Adrian Prout Admits To Killing his wife

All the rubbish about Death Miasma has come from there - from Gonc, in fact.

bb1 wrote:All the rubbish about Death Miasma has come from there - from Gonc, in fact.

SO HAS ALL THE OTHER LIES, Bonny.
I HOPE THE FAT, SLIMEY, BEAST OF PORTIMAO ROTS IN HELL!! F*****G
HIS TODGER OUGHT TO DROP OFF F*****G

HIS TODGER OUGHT TO DROP OFF F*****G
Youch, Eyes watering here Maggs

crazytony wrote:HIS TODGER OUGHT TO DROP OFF F*****G
Youch, Eyes watering here Maggs

Sorry Tony, I'm so bloody angry, I'd gladly kick him so hard in the todger, he'd be wearing it for a necklace.

Maggs wrote:

crazytony wrote:HIS TODGER OUGHT TO DROP OFF F*****G
Youch, Eyes watering here Maggs

Sorry Tony, I'm so bloody angry, I'd gladly kick him so hard in the todger, he'd be wearing it for a necklace.

I see, you want him to wear his family jewels round his neck

crazytony wrote:

Maggs wrote:

crazytony wrote:HIS TODGER OUGHT TO DROP OFF F*****G
Youch, Eyes watering here Maggs

Sorry Tony, I'm so bloody angry, I'd gladly kick him so hard in the todger, he'd be wearing it for a necklace.

I see, you want him to wear his family jewels round his neck

As long as it chokes him Tony, I would be

Maggs wrote:

crazytony wrote:

Maggs wrote:

crazytony wrote:HIS TODGER OUGHT TO DROP OFF F*****G
Youch, Eyes watering here Maggs

Sorry Tony, I'm so bloody angry, I'd gladly kick him so hard in the todger, he'd be wearing it for a necklace.

I see, you want him to wear his family jewels round his neck

As long as it chokes him Tony, I would be

You know Maggs, I don't get angry at him anymore. He is a pathetic bumbling idiot who is going nowhere but down. Everything in his life is unraveling and he has no one to blame but himself. He can hurt the McCanns no more. However, they can, hurt him in the pocket, and will.

HB, when you think of the question asked by the PJ reference the toy; they, didn't believe a word Grime said on it being tainted with cadaver. Hence, the toy was never tested.

HB. Gonc was aking the questions in a meeting with Harrison and Grimes

Upon completion of the search, a meeting took place on the premises of the Police Portimão, Gonçalo Amaral at the office of and among this were Guilhermino INCARNATION, an official representative of Leicestershire Police, Martin GRIME and I
During the meeting we were shown videos with the details of the activities of search and including sniffer dogs led by Martin Grime. GRIME commented on the performance of dogs and added that no evidence or reliable information could be removed, warnings given by the dogs unless they could be confirmed with physical evidence.

How does the search took place?

In this particular case, based on information and experience, which
are the chances of having been a concealment of a body?

honestbroker wrote:Tony

I'd be grateful if you could ask your sources another question that's long bothered me: the simultaneous inspection of 10 vehicles.

We know there was an innocent scent that Eddie (finally) reacted to in the Renault. It seems (to me!) that the likelihood of other cars carrying similarly innocent scents was high, and if so, which car was Eddie supposed to react to? A possible reason for his confusion and for the encouragement he needed before reacting?

A final point: what if an 11th car had been added to the line-up that was a hearse. Which car would Eddie have reacted to and how long would it have taken him to react?

ETA:

My (no doubt shot-to-pieces) logic tells me that to ask a dog to inspect 10 cars simultaneously is unfair on the dog, precisely because it won't have a clue what it's supposed to react to if there are more than one scents within its scent-range?

Surely protocol would be to search each car one at a time?

Or not?

Hi HB.

The hearse question I will have to ask about however, the vehicle search was discussed.

(1) Why were there so many vehicles and if the dog’s training instinct is to smell the air, why didn’t it do so the moment it entered the area? Why was the handler working two dogs at the same time? Why was it necessary to guide the dog to only one vehicle?

(2) Why wasn’t the cadaver dog put in the vehicle after its alert? Did the handler doubt the hit and put the other dog in to verify it was only blood?

(3) Why was the search in a public car park and not in a controlled area?

(4) Who had driven the vehicle prior to the McCanns hiring it and are those names on file?

(5) If the vehicle is evidence where is it being stored now?

Answers to the above.

(1) No reason given in the files for multiple vehicles. No reason given for the lack of reaction from the dog. No reason given for directing the dog to one vehicle.

(2) Handler’s explanation not acceptable. Without definite proof he cannot say what his animal hit on.

(3) No acceptable reason given.

(4) No list of vehicle drivers prior to the McCanns on released files.

(5) Vehicle returned to the hire company then sold.

(6) Conclusion. Answer to (5) proves the search was nothing more than an exercise for the benefit of the Portuguese Law Enforcement/ to intimidate suspects.
ETA: That is the shortened version.

honestbroker wrote:Many thanks, Tony. This gets murkier and murkier.

(2) Why wasn’t the cadaver dog put in the vehicle after its alert? Did the handler doubt the hit and put the other dog in to verify it was only blood?

(2) Handler’s explanation not acceptable. Without definite proof he cannot say what his animal hit on.

There actually is a possible explanation for that. Harrison recommended that Murat's 3 vehicles (alone) should be searched (ironically one, a car he hired, wasn't! but that's by-the-bye) and Harrison said they were looking for Madeleine's blood.

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And in the inspection in the gymnasium, we are explicitly told that before the clothes were laid out, both dogs scouted the area for prior scents before the clothes were laid out and found none.

Somehow that all went by the board for the search of the vehicles.

HB. The two dogs and the same handler was the initial gripe. No one found it acceptable.
Because of the duo and handler, everyone found it difficult to believe it was a serious search.

I've always been amazed that a police officer allegedly drove both the McCann's car and Murat's van to that car park. I don't think there's any record as to whether or not they drove any of the other cars there, but surely that's against all recommended police procedures with the risk of cross contamination.

(2) Why wasn’t the cadaver dog put in the vehicle after its alert? Did the handler doubt the hit and put the other dog in to verify it was only blood?

I suspect Grime must have known something was wrong; remember, he had seen Eddie sniffing around UNDER the rear of the car without any reaction, where - according to Gonc's ghoulish Fridge Theory, 'frozen body fluid' had dripped.

And I don't think for one minute that Grime didn't know all about the Fridge Theory, as Gonc seems incapable of keeping his mouth shut.

According to Grime's statement here:

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic35-20.html

We examined the cars with the dog and the only reaction we got was in relation to the car in the extreme corner. I will indicate that it was the Renault. What we have is a reaction to this door here, where (the dog) lifts its head in the air and sniffs for the objects which it has been trained to detect. And when we limit our movements, the dog chooses this car, this door. It is important to know that the dog chooses the odour that comes from the lower part of the door. Based on this information, I will try to place the dog inside the car.

Now, that simply is not true - it doesn't match the video, despite Levy's editing. We can all see that Eddie was fascinated by something on the garage wall.

As for describing repeatedly calling him back to the McCanns' car as 'we limit our movements' - words fail me. Also, he was howling his little doggie head off at the DRIVER'S door.

Do Fridge Theory Believers think the Evil McCanns transported the defrosting body of their eldest child in the driver's seat? Even they can't be as dense as that, surely?

I wonder if that is when Grime realised something was wrong? He never did risk putting Eddie in the boot, did he?

I wonder if that is when Grime realised something was wrong? He never did risk putting Eddie in the boot, did he?

That is the $64 million question. Why didn't he do that? It would have been so easy.......

What was Grime playing at?

What was Harrison playing at?

As has been noted previously, that video was primarily a business one for demonstration purposes?

Maybe SYP knew that the dog was not so special, HB?

I guess that if Grime had trained her, he may have taken it personally and decided to set his sights elsewhere?

honestbroker wrote:

lily wrote:What was Grime playing at?

What was Harrison playing at?

As has been noted previously, that video was primarily a business one for demonstration purposes?

And in violation of Portuguese secrecy laws, because, at that stage, the veil of secrecy had not been lifted on the Madeleine investigation ...

ETA: we're still in search of an explanation why SYP ditched Keela aged just 3 ....

As I said, the video was watched by professionals and, despite the many faults they found with the search, the one they just couldn't get passed; was the two dogs working at the same time with the same handler. A K 9 instructor stated, "it is professionally wrong and leads to accusations of priming", which he and others, believe there is evidence of.

honestbroker wrote:It's just struck me that in Jersey, we had a repeat of the same error: two sniffer dogs and one handler ...

And we all know what happened there.

Yes, Tony - I freely admit that hadn't dawned on me before. If you take a step back and watch the dog videos, the version we see looks staged...

bb1 wrote:Yes, Tony - I freely admit that hadn't dawned on me before. If you take a step back and watch the dog videos, the version we see looks staged...

That's because it is. Filmed by Levy to boot.......?

I'd like to know just what role Levy played in the whole business, HB - he seems to have acted as Gonc's Propaganda Minister.

As far as I am concerned, there was never anything in the vehicle, period. If there had have been, the vehicle would never have been returned to the McCanns after the search. Nor, would it have been returned to the hire company and sold.

honestbroker wrote:

bb1 wrote:I'd like to know just what role Levy played in the whole business, HB - he seems to have acted as Gonc's Propaganda Minister.

Far too prominent a role is the certain answer. But how? On whose authority?

Perhaps the FBI?
He did say he was in NY to do a report on Madeleine with the FBI.

crazytony wrote:As far as I am concerned, there was never anything in the vehicle, period. If there had have been, the vehicle would never have been returned to the McCanns after the search. Nor, would it have been returned to the hire company and sold.

Quite right, Tony. They would have wanted to preserve this evidence of paramount importance?

lily wrote:

crazytony wrote:As far as I am concerned, there was never anything in the vehicle, period. If there had have been, the vehicle would never have been returned to the McCanns after the search. Nor, would it have been returned to the hire company and sold.

Quite right, Tony. They would have wanted to preserve this evidence of paramount importance?

Correct lily.