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Re: Jimmy Savile accused in ITV documentary
bb1 wrote:Do you suppose Head Hounder is going to be dragged into this, what with all those 'toilet' allegations?
As the hounders who are so enjoying 'debating' this keep saying - there's no smoke without fire.
Now there's a thought. They do so love "Allegations" don't they.
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Sabot wrote:bb1 wrote:Do you suppose Head Hounder is going to be dragged into this, what with all those 'toilet' allegations?
As the hounders who are so enjoying 'debating' this keep saying - there's no smoke without fire.
Now there's a thought. They do so love "Allegations" don't they.
Quite. Er....allegedly.
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Yahoo news:
A spokesman for The Jimmy Savile Charitable Trust said it can only legally use funds for specific charitable purposes, and not for compensation payments.
It is currently considering the "very large number" of requests for funding, including those received from charities working with victims of sex abuse.
Oh, what a surprise! Whoever would have thought compo money might be involved in this!
A spokesman for The Jimmy Savile Charitable Trust said it can only legally use funds for specific charitable purposes, and not for compensation payments.
It is currently considering the "very large number" of requests for funding, including those received from charities working with victims of sex abuse.
Oh, what a surprise! Whoever would have thought compo money might be involved in this!
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I can only hope that these people require a bit more evidence than is currently available.
And Oh MY, what fun someone is going to have sorting this out for the next God knows how many years while all these now ancient dolly birds drag themselves out of where ever.
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Any sign of an outcry from Rantzen and co about these victims of child abuse?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2216553/International-Day-Girl-Child-2012-Devastating-images-terrifying-world-child-brides.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2216553/International-Day-Girl-Child-2012-Devastating-images-terrifying-world-child-brides.html
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19933274
Peel Wing may be re-named after affair claim, says BBC
"We know no spectacle so ridiculous as the British public in one of its periodical fits of morality."
Peel Wing may be re-named after affair claim, says BBC
"We know no spectacle so ridiculous as the British public in one of its periodical fits of morality."
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Oh, what a surprise! Whoever would have foreseen that turn of events?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9605294/Jimmy-Savile-sex-scandal-40-victims-come-forward-to-speak-of-abuse.html
A solicitor said today she had had heard from victims of Savile's alleged abuse who were interested in pursuing either the BBC or Stoke Mandeville hospital for compensation.
Liz Dux told BBC Radio 4's The World At One that the BBC and the hospital had a duty of care to anyone who came into contact with Savile when he was representing their respective organisations.
"It would be against the BBC or the hospital because they would be held vicariously liable in law for the acts of someone like Savile who was acting as their agent," she said.
It is not clear how many women are looking at the potential for civil action, but Ms Dux said they were not interested in the financial benefits, which could run into the tens or even hundreds of thousands of pounds.
"They want some form of recognition as to what has happened to them in the past," she said.
"They want to be taken seriously, they are not interested in the financial compensation at all. They just want the cathartic process of going through and telling someone what they have been through and someone believing them for a change."
She said the stories she had heard were "all very similar" and "sounded very credible". She added: "I would say these cases have good prospects of succeeding."
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A solicitor said today she had had heard from victims of Savile's alleged abuse who were interested in pursuing either the BBC or Stoke Mandeville hospital for compensation.
Liz Dux told BBC Radio 4's The World At One that the BBC and the hospital had a duty of care to anyone who came into contact with Savile when he was representing their respective organisations.
"It would be against the BBC or the hospital because they would be held vicariously liable in law for the acts of someone like Savile who was acting as their agent," she said.
It is not clear how many women are looking at the potential for civil action, but Ms Dux said they were not interested in the financial benefits, which could run into the tens or even hundreds of thousands of pounds.
"They want some form of recognition as to what has happened to them in the past," she said.
"They want to be taken seriously, they are not interested in the financial compensation at all. They just want the cathartic process of going through and telling someone what they have been through and someone believing them for a change."
She said the stories she had heard were "all very similar" and "sounded very credible". She added: "I would say these cases have good prospects of succeeding."
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If there is any truth in what she is saying, I would expect that the individuals who it seems have no interest in the money which may just happen to fail into their hands when they sue for COMPENSATION, will be very openly donating every penny of it to charity.
I can tell them that giving to charity is also a cathartic experience. So they would get two for the price of one. LITERALLY.
I can tell them that giving to charity is also a cathartic experience. So they would get two for the price of one. LITERALLY.
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I am surprised any of them would even be thinking of anything as crass and vulgar as compo money, Greenink - surely being given the chance to tell their stories after forty years of being rendered strangely speechless would be compensation enough?
Just wait till the first newspaper boss or TV reporter gets dragged into this, it'll stop overnight.
Just wait till the first newspaper boss or TV reporter gets dragged into this, it'll stop overnight.
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I am surprised that the Royals have not been dragged in and named and shamed. And the politicians, and the clergy and the chiefs of the army, navy and airforce while they are at it.
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Give it another few days of hysterics like this and they will be, Greenink. Outsiders must think the citizens of the UK have gone completely insane.
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Well, my original prognosis has been confirmed, they are ALL after the money, however much they do the high horse routine that all they want is recognition of how they were abused, which they would get by just asking in court for it without adding the ÂŁ signs. And IMHO I still maintain that quite a few are just making it up. LL
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From today's SUN:
So, Ratzen would appear to be lying through her teeth? Are we surprised? LL
ETA: This is the article re Shy and what was done to her, and how the UK is soft on paedos. Makes nasty reading. LL
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3023753/Paedo-beast-to-go-free-after-just-9yrs.html
Abuse campaigner: I told Esther Rantzen about paedo Jimmy Savile 18 years ago
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Last Updated: 13th October 2012
ESTHER Rantzen faces claims that she failed to act on Jimmy Savile paedophile rumours.
Abuse campaigner Shy Keenan says she alerted her 18 years ago.
Shy — who represents the charity The Phoenix Post, a victims’ advocacy group — said she raised concerns she had heard about the depraved star when she was contributing to a TV show.
She said: “I heard rumours about Savile’s behaviour. I didn’t know what to do but felt I had a duty to pass them on.”
Shy, 49, who was abused by her stepfather and a ring of his friends, decided to tell television personality and ChildLine founder Esther.
She said: “I had been introduced to Esther through the late sex offender specialist Ray Wyre, as a victim of child abuse. I was talking to her about what needed to be done to help victims like me.
“I was shocked by what I had heard so I thought I would tell Esther about it.”
Esther, 72, yesterday said she recalls herself or one of her researchers speaking to a girl called Peeta about being abused by her father. Shy used that name at the time. But Esther denied ever being told about specific victims of Savile.
She said she could have been told about victims of a TV star or household name — but cannot remember the incident.
She said: “It is possible.” Esther said she would have advised the person who told her to help the victims and give them the confidence to go to the police.
She said: “I do not believe she ever named Jimmy Savile or any other perpetrator.”
Esther said in last week’s ITV documentary on Savile: “We all blocked our ears to the gossip. There was gossip, there were rumours. It’s very distressing.”
Shy was raped from the age of three by her paedo stepdad who also pimped her out to other perverts in Birkenhead, Merseyside.
As an adult she bravely wore a hidden camera to snare depraved Stanley Claridge boasting of the attacks. He was jailed for 15 years.
Shy later wrote a book on her experiences and became a leading campaigner and advocate for child abuse victims.
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4587116/Abuse-campaigner-I-told-Esther-Rantzen-about-paedo-Jimmy-Savile-18-years-ago.html#ixzz29APZhbkc
So, Ratzen would appear to be lying through her teeth? Are we surprised? LL
ETA: This is the article re Shy and what was done to her, and how the UK is soft on paedos. Makes nasty reading. LL
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3023753/Paedo-beast-to-go-free-after-just-9yrs.html
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It makes all these terrible tales about dead TV stars touching innocent young groupies' shoulders for five seconds look ridiculous, doesn't it, LL?
And I still want to know why the horrifying events in Rochdale and elsewhere, involving current, multiple abuse of the worst kind, is barely being mentioned while the nation is obsessed with GropeGate.
If I was a cynical person, I would say this is being done deliberately to divert the idiot British public's attention from more serious and important matters.
I've got a suggestion. Instead of trying to get compo money out of hospitals and TV licence payers, why don't the gropees all sue Rantzen?
She isn't short of a bob or two.
And I still want to know why the horrifying events in Rochdale and elsewhere, involving current, multiple abuse of the worst kind, is barely being mentioned while the nation is obsessed with GropeGate.
If I was a cynical person, I would say this is being done deliberately to divert the idiot British public's attention from more serious and important matters.
I've got a suggestion. Instead of trying to get compo money out of hospitals and TV licence payers, why don't the gropees all sue Rantzen?
She isn't short of a bob or two.
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Incidentally, I must admit to bursting into laughter at some hysteria-riddled taboid report last night.
Not only did Savile have a key to Broadmoor, he had a GOLD key. I still want to know what shy, retiring, girls (who later became blokes) who were doing in a prison for the criminally insane to begin with, when they were shyly watching telly in their nighties, but hey, let's not bother about details.
And - was Savile actually a clone? Were there really a dozen of him? Because he not only seems to have been Groping 24/7, the length and breadth of the British Isles, he was Groping in the Middle East as well, when he wasn't running the Israeli security services.
Does no-one in any kind of position of authority see anything in the least bit odd about any of this?
Can sane people sue Esther Rantzen for starting this collective insanity?
Not only did Savile have a key to Broadmoor, he had a GOLD key. I still want to know what shy, retiring, girls (who later became blokes) who were doing in a prison for the criminally insane to begin with, when they were shyly watching telly in their nighties, but hey, let's not bother about details.
And - was Savile actually a clone? Were there really a dozen of him? Because he not only seems to have been Groping 24/7, the length and breadth of the British Isles, he was Groping in the Middle East as well, when he wasn't running the Israeli security services.
Does no-one in any kind of position of authority see anything in the least bit odd about any of this?
Can sane people sue Esther Rantzen for starting this collective insanity?
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I now pronounce 95% of this a scam for compo.
If you go to the website of that woman's law firm:
http://www.rjw.co.uk/#axzz29B9uQQUA
you are greeted with:
If you have been affected by the Jimmy Saville scandal we have experts available to assist call 0800 916 9046
To see more visit: http://www.rjw.co.uk/#ixzz29BAPY7g5
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Well, I think everyone here has been affected, haven't they?
Personally, I never met the many-tentacled sex fiend, but I am starting to have nightmares about giant cigars with blonde wigs chasing females a la Benny Hill and shouting Howzabout that, then?
It's really distressing, but fifty grand would help me overcome my trauma.
If you go to the website of that woman's law firm:
http://www.rjw.co.uk/#axzz29B9uQQUA
you are greeted with:
If you have been affected by the Jimmy Saville scandal we have experts available to assist call 0800 916 9046
To see more visit: http://www.rjw.co.uk/#ixzz29BAPY7g5
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Well, I think everyone here has been affected, haven't they?
Personally, I never met the many-tentacled sex fiend, but I am starting to have nightmares about giant cigars with blonde wigs chasing females a la Benny Hill and shouting Howzabout that, then?
It's really distressing, but fifty grand would help me overcome my trauma.
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No doubt the media has also found out the sharks are circling, which is why the gropees are suddenly becoming 'victims' in quotes and the word alleged is finally being used.
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Good find, Bonny.
Follow the money........
Follow the money........
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Latest:
BBC News 13 October 2012 Last updated at 12:48
Jimmy Savile's tainted legacy
The Department of Health (DoH) is to investigate the decision to appoint Sir Jimmy Savile as head of a taskforce overseeing Broadmoor hospital in 1988.
It comes after the Sun reported claims he abused a 17-year-old patient on a visit to the psychiatric hospital in Berkshire as a fundraiser in the 1970s.
The DoH said the entertainer should not have been appointed.
Police have 340 lines of inquiry into sex abuse claims while the BBC is holding two inquiries.
'Hindsight'
The DoH has said it was to look at the role it had in appointing Savile to his post at Broadmoor. At the time it had responsibility for running the high security hospital but West London Mental Health NHS Trust has run the hospital since 2001.
A DoH spokesman said: "We will investigate the Department of Health's conduct in apparently appointing Savile to this role.
"Although the framework for child protection and safeguarding for Broadmoor and other special hospital patients changed radically in 1999, we of course want to establish the circumstances and see if any lessons can be learned.
"In hindsight he should very obviously not have been appointed. Had anyone involved in the appointment been aware of allegations of abuse against Savile, we would not have expected him to have been appointed."
The Guardian reported that Savile's appointment came after the hospital's management board was dismissed by then health secretary Ken Clarke.
Child abuse lawyer Liz Dux explains the grounds for a compensation case
However, Mr Clarke's special adviser said the Conservative MP, who was made health secretary in July 1988, had no recollection of this, and the appointment may not have been made when he was in his post.
A DoH spokesman, also quoted in the Guardian, said: "It is far from clear why any such role would have required possession of… a set of keys, we need to establish how he came to have them and on what basis."
The first BBC inquiry is into why a BBC Newsnight investigation into Savile, who died in October last year aged 84, was shelved last year. It will start straight away.
The other into whether culture and practice at the BBC at the time enabled Savile to carry out the sexual abuse of children will wait for police go-ahead.
Director general George Entwistle said the inquiries - commissioned by the BBC Executive Board - would be chaired by independent external experts, whose names would be announced next week.
Mr Entwistle also made an apology to the victims, adding: "The BBC will not avoid confronting the events of its past to understand what happened and to try to ensure that nothing of this kind can happen ever again at the BBC. "
'Absolutely impossible'
He also announced a third strand to the inquiries which will relate to sexual harassment at the BBC.
"Next week I will have news about how we will deal with allegations of sexual harassment. I will give you more details of this as soon as I have them. I remain confident our existing policies are working effectively to deal with any such problems today," he said.
Meanwhile, Conservative MP Rob Wilson said he written to the director general calling for an independent public inquiry into the dropping of Newsnight's investigation into Savile.
But in an interview on BBC Radio 4's Today Programme on Saturday, Sir Christopher Bland, chairman of the BBC board of governors from 1996 to 2001, said: "The rules of the BBC, the editorial independence... are so strong that the idea that the programme was pulled because of intervention from on high is, I believe, absolutely impossible, but that has to be confirmed."
The Metropolitan Police said it was now in contact with 40 potential victims of Savile and continued to liaise with 14 police forces. The Met has officially recorded 12 allegations of sexual offences but expects this number to grow.
In a separate development the University of Bedfordshire said Savile's honorary award from the University of Bedfordshire would be rescinded.
In a statement, the university said the award was made in 2009 "in recognition of his charitable fundraising" and was given "in good faith... without the knowledge of the current very serious allegations".
The BBC has learned some of the women making abuse claims may seek compensation from the BBC and from Stoke Mandeville Hospital.
Child abuse lawyer Liz Dux, who said she had been contacted by several of the women in the past few days, said: "The case would be against the BBC or the hospital because essentially they would be held vicariously liable in law for the acts of someone like Savile who was acting as their agent.
"That's particularly the case where they might have had suspicions about what was going on. Their duty of care is heightened if there was that degree of foreseeability."
The BBC said it would not be able to comment on the claims while the police investigation was ongoing.
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Child abuse lawyer Liz Dux, who said she had been contacted by several of the women in the past few days, said: "The case would be against the BBC or the hospital because essentially they would be held vicariously liable in law for the acts of someone like Savile who was acting as their agent.
"That's particularly the case where they might have had suspicions about what was going on. Their duty of care is heightened if there was that degree of foreseeability."
I'll bet she's been contacted, who could resist an ad like this?
And no doubt other ambulance-chasers will be getting in on the act.
"That's particularly the case where they might have had suspicions about what was going on. Their duty of care is heightened if there was that degree of foreseeability."
I'll bet she's been contacted, who could resist an ad like this?
And no doubt other ambulance-chasers will be getting in on the act.
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Oh, in the name....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2217004/Ill-forget-reek-cologne-Freddie-pounced-Shes-woman-testimony-triggered-Savile-scandal-Yet-Freddie-Starr--accused--says-Karin-fantasist.html
I am not surprised the Mail isn't accepting comments. The souffle is starting to collapse.
Did no-one check the background of any of the gropees before they broadcast that documentary and started this?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2217004/Ill-forget-reek-cologne-Freddie-pounced-Shes-woman-testimony-triggered-Savile-scandal-Yet-Freddie-Starr--accused--says-Karin-fantasist.html
I am not surprised the Mail isn't accepting comments. The souffle is starting to collapse.
Did no-one check the background of any of the gropees before they broadcast that documentary and started this?
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Indeed. Reading that, I am amazed at what a fine upstanding member of society she is - NOT!! Kids by various fathers, in prison, approved schools .... doesn't read at all good, does it? Maybe she can't afford to pay her mortgage? Just wondering, not accusing. LLbb1 wrote:Oh, in the name....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2217004/Ill-forget-reek-cologne-Freddie-pounced-Shes-woman-testimony-triggered-Savile-scandal-Yet-Freddie-Starr--accused--says-Karin-fantasist.html
I am not surprised the Mail isn't accepting comments. The souffle is starting to collapse.
Did no-one check the background of any of the gropees before they broadcast that documentary and started this?
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What, LL? Surely you don't think that there is the slightest chance of someone who has done time for cheque fraud making up bullsh*t about a dead bloke for money, or publicity for her book?
And why does she apparently keep crossing Savile's path? Was she stalking him or something?
I can see Freddie Starr's lawyers taking her to the cleaners.
If there was a genuine need for some matters to be investigated - which may well be the case - then the documentary-makers should have taken it all to the police, instead of starting this hysterical witch-hunt.
William-Thomas and Rantzen can foot the bill and pay compo to the gropees, I see no reason why either the taxpayer or the licence-payer should hand over a penny.
And why does she apparently keep crossing Savile's path? Was she stalking him or something?
I can see Freddie Starr's lawyers taking her to the cleaners.
If there was a genuine need for some matters to be investigated - which may well be the case - then the documentary-makers should have taken it all to the police, instead of starting this hysterical witch-hunt.
William-Thomas and Rantzen can foot the bill and pay compo to the gropees, I see no reason why either the taxpayer or the licence-payer should hand over a penny.
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Jimmy Savile was presented with an Token, Gold Plated Key to the Main Double Doors of Broadmoor for which he had raised funds to replace. There is no evidence that this Key worked, and he couldn't have got in without permission anyway.
So far, Jimmy Savile has not admitted to any of these allegations. But both The BBC and Stoke Mandeville certainly appear to have been aware of them while they were going on. Best Sue them then.
Ho Ho. There must be a lot of people who are wishing they had kept their mouths shut.
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