't need to be a referendum.

"....but only if it sidelines it's fight to breakup Britain?" 

Who says so?  The Mail?  

Quite, the Mail, the most disgusting rag on the face of the earth. Look at its edition for English voters:



Bit of a difference...

Something tells me Alex Salmond isn't going to stay in any political shadows for long, either.

All that Vowing is going splendidly, isn't it? After the stupendous Unionist victory, the only party leaders who appear to be happy are Farage and Alex Salmond, who isn't actually going for a couple of months yet.

Oh dear.....what a shame.   

It serves the Stooges right, Lily. They can't keep there Vows, it's plain and simply impossible, so look out for lots of delaying tactics, committees, lessons being learned, etc.

Incidentally, can you imagine the headlines if an enraged Independence-type person tried to burn down the Daily Mail offices? Yet, no outrage about whatever Unionist thug launched an arson attack against the Herald last night.

They are bereft of any moral values......

It appears Jack Straw now wants to outlaw the SNP and other independence parties. This is insane.

When did the UK become a dictatorship?  

I've seen a lot of elections, etc., Lily, and this has been the worst ever - I've never, ever seen so many dirty tricks and outright lies from the media before. It felt as if the entire world decided it was entitled to attack YES - Obama, almost all the media, the banks, big business. Merkel, everyone. And in the end, the unionists still only won because they succeeded in terrifying elderly people.

I am enjoying the irony of Westminster now having to solve an unsolvable problem, which threatens to pull the WHOLE of the UK apart.

A clean campaign and a clean break would have been far better in the long run, IMO.

Karma can be such a b*tch.  They had it comin'.   

It will be interesting to see what happens.......

I bet you can't wait to read it....neither can we.  

Peter Murrell @PeterMurrell · 2h
Scrub that, 8102 new @theSNP members. In under 65 hours!! Be part of it: https://my.snp.org/join

And an extremely cheery Alex Salmond has just been on Sky, giving a very relaxed interview on the banks of his local loch, while all the Vowers run around like headless chickens and backstab each other.