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Post  Lamplighter Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:50 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/hungary-hot-spot-migrant-route-eu-124956741.html

This is from late 2014, but the immigrant problem has risen considerably since then.   They are not welcome in Hungary, which is a relatively poor country and has huge problems finding jobs for its own people.   These people are aiming mainly for Germany, but also target Austria.   This has now become the alternative route to the boats crossing the Med.    LL
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Post  bb1 Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:57 pm

Are they the same groups, LL? The ones fetching up in Hungary don't seem to be the same as the Mediterrean ones, who are mostly African?

I won't pretend to know what the answer is; unfortunately, countries like Sweden that have welcomed all sorts with open arms have seen cities in their once near-perfect democracy rapidly turning into third-world dumps. Stockholm is now the rape capital of Europe and I wouldn't blame Hungary for not wanting to go the same way.

As I say, I won't pretend to know what the answer is.
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Post  Lamplighter Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:34 pm

The ones coming into Hungary are mainly Kosovans, fleeing from persecution by Serbia, Albanians, Syrians and Afghans. The Med ones are mainly from Africa and from the Arab countries. The big problem is that many of the are Muslim and the far right is racheting up the hate. We have many Muslims here, they have been here since the 15th century. LL
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Post  Lamplighter Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:51 am

It seems the idea of this border fence between here and Serbia is a very clever plan!  Under EU rules the migrants, if not accepted, must be sent back to their original point of entry; closing the Serbian border means they have to enter either via Croatia or Ukraine.  They are then, if refused entry, the problem of the Ukrainian and Croatian governments, not Hungary's.    As it is, we now have a further issue in that the Government here is planning two refugee camps in the south, appropriating land from a very poor village with only 192 occupants - the land was once an artillery training range under the Soviets - that these villagers have been trying to restore to agricultural use for the past 10 years.   The area will have no sewage, running water or electicity.   The mayor reckons this idea is a punishment for not supporting the government party in the last local elections.   The other village is larger and very agricultural.    This is a quote from an English/Hungarian website:
The decision was made so hastily that Gabriella Csémi, the independent deputy mayor of Martonfa, only found out about via the internet last weekend. This prompted her to write an open letter on Facebook to prime minister Viktor Orbán, in which she pointed out that the area around Martonfa is totally unsuitable for providing shelter for a large number of people. Let alone the fact that the village itself – which consists of five streets altogether – has no sewage system, the proposed site of the refugee camp was previously a shooting range for the army, therefore it does not have any kind of public utilities in place.
Csémi also informed the prime minister that the village had been trying for ten years to make the 66-hectare site suitable for agricultural use. Last year they launched a social cooperative to be able to grow their own vegetables so that the village becomes more self-sufficient and unemployment is also reduced. She found it very odd that after years of ignoring their pleas for assistance, now the government suddenly decided on the building of a refugee camp on these fields without any preliminary consultation with the locals.
Csémi also pointed out that Gábor Vona, the leader of the far-right Jobbik party recently visited Martonfa, and promised his assistance for the social cooperative to obtain the fields. As the Interior Ministry appointed the area as the site of the camp within two weeks, Csémi could not help thinking that this was “petty vengeance” on behalf of the government for the readiness of the village to cooperate with Jobbik.
The election of local mayors last year resulted in a big loss of power to Fidusz, the ruling party, in the villages as most chose to elect independent mayors, ours has no affiliation to any political party.  Since being in office he has managed to do more for the village than the last mayor whose 6 year rule was a corrupt disaster.    LL
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Post  bb1 Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:00 pm

I am afraid this wave of uncontrolled immigration is causing trouble all over Europe, and Cameron needs to get his finger out - he can close the flaming Tunnel permanently for all most people care.
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Post  Lamplighter Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:15 pm

A possible way to stem the tide while the EU sorts out the mess here is to postpone Schengen - the legal right of free passage, passport free between EU countries - for now. No passport, no can enter Europe. Cameron cannot help over Schengen as the UK is not a party to it. And closing the Tunnel down will merely make the ferries targets for the migrants, thus putting all who use them in danger. The problem is that everyone is retrenching and not trying to deal with the problem as the French Dep Mayor made clear when she threatened legal action against the UK - surely it is the UK who should be prosecuting the French for failing to contain the problem in Calais? Have you noticed it is the small countries with not much room left for more people than the big countries with huge tracts of empty land who are bearing the brunt of all this? The Aussies seem to have solved the problem, no can put foot on our soil, we will give you sanctuary on someone elses' land, preferably an island as far away as possible in the middle of a big ocean. LL
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Post  bb1 Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:40 pm

I am personally sick of reading about all those 'heroic rescues' in the Med. It may give the rescuers a glow of righteousness to tow 'migrants' from the shores of Libya to Italy, but all they are actually doing is AIDING traffickers and dumping yet more people on a continent that doesn't want them and cannot cope with them.

If people are fished out of the water, then feed and water them, and take them back to Libya. All these self-righteous fools are doing at present is to enrich human traffickers, and make life easier for them.

Most of them are NOT genuine asylum seekers, fleeing wars. The overwhelming majority of them are sub-Saharan, young moslem men - why aren't they going to much easier destinations in Zimbabwe and South Africa?

Africa is huge and rich, FFS, with far more natural resources than Europe. A far better use of the billions of pounds of overseas aid which is currently being thrown down the toilet would be to bribe one of the saner African governments to resettle these people. IMO.

Unless, of course, the attraction of Europe is that stupid, bien pensant Europeans are easy to rip off?
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Post  lily Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:22 pm

You should rent Trump for a few days or so.  He will get everyone focused on the issue pretty darn quick.     rofl
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Post  Lamplighter Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:24 pm

lily wrote:You should rent Trump for a few days or so.  He will get everyone focused on the issue pretty darn quick.     rofl
No thanks, I can't stand him! LL
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Post  lily Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:27 pm

I don't care for him either as a person, LL, but he is getting politicians suddenly focused on matters that should have been dealt with years ago.  I like that.....
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Post  bb1 Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:28 pm

It's OK, Lily, we've got his long-lost twin, Boris Johnston.
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Post  lily Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:34 pm

rofl rofl rofl rofl
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Post  bb1 Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:37 pm

lily wrote:I don't care for him either as a person, LL, but he is getting politicians suddenly focused on matters that should have been dealt with years ago.  I like that.....

It's very interesting to watch the reaction of the Washington cabal - Rep and Dem - from a distance, Lily. Wink
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Post  Lamplighter Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:46 pm

Look, we have Der Diktator, Victor Orban, which is bad enough, don't wish more woe on us. This is his Action Man pose, by the way.  

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And here is the Great Statesman pose.   LL    rofl  rofl  rofl  rofl

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Post  lily Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:49 pm

They do seem very unsettled by him, don't they?  He's also getting most of the news.... biggrin

Respect, LL.  roflroflrofl
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Post  bb1 Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:02 pm

I see Bulgaria is taking similar action:

How Bulgaria keeps migrants out - with 50 miles of razor wire: Fence along Turkish border that is 15ft tall and 5ft wide said to have kept out 500 people in a month
Fence sealing Bulgaria's entire border with Turkey appears impregnable
Country's authorities want to block people smugglers coming via Bulgaria
Fence is monitored 24/7 by armed guards stationed at strategic points



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Post  lily Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:21 pm

That looks pretty gruesome.....
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Post  bb1 Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:37 pm

Really, we should congratulate the Great and Good for the complete, utter mess they have created. Barbed wire fences going up again in Europe, endless fights in 'refugee camps', fights between 'refugees' and outraged locals, especially in Germany and Sweden, and Stockholm is now the rape capital of Europe.

Oh, and the far-Right is rising again.
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Post  lily Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:49 pm

Was that the idea in the first place?  I mean, it sure seems like it......
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Post  bb1 Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:57 pm

Not the 'far Right rising' bit, Lily, they didn't foresee that, hence the efforts to paint anyone that objects to mass immigration as evil raycists....

But the causing chaos? The undermining of nation states? The importation of unskilled, cheap labour and destruction of workers' rights? Yes, I suspect that is deliberate, because it all suits globalists down to the ground.
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Post  lily Sat Aug 08, 2015 4:08 pm

Ah yes, of course.   


But the causing chaos? The undermining of nation states? The importation of unskilled, cheap labour and destruction of workers' rights? Yes, I suspect that is deliberate, because it all suits globalists down to the ground.


There is no question about that.  They want more, more, more.  They are the ones with no soul......
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Post  Lamplighter Sun Aug 09, 2015 9:28 am

August 8th, 2015
Budapest district mayor closes down playground to prevent refugee children from playing there
By Zoltán Szécsi

Máté Kocsis, the mayor of Budapest’s District VIII – and also communications director of the governing Fidesz party – ordered the closing down of the playground on the district’s central square in order to prevent “migrant children” from playing there, reports hvg.hu.

Kocsis also made a Facebook post on Wednesday claiming that “The migrants have completely destroyed our recently renovated II. János Pál pápa (Pope John Paul II) Square. They are erecting tents, lighting fires, littering, raving, stealing, stabbing, damaging property. I have never seen this much human excrement in a public place.”

Several hundreds refugees have indeed been using the premises over the last couple of weeks as temporary shelter. But the liberal weekly reported that contrary to Kocsis’s statements, the migrants have not caused major problems, and locals have been helpful to them, with a group of volunteers regularly distributing food and water to them. “The poor are helping the poor, as (prime minister) Orbán fails to do so,” the owner of an ice-cream shop by the square said.

As for the playground, the District VIII council claimed on Thursday that it was closed down by the Metropolitan Horticultural Ltd. (Főkert), not by them or the mayor himself. The council also promised to put more mobile toilets on the square.
As you can see, the ruling party is, as usual, being economical with the truth and everyone else is indulging in the Hungarian's favorite sport of arguing the toss.   LL
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Post  bb1 Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:13 am

Hungarian's favorite sport of arguing the toss

That's not peculiar to Hungary, and neither is being economical with the truth, LL. rofl rofl rofl rofl
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Post  Lamplighter Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:23 am

bb1 wrote:Hungarian's favorite sport of arguing the toss

That's not peculiar to Hungary, and neither is being economical with the truth, LL. rofl rofl rofl rofl
I know, bonny, but arguing the toss is ingrained in them, and they are magnificant arguers, I know this from first-hand experience - try sitting in a thermal bath, soaking up the heat and discussing, and arguing, on some incredibly obscure subject!! As for being economical with the truth, there isn't a politician on this planet who doesn't practice it. Some are far better than others; I don't think the Hungarian politicians are as good at it as some I could mention!! LL
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Post  bb1 Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:33 am

I can think of another bunch that will argue the toss for hours over the most obscure things, LL - the Scots. rofl rofl rofl

It's an interesting national characteristic, because not everyone does it.
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